So it is 4pm on the 8th June here and still no Sonos S2 update. Hmmmmm.
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The new “Group” thing is the only new thing i found.
But you still can’t use the Group for an alarm :(
On Android if the app hasn't updated automatically you need to go to the app store, go to the Sonos app and you will find you can update manually.
Is this update out? My iOS app updated to Sonos S1 and it updated my speakers to what looks to be S1 OS. I have a Playbar, Sub (Gen2), and two Sonos Ones as surrounds so everything should be able to update.
BTW, I don’t see the S2 app in the Apple App store.
Hi. I’m just wondering if I can update 2 of my S2 compatible speakers (Play 1’s) to S2 for use in a bedroom and keep my 2 Play 3’s on S1 to group with with my 2 gen 1 Play 5’s in a bigger room?
Yes, you can. For operating a split system, and how to set it up, see this article on split systems.
Hi. I’m just wondering if I can update 2 of my S2 compatible speakers (Play 1’s) to S2 for use in a bedroom and keep my 2 Play 3’s on S1 to group with with my 2 gen 1 Play 5’s in a bigger room?
I understand the splitting of S1 and S2 systems. I also understand that restoring a system to Factory settings does not restore the OS to as it was when it left the factory.
That does not answer how Sonos have chosen to deal with speakers that are compatible with both OS's - we are in a different world now with two separate software streams - I don't think viewing S2 as an upgrade is necessarily right - it's a different OS and technically I imagine it could be made that when you add a new device to S1 it could install whatever it wants - these devices have more space than previous ones and could make use of this space. If they don't that is a conscious decision, not a technical one.
Sonos have rolled out an new OS but don't appear to be in hand to answer these questions - and have chosen not to answer them over the last weeks too.
I have dBpoweramp Music Converter for windows. I think it is the same, but i dont know how to set it up to convert from 24/96 to 24/48. Can you help me?
Use the dBpoweramp Music Converter, set to convert from FLAC to FLAC, then add the Resample DSP Effect and set the frequency to 48 KHz.
FYI, I checked Roon with 24/48 and 24/96, it is down sampled to 16 bits, maybe Roon needs to make adjustments in a newer software release.
Yep, I noticed the same thing, and I’m hoping it’s just a roon update that’s needed. It sounds like people are seeing up to 24/48 but not 24/96+ through the Sonos app, so that’s a good sign (hopefully).
I made a test. I put in my local library a 24/48 file and was played without issues. I put a 24/96 file as well and was not even possible to see it as a file in Sonos. So, I will update my Sonos library to make all my files 24/48
Can you tell me how you update your Sonos library to make all yours files 24/48?
Manually with dBpoweramp Music Converter for Mac. To be honest, I have few hi res music, so it was not a big issue for me. I have a raspberry pi 4 with Samba for Sonos, only with music that can be played with Sonos, and a NUC with all hi res music for Roon. Hope that works
I have dBpoweramp Music Converter for windows. I think it is the same, but i dont know how to set it up to convert from 24/96 to 24/48. Can you help me?
FYI, I checked Roon with 24/48 and 24/96, it is down sampled to 16 bits, maybe Roon needs to make adjustments in a newer software release.
Yep, I noticed the same thing, and I’m hoping it’s just a roon update that’s needed. It sounds like people are seeing up to 24/48 but not 24/96+ through the Sonos app, so that’s a good sign (hopefully).
I made a test. I put in my local library a 24/48 file and was played without issues. I put a 24/96 file as well and was not even possible to see it as a file in Sonos. So, I will update my Sonos library to make all my files 24/48
Can you tell me how you update your Sonos library to make all yours files 24/48?
