Hi there,
Since upgrading to 3.1 my cr200 has become unresponsive in certain parts of the scree. For example if i try and adjust the treble in the music equalisation screen I cant move the slider. If I try and slide up and down using the A-Z slider at the RHS of my music index it stutters at E and jumps to M. I have contacted Sonos who suggested that I reset the controller but to know avail. Any ideas?
Frazer
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It is possible that many or most of the affected units were shipped to the EU or the Britts are a whiney bunch that expect things to work!
Each model tends to have a characteristic failure mode(s) that could change over time. For someone very familiar with model 'x', all a customer needs do do is mention the model number and the service staff already knows what is wrong -- without hearing the symptoms. This does not mean that all of model 'x' will break, but those that do, have the same issue.
I don't know exactly what the root cause of the CR200 failure is. Since it requires some time to develop, this could be due to some sort of surface contamination issue. At a certain production step, the raw screen, a PC board, or connector could go through some sort of cleaning or surface preparation process that was not working uniformly and a contamination film is left behind -- in a characteristic spot that affects the lower areas of the screen. Initially the screen or whatever is not affected, but after a while it takes on some moisture and things go down hill.
I've seen liquid spills behave this way. A sugary drink enters a unit and seems to dry and the unit works fine -- for a while. Over time the sugar takes on some water from the atmosphere and acids form. The acids are erratically conductive and they can eventually consume metal parts. A single drop can bring a unit down months after the spill has been forgotten.
Each model tends to have a characteristic failure mode(s) that could change over time. For someone very familiar with model 'x', all a customer needs do do is mention the model number and the service staff already knows what is wrong -- without hearing the symptoms. This does not mean that all of model 'x' will break, but those that do, have the same issue.
I don't know exactly what the root cause of the CR200 failure is. Since it requires some time to develop, this could be due to some sort of surface contamination issue. At a certain production step, the raw screen, a PC board, or connector could go through some sort of cleaning or surface preparation process that was not working uniformly and a contamination film is left behind -- in a characteristic spot that affects the lower areas of the screen. Initially the screen or whatever is not affected, but after a while it takes on some moisture and things go down hill.
I've seen liquid spills behave this way. A sugary drink enters a unit and seems to dry and the unit works fine -- for a while. Over time the sugar takes on some water from the atmosphere and acids form. The acids are erratically conductive and they can eventually consume metal parts. A single drop can bring a unit down months after the spill has been forgotten.
I have to agree with Buzz. I've just received my fourth unit, with no hassle whatsoever. I guess I could be very annoyed at having three units fail on me but I'm actually very impressed with how well Sonos have handled things.
Remember that Sonos will have sold thousands of these controllers but that people having no problems don't tend to resort to the forums so this thread only represents a small proportion of customers.
It is a bit odd that all my failed screens have been a row up from the bottom right though.
Remember that Sonos will have sold thousands of these controllers but that people having no problems don't tend to resort to the forums so this thread only represents a small proportion of customers.
It is a bit odd that all my failed screens have been a row up from the bottom right though.
A manufacturer shows its true mettle by the way it handles problems such as this.
I totally agree with what you have stated. That being said and after reading all of the posts made in this thread it just seemed that the majority of the complaints concerning the defective screens on the CR200's were from users in the UK.
Therefore curious minds would like to know how prevalent the issue is for CR200's sold in the US.
NYC Guy,
Manufacturers are loath to share reliability data with anyone. This thread is much like a hospital -- after the tour one is certain that "everyone" is sick. Unfortunately, one cannot know much about the general population simply by walking through the hospital wards. Also, we could point to a particular social function, restaurant, building, or block where almost everyone is afflicted with a common illness, but this still does not say much about the general population. This particular issue seems to be a characteristic of a particular batch of units, but we don't know what percentage of this batch is at risk.
Little and big glitches can happen to any manufacturer. Most of us are probably aware of a recent issue with a certain cellphone. Millions of units are affected and continue to be affected. Was the manufacturer's response reasonable? It is an interesting case because millions of units continue to be sold to willing customers who are aware of the issue prior purchase.
A manufacturer shows its true mettle by the way it handles problems such as this.
Manufacturers are loath to share reliability data with anyone. This thread is much like a hospital -- after the tour one is certain that "everyone" is sick. Unfortunately, one cannot know much about the general population simply by walking through the hospital wards. Also, we could point to a particular social function, restaurant, building, or block where almost everyone is afflicted with a common illness, but this still does not say much about the general population. This particular issue seems to be a characteristic of a particular batch of units, but we don't know what percentage of this batch is at risk.
Little and big glitches can happen to any manufacturer. Most of us are probably aware of a recent issue with a certain cellphone. Millions of units are affected and continue to be affected. Was the manufacturer's response reasonable? It is an interesting case because millions of units continue to be sold to willing customers who are aware of the issue prior purchase.
A manufacturer shows its true mettle by the way it handles problems such as this.
I am really curious as to what percentage of the CR200's which have developed the dead spots happened to purchasers located in the UK? Another poster earlier in this multi page thread asked the exact same thing.
