So it is 4pm on the 8th June here and still no Sonos S2 update. Hmmmmm.
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Note that the s1 updates first and then you can get the s2 if you have no incompatible gen one devices ….even if not plugged in. I had to click a button to forget about my old speakers after I logged into my account.
what hi res service are you using?
The 24 bit files I’m playing are stored locally.
Not playing my local hi-res 24-bit/96kHz files - “Unsupported”
You’ve assumed that all 24 bit files are 96Khz. I said earlier that 48Khz was still the limit there.
In the UK here, iOS controller. Mainly Modern Products other than a Play:5 which I have used as a trade in for the new Arc 5.1.2 setup (which has not arrived yet).
I have to say I’ve been watching and reading up on what was going to happen here with regards to S2 and although a bit miffed about the Play:5, I’ve been waiting for a new soundbar so the £600 saving I got with the “trade in” suited me and also I have just plugged an old Alexa Dot into the Play:5 with the intention of it being a standalone smart speaker.
Updated everything this morning to S2, worked exactly as expected once I dropped the Play:5 off the setup. Created a second Sonos account to use the S1 controller and setup that. To be safe put the S1 system on a second Wifi SSID. It is a shame you can’t use the same account on S1 and S2 but other than that can’t really complain.
Sonos wound me up with the deprecating of the Play:5 but made it up to me by allowing this multi system setup and the “trade in”. It also seems to me they’ve done everything they said with this update, not sure why people are whinging about supporting hi res music, it was never promised in the new release.
Reverting players is in the release notes.
'Is this process reversible?
No, once products have upgraded to S2, they cannot be downgraded back to S1 or added to an S1 system. Make sure you want to create a split system before following this process.'
Reverting players is in the release notes.
'Is this process reversible?
No, once products have upgraded to S2, they cannot be downgraded back to S1 or added to an S1 system. Make sure you want to create a split system before following this process.'
This doesn’t square with what’s possible today. I’ll leave
Created a second Sonos account to use the S1 controller and setup that. To be safe put the S1 system on a second Wifi SSID. It is a shame you can’t use the same account on S1 and S2 but other than that can’t really complain.
You can use the same account. Also, you don’t need to use a different SSID.
In a split scenario the S1 and S2 systems have different HouseholdIDs.
When i tried to setup a new system in the S1 app it would not let me as the account was the same. I didn’t say the SSID was necessary, just felt as I could I would.
Maybe the higher bandwidth is only for Dolby, not hi res music. I just upgraded to S2 and of course I am disappointed on my own thoughts that this would make a totally different product and we would be able to listen to hi res music, but it was all in my head. Am I angry at Sonos? NO, I love all the products Ihave and all my house is Sonos. But my dreams are shattered at the moment. I will convert some files to 24/48 to see if I can play them. I like the new GUI more than the previous one!
I am not suggesting it can run both. Definitely not. It wil only be visible in one of them. I just want to know if having a speaker on S2 means it can never then be used back in your S1 system.
How Sonos dealt with this in the past is not necessarily the same - I don't see switching as an upgrade/downgrade scenario - just moving a speaker that is compatible with both OS's between them.
It’s NOT possible to switch between S1 and S2 at will. You’ll have to make your mind up whether you want to migrate to S2 or not.
Completely wrong and verified by ratty. An S1/S2 compatible speaker can mover from S1 to S2 and back again.
As you have stated this as fact in many places though, maybe you will correct it to avoid confusion?
I’ve been told otherwise by Sonos support. We’ll see. To be accurate, I’ve been told that it is not possible to perform a downgrade from S2 to S1.
From: https://support.sonos.com/s/article/4845?language=en_US
Is this process reversible?
No, once products have upgraded to S2, they cannot be downgraded back to S1 or added to an S1 system. Make sure you want to create a split system before following this process.
Its not what they do or don't promise that winds me up it's that they don't specify clearly what the new specs are and you end up not really knowing either way and relying on forum chat. If a feature is not in it then it's not in it, fair enough. Just say the new system on release will have the following features: 1,2,3,4 etc. These may follow in the future. I think that is a reasonable expectation when trying to make an irreversible decision.
Created a second Sonos account to use the S1 controller and setup that. To be safe put the S1 system on a second Wifi SSID. It is a shame you can’t use the same account on S1 and S2 but other than that can’t really complain.