Manually with dBpoweramp Music Converter for Mac. To be honest, I have few hi res music, so it was not a big issue for me. I have a raspberry pi 4 with Samba for Sonos, only with music that can be played with Sonos, and a NUC with all hi res music for Roon. Hope that works
As mentioned above had issues “updating” so uninstalled the controller app and then the download gave me the 12 version of the controller
https://support.sonos.com/s/downloads?language=en_US
FYI, I checked Roon with 24/48 and 24/96, it is down sampled to 16 bits, maybe Roon needs to make adjustments in a newer software release.
Yep, I noticed the same thing, and I’m hoping it’s just a roon update that’s needed. It sounds like people are seeing up to 24/48 but not 24/96+ through the Sonos app, so that’s a good sign (hopefully).
I made a test. I put in my local library a 24/48 file and was played without issues. I put a 24/96 file as well and was not even possible to see it as a file in Sonos. So, I will update my Sonos library to make all my files 24/48
Can you tell me how you update your Sonos library to make all yours files 24/48?
That settles it for now then. If streaming services remain 16 bit I'll stay all on one system and use Bubble upnp with HEOS if I want to stream in Hires. Cd quality streaming does sound excellent on existing players so it would be an experimental bonus for me and not worth the hassle. If all my players were modern I would probably consider it.
FYI, I checked Roon with 24/48 and 24/96, it is down sampled to 16 bits, maybe Roon needs to make adjustments in a newer software release.
Yep, I noticed the same thing, and I’m hoping it’s just a roon update that’s needed. It sounds like people are seeing up to 24/48 but not 24/96+ through the Sonos app, so that’s a good sign (hopefully).
I made a test. I put in my local library a 24/48 file and was played without issues. I put a 24/96 file as well and was not even possible to see it as a file in Sonos. So, I will update my Sonos library to make all my files 24/48
FYI, I checked Roon with 24/48 and 24/96, it is down sampled to 16 bits, maybe Roon needs to make adjustments in a newer software release.
Yep, I noticed the same thing, and I’m hoping it’s just a roon update that’s needed. It sounds like people are seeing up to 24/48 but not 24/96+ through the Sonos app, so that’s a good sign (hopefully).
From the official post:
“With S2, Sonos speakers now have support for high resolution audio, 24-bit, 44.1/48kHz for FLAC/ALAC only. This support is for local music libraries shared from computers and network attached drives.“
Interesting to see how this applies to Roon?
FYI, I checked Roon with 24/48 and 24/96, it is down sampled to 16 bits, maybe Roon needs to make adjustments in a newer software release.
Yep, I noticed the same thing, and I’m hoping it’s just a roon update that’s needed. It sounds like people are seeing up to 24/48 but not 24/96+ through the Sonos app, so that’s a good sign (hopefully).
Here is an excerpt from Sonos web page, so I stand by what I said before:
”In addition to new features, usability updates, and more personalization moving forward, Sonos S2 enables higher resolution audio technologies for music and home theater.”
In fact is says S2 enables, it didn’t say will enable. And I still believe Sonos tried to make a hype by being cryptic, and that let ME down in terms of MY own thoughts. I am responsible for thinking I would get what I didn’t get, and I make responsible Sonos for not being clear in their web page.
My apologies, I missed that. However, higher resolution support is also in the S2 release, just like the grouping feature. Still not seeing any significant lack of concrete discussion.
Agree, as I said before, I’m a very happy Sonos user here.
FYI, I checked Roon with 24/48 and 24/96, it is down sampled to 16 bits, maybe Roon needs to make adjustments in a newer software release. I was wondering if Sonos S2 would be supported by Roon (because it seems its a new platform entirely), but I am happy that Roon still keeps playing music to Sonos.
I like a lot of people have two libraries, one with hi res files for Roon, and another one with Sonos compatibility.
Let’s wait for more to come from Sonos, and happy listening!
Here is an excerpt from Sonos web page, so I stand by what I said before:
”In addition to new features, usability updates, and more personalization moving forward, Sonos S2 enables higher resolution audio technologies for music and home theater.”