Perhaps we should start a poll on this?
I ordered my CR200 in December from Amazon and I am in the US. Has anyone else who ordered from Amazon experienced this issue?
Perhaps we should start a poll on this?
I ordered my CR200 in December from Amazon and I am in the US. Has anyone else who ordered from Amazon experienced this issue?
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Thanks Ratty. I've done that.
Contact Sonos Support directly. It would help if you sent a system diagnostic first, with the CR200 awake. That way they will have your customer details and the CR200 serial number. Note the diag reference and quote it in the support ticket.
The replacement process should in no way be arduous. Their support activities are generally smooth and friendly.
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My CR200 has also started playing up in the last week or so. The bottom zone of the screen, particularly the right hand side, is not responding to touch control. This is really annoying as that is where the most important controls are.
I wasn't aware of the problem before, but then I discovered this thread and find that it seems to have been going on for a while, even though it is repeatedly said that it only effects a "small" number of controllers.
Worryingly, I've read that Sonos emailed all customers whose serial numbers fall in the effected range, but I did not get the message. Maybe the problem is even more widespread that Sonos realise?
The CR200 came in a BU250 bundle I bought from Audio-T less than a year ago, so I've reported the problem to them and am waiting for a reply. I had hoped that they would replace it themselves but, reading this thread, I guess that I'll have to deal directly with Sonos themselves. Hopefully that won't be too arduous.
I've been really happy with my Sonos kit; I hope this isn't the thin end of the wedge for long-term reliability.
I wasn't aware of the problem before, but then I discovered this thread and find that it seems to have been going on for a while, even though it is repeatedly said that it only effects a "small" number of controllers.
Worryingly, I've read that Sonos emailed all customers whose serial numbers fall in the effected range, but I did not get the message. Maybe the problem is even more widespread that Sonos realise?
The CR200 came in a BU250 bundle I bought from Audio-T less than a year ago, so I've reported the problem to them and am waiting for a reply. I had hoped that they would replace it themselves but, reading this thread, I guess that I'll have to deal directly with Sonos themselves. Hopefully that won't be too arduous.
I've been really happy with my Sonos kit; I hope this isn't the thin end of the wedge for long-term reliability.
Not of merchantable quality! Sold my third one as soon as it arrived.
Buy an Fourth Generation Ipod Touch - much more useful for the money.
There goes number three!!! I barely use the thing so am baffled as to what causes it. I wonder if a CR300 is due any time soon?
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Having a problem in the first place was annoying, but Sonos certainly looked after me well. Thank you
I guess that's good news. I bought mine just 4 months ago, would not have been used more than about 20 or 30 times, as I prefer the 100 controller, and as of yesterday when I was showing off the system to friends, the row above the bottom menu line stopped responding. So no pause, forward or back buttons etc. As all of you, I am not impressed at all, and the fact that I was talking up the quality of sonos products and their reliabilty, I am now felling very let down - even more so reading all these issues. Guess that's what happens when you ship your production into the caves of some Asian country!
Such a shame Sonos.
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Hi
As expected the 2nd of my 2 cr200 controllers failed last week
Again the lower part of the screen became unresponsive. It lasted about the same lentgh of time as the first(approx 10months light use)
Sonos have been very efficient in exchanging it with no fuss at all.
So I now have 2 new controllers swapped out within 6months of eachother with the remaining 9months of the extended warranty to expire.
Here's hoping they will last a lot longer than the originals!
ATB
FB
As expected the 2nd of my 2 cr200 controllers failed last week
Again the lower part of the screen became unresponsive. It lasted about the same lentgh of time as the first(approx 10months light use)
Sonos have been very efficient in exchanging it with no fuss at all.
So I now have 2 new controllers swapped out within 6months of eachother with the remaining 9months of the extended warranty to expire.
Here's hoping they will last a lot longer than the originals!
ATB
FB
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See other sufferers in this thread. Your best bet is to contact Sonos Support.
Thank you. My controller was lazy from the day I started using it. Wouldn't call the lower button area dead, just that it can take between 5 and 10 presses before the selection is activates sometimes. Other times it works ok. Still like Sonos a LOT!!
-Gregory
Gregory,
See other sufferers in this thread. Your best bet is to contact Sonos Support.
See other sufferers in this thread. Your best bet is to contact Sonos Support.
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Have ZP90 & CR200 for 1-1/2 months (maybe longer) and like it a lot. The lower touch sensitive area (lower row-button) doesn't respond well to touch. Many times it needs to be pressed 5, 6, even 10 times before the function will actuate. I try pushing with finger, thumb, sideways, etc. and the lower button isn't working. Help!
-Gregory
-Gregory
The new controller arrived promptly, and without dramas.
Having a problem in the first place was annoying, but Sonos certainly looked after me well. Thank you
Having a problem in the first place was annoying, but Sonos certainly looked after me well. Thank you
Yes, I called the Sonos representative in Australia and they said much the same: send it back and they would assess it for re-replacement. They seemed to know about the problem and implied that I must have been unlucky to get a replacement from the same faulty batch, before they know which units were affected.