You can use the same account. Also, you don’t need to use a different SSID.
In a split scenario the S1 and S2 systems have different HouseholdIDs.
When i tried to setup a new system in the S1 app it would not let me as the account was the same. I didn’t say the SSID was necessary, just felt as I could I would.
If you’d reset the S1 app and the desired players it would have let you create a new system.
If I have a system I am happy with and want to create a new separate S2 system, the instructions seem to suggest the S1 components will all be factory reset - which really means I lose all of the Playlists etc. I've used on that system for years? Surely splitting off doesn't necessitate losing everything on the older devices? I don't mind resetting one device as there will still be another with the settings etc.
There.must be a process of creating an S2 system without completely trashing your S1 side???? Switching S1 products off while doing the change to S2?
If I have a system I am happy with and want to create a new separate S2 system, the instructions seem to suggest the S1 components will all be factory reset - which really means I lose all of the Playlists etc. I've used on that system for years? Surely splitting off doesn't necessitate losing everything on the older devices? I don't mind resetting one device as there will still be another with the settings etc.
There.must be a process of creating an S2 system without completely trashing your S1 side???? Switching S1 products off while doing the change to S2?
No. One or other group of players needs to be reset, in order to create a new system. The way the article has been written it’s assumed the S1 units will be reset, either using the removal tool or manually.
Switching off S1 products during the S2 update will just leave some incompatible either way. The S2 controller will want to update the S1 units (if it can) and the S1 controller will want to downgrade the S2 units (if it can).
Its not what they do or don't promise that winds me up it's that they don't specify clearly what the new specs are and you end up not really knowing either way and relying on forum chat. If a feature is not in it then it's not in it, fair enough. Just say the new system on release will have the following features: 1,2,3,4 etc. These may follow in the future. I think that is a reasonable expectation when trying to make an irreversible decision.
I think their Marketing guys are not the sharpest, starting with the brick situation to the fact that trying not to commit by releasing anything clear, they tried to make a hype that was not worth. Just as you said, if a feature is not in the app, so be it, I’m happy with the product, but they are at fault by not describing anything concrete, especially now that S2 has launched
Well S2 is boring. Maybe that is the reason they did not release any previews. I guess if one has one or more of the latest devices requiring s2 it is exciting. Not sure the interface is an improvement so far, need more time for a final.
A list of one then. So be it.
I was going to plug 2 connects into the hifi. One for grouping S1 and one solely S2 for hires Qubuz if I wanted to try it. Not sure I can see the point now unless I know what I'm getting. Not sure I want to reset 5 other just for that anyway. Might just stay S1 for now.
To update on Android:
FIRST you have to update the existing Sonos app from the Play Store. It updates the app to be called Sonos S1.
NEXT you have to Check for Updates under System / System Updates
Your system will then update to 11.2.
NEXT, go to System and you should see System Tools either there or under System Updates.
This prompts you to check for S2 compatibility. If your system is S2 compatible, it will prompt you to update to S2, which starts with a new app from the Play Store (which you won't find with a search).
Once you have the new Sonos app installed, log in and go to System Updates again to update your system to S2.
Then delete the S1 app if you have no requirement for it.
I have i0S, not Android -but it worked by doing it backwards, S2 first. I didn’t understand why the update at first took me to S1, so I searched on the iOS app and found the S2 app. Downloaded that and it worked fine immediately with my 3 Sonos Ones. I then noticed that when I closed the S2 app it was telling me my Sonos Ones needed an update. It then updated the original Sonos app to S1. Told me my components were compatible with S2 though and I should/could only use that. I then simply deleted the S1 app. So it looks like you can first install S2 (as opposed to updating to S1 first).
I think their Marketing guys are not the sharpest, starting with the brick situation to the fact that trying not to commit by releasing anything clear, they tried to make a hype that was not worth. Just as you said, if a feature is not in the app, so be it, I’m happy with the product, but they are at fault by not describing anything concrete, especially now that S2 has launched
Actually, the only concrete feature discussed was the grouping feature, which is in the current release. Everything else was speculation by posters here. Are we really going to hold Sonos to be responsible for not addressing every item the posters on here dream up?
Here is an excerpt from Sonos web page, so I stand by what I said before:
”In addition to new features, usability updates, and more personalization moving forward, Sonos S2 enables higher resolution audio technologies for music and home theater.”