In fact is says S2 enables, it didn’t say will enable. And I still believe Sonos tried to make a hype by being cryptic, and that let ME down in terms of MY own thoughts. I am responsible for thinking I would get what I didn’t get, and I make responsible Sonos for not being clear in their web page.
My apologies, I missed that. However, higher resolution support is also in the S2 release, just like the grouping feature. Still not seeing any significant lack of concrete discussion.
Maybe the higher bandwidth is only for Dolby, not hi res music. I just upgraded to S2 and of course I am disappointed on my own thoughts that this would make a totally different product and we would be able to listen to hi res music, but it was all in my head. Am I angry at Sonos? NO, I love all the products Ihave and all my house is Sonos. But my dreams are shattered at the moment. I will convert some files to 24/48 to see if I can play them. I like the new GUI more than the previous one!
Created a second Sonos account to use the S1 controller and setup that. To be safe put the S1 system on a second Wifi SSID. It is a shame you can’t use the same account on S1 and S2 but other than that can’t really complain.
You can use the same account. Also, you don’t need to use a different SSID.
In a split scenario the S1 and S2 systems have different HouseholdIDs.
When i tried to setup a new system in the S1 app it would not let me as the account was the same. I didn’t say the SSID was necessary, just felt as I could I would.
If you’d reset the S1 app and the desired players it would have let you create a new system.
Its not what they do or don't promise that winds me up it's that they don't specify clearly what the new specs are and you end up not really knowing either way and relying on forum chat. If a feature is not in it then it's not in it, fair enough. Just say the new system on release will have the following features: 1,2,3,4 etc. These may follow in the future. I think that is a reasonable expectation when trying to make an irreversible decision.
I am not suggesting it can run both. Definitely not. It wil only be visible in one of them. I just want to know if having a speaker on S2 means it can never then be used back in your S1 system.
How Sonos dealt with this in the past is not necessarily the same - I don't see switching as an upgrade/downgrade scenario - just moving a speaker that is compatible with both OS's between them.
It’s NOT possible to switch between S1 and S2 at will. You’ll have to make your mind up whether you want to migrate to S2 or not.
Completely wrong and verified by ratty. An S1/S2 compatible speaker can mover from S1 to S2 and back again.
As you have stated this as fact in many places though, maybe you will correct it to avoid confusion?
I’ve been told otherwise by Sonos support. We’ll see. To be accurate, I’ve been told that it is not possible to perform a downgrade from S2 to S1.
From: https://support.sonos.com/s/article/4845?language=en_US
Is this process reversible?
No, once products have upgraded to S2, they cannot be downgraded back to S1 or added to an S1 system. Make sure you want to create a split system before following this process.
Reverting players is in the release notes.
'Is this process reversible?
No, once products have upgraded to S2, they cannot be downgraded back to S1 or added to an S1 system. Make sure you want to create a split system before following this process.'
This doesn’t square with what’s possible today. I’ll leave
Reverting players is in the release notes.
'Is this process reversible?
No, once products have upgraded to S2, they cannot be downgraded back to S1 or added to an S1 system. Make sure you want to create a split system before following this process.'
If I have a system I am happy with and want to create a new separate S2 system, the instructions seem to suggest the S1 components will all be factory reset - which really means I lose all of the Playlists etc. I've used on that system for years? Surely splitting off doesn't necessitate losing everything on the older devices? I don't mind resetting one device as there will still be another with the settings etc.
There.must be a process of creating an S2 system without completely trashing your S1 side???? Switching S1 products off while doing the change to S2?
Created a second Sonos account to use the S1 controller and setup that. To be safe put the S1 system on a second Wifi SSID. It is a shame you can’t use the same account on S1 and S2 but other than that can’t really complain.
You can use the same account. Also, you don’t need to use a different SSID.
In a split scenario the S1 and S2 systems have different HouseholdIDs.
When i tried to setup a new system in the S1 app it would not let me as the account was the same. I didn’t say the SSID was necessary, just felt as I could I would.
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