Now I just have to wait
Now I just have to wait
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HI
I have had 2 controllers replaced without quibble due to dead spot in exactly same place each time, it was the line on the screen above the action bar, hardware fault and sonos have extended the warrenty to 24 months from purchase date. Not convinced it has been resolved, have written to CEO asking for assurances but no reply as yet. Just send it back through the right channels and claim a new one if within 2 years of purchase
I have had 2 controllers replaced without quibble due to dead spot in exactly same place each time, it was the line on the screen above the action bar, hardware fault and sonos have extended the warrenty to 24 months from purchase date. Not convinced it has been resolved, have written to CEO asking for assurances but no reply as yet. Just send it back through the right channels and claim a new one if within 2 years of purchase
I can't compete with your record of three, but have just hit two. Sonos very efficiently replaced a faulty CR200 for me back in April but now that unit is playing up. This time it is a large section, the entire top right 3/4 of the screen. I have tried reseting, removing the battery etc. I barely use the thing, I generally listen whilst using my laptop so use the controller on that, so it is definitely not through abuse. I guess I will be calling Sonos again tomorrow and seeing if they can repeat their great customer service.
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Well here we go again. See my thread on 19th August. Controller number 3 has developed the dreaded dead spot. This time at the bottom of the screen and all in less than one year. Is this a record?
I cannot believe that Sonos keep sending these rubbish devices out, especially when they are aware of them. Prior to receiving the third unit I specifically asked them if the problem had been resolved, only to get the corporate reply 'we are not aware of any problems'. Followed by the two year warranty email - at least that was a big plus for Sonos.
I should have guessed if I got the email I had a suspect unit (why did they send a possible suspect unit out - did they hope it might be okay). Let's hope that when this one is replaced it's from a new better batch.
I cannot believe that Sonos keep sending these rubbish devices out, especially when they are aware of them. Prior to receiving the third unit I specifically asked them if the problem had been resolved, only to get the corporate reply 'we are not aware of any problems'. Followed by the two year warranty email - at least that was a big plus for Sonos.
I should have guessed if I got the email I had a suspect unit (why did they send a possible suspect unit out - did they hope it might be okay). Let's hope that when this one is replaced it's from a new better batch.
Just had my CR200 replaced with similar "dead spot" issues - excellent RMA service from Sonos - bit worrying after only a couple of months of very light use and in view of the £259 price tag!!
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"At the same time, it has developed another problem: When in the charging cradle, with motion sensor set to be off when in the cradle, unit turns on 8 seconds after turning off. I've had to disable the sensor completely. I've contacted Sonos, and I'm waiting for their answer."
Although I haven't counted, mine seems to be doing the same thing. While in the cradle, it never stays asleep. I have reset the controller, restarted the controller, verified settings, everything.
If in the cradle, it goes to sleep and then a few seconds later, pops back on, 1 minute after that (my setting), it goes to sleep and then pops back on.
What's going on here?
Although I haven't counted, mine seems to be doing the same thing. While in the cradle, it never stays asleep. I have reset the controller, restarted the controller, verified settings, everything.
If in the cradle, it goes to sleep and then a few seconds later, pops back on, 1 minute after that (my setting), it goes to sleep and then pops back on.
What's going on here?
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I have had the issue surface as well...in the process of contacting support. Interestingly I too was noticing the controller not "going to sleep" in the cradle a few times recently. It makes me wonder if the screen staying lit was causing increased heat and it is somehow related to the screen defect. Who knows, maybe it is just a coincidence.
My experience with customer service in the past has been excellent so I assume it will be the same this time.
My experience with customer service in the past has been excellent so I assume it will be the same this time.
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Add me to the list x2.
This problem with dead spots on the bottom of the screen around the play / pause button has now happended to two CR200 controllers I have owned.
One I can put down to bad luck / one of those things, but two looks like a manufacturing problem to me.
The big question I'm asking is how long is my third controller going to last. The average so far has been approximately 3 months.
I noticed the problem with the current controller after upgrading to 3.3 but this could have been coincidental.
This problem with dead spots on the bottom of the screen around the play / pause button has now happended to two CR200 controllers I have owned.
One I can put down to bad luck / one of those things, but two looks like a manufacturing problem to me.
The big question I'm asking is how long is my third controller going to last. The average so far has been approximately 3 months.
I noticed the problem with the current controller after upgrading to 3.3 but this could have been coincidental.
This turning on after 8 seconds could be caused by dirty electrical contacts. I've cleaned them with an eraser. We'll see...
Mine (less than 2 months old) has just started losing sensitivity towards the bottom.
At the same time, it has developed another problem: When in the charging cradle, with motion sensor set to be off when in the cradle, unit turns on 8 seconds after turning off. I've had to disable the sensor completely. I've contacted Sonos, and I'm waiting for their answer.
At the same time, it has developed another problem: When in the charging cradle, with motion sensor set to be off when in the cradle, unit turns on 8 seconds after turning off. I've had to disable the sensor completely. I've contacted Sonos, and I'm waiting for their answer.
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