In fact it says S2 enables, it didn’t say will enable. And I still believe Sonos tried to make a hype by being cryptic, and that let ME down in terms of MY own thoughts. I am responsible for thinking I would get what I didn’t get, and I make responsible Sonos for not being clear in their web page.
Here is an excerpt from Sonos web page, so I stand by what I said before:
”In addition to new features, usability updates, and more personalization moving forward, Sonos S2 enables higher resolution audio technologies for music and home theater.”
In fact is says S2 enables, it didn’t say will enable. And I still believe Sonos tried to make a hype by being cryptic, and that let ME down in terms of MY own thoughts. I am responsible for thinking I would get what I didn’t get, and I make responsible Sonos for not being clear in their web page.
My apologies, I missed that. However, higher resolution support is also in the S2 release, just like the grouping feature. Still not seeing any significant lack of concrete discussion.
Here is an excerpt from Sonos web page, so I stand by what I said before:
”In addition to new features, usability updates, and more personalization moving forward, Sonos S2 enables higher resolution audio technologies for music and home theater.”
In fact is says S2 enables, it didn’t say will enable. And I still believe Sonos tried to make a hype by being cryptic, and that let ME down in terms of MY own thoughts. I am responsible for thinking I would get what I didn’t get, and I make responsible Sonos for not being clear in their web page.
My apologies, I missed that. However, higher resolution support is also in the S2 release, just like the grouping feature. Still not seeing any significant lack of concrete discussion.
Agree, as I said before, I’m a very happy Sonos user here.
FYI, I checked Roon with 24/48 and 24/96, it is down sampled to 16 bits, maybe Roon needs to make adjustments in a newer software release. I was wondering if Sonos S2 would be supported by Roon (because it seems its a new platform entirely), but I am happy that Roon still keeps playing music to Sonos.
I like a lot of people have two libraries, one with hi res files for Roon, and another one with Sonos compatibility.
Let’s wait for more to come from Sonos, and happy listening!
FYI, I checked Roon with 24/48 and 24/96, it is down sampled to 16 bits, maybe Roon needs to make adjustments in a newer software release.
Yep, I noticed the same thing, and I’m hoping it’s just a roon update that’s needed. It sounds like people are seeing up to 24/48 but not 24/96+ through the Sonos app, so that’s a good sign (hopefully).
FYI, I checked Roon with 24/48 and 24/96, it is down sampled to 16 bits, maybe Roon needs to make adjustments in a newer software release.
Yep, I noticed the same thing, and I’m hoping it’s just a roon update that’s needed. It sounds like people are seeing up to 24/48 but not 24/96+ through the Sonos app, so that’s a good sign (hopefully).
From the official post:
“With S2, Sonos speakers now have support for high resolution audio, 24-bit, 44.1/48kHz for FLAC/ALAC only. This support is for local music libraries shared from computers and network attached drives.“
Interesting to see how this applies to Roon?
FYI, I checked Roon with 24/48 and 24/96, it is down sampled to 16 bits, maybe Roon needs to make adjustments in a newer software release.
Yep, I noticed the same thing, and I’m hoping it’s just a roon update that’s needed. It sounds like people are seeing up to 24/48 but not 24/96+ through the Sonos app, so that’s a good sign (hopefully).
I made a test. I put in my local library a 24/48 file and was played without issues. I put a 24/96 file as well and was not even possible to see it as a file in Sonos. So, I will update my Sonos library to make all my files 24/48
That settles it for now then. If streaming services remain 16 bit I'll stay all on one system and use Bubble upnp with HEOS if I want to stream in Hires. Cd quality streaming does sound excellent on existing players so it would be an experimental bonus for me and not worth the hassle. If all my players were modern I would probably consider it.
FYI, I checked Roon with 24/48 and 24/96, it is down sampled to 16 bits, maybe Roon needs to make adjustments in a newer software release.
Yep, I noticed the same thing, and I’m hoping it’s just a roon update that’s needed. It sounds like people are seeing up to 24/48 but not 24/96+ through the Sonos app, so that’s a good sign (hopefully).
I made a test. I put in my local library a 24/48 file and was played without issues. I put a 24/96 file as well and was not even possible to see it as a file in Sonos. So, I will update my Sonos library to make all my files 24/48
Can you tell me how you update your Sonos library to make all yours files 24/48?
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