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Ryan S
Retired Sonos Staff
January 22, 2020

End of Software Support - Clarifications

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End of Software Support - Clarifications

We announced yesterday that some of our oldest Sonos products will be moving into a legacy mode in May of 2020. Our commitment is to support products with regular software updates for a minimum of five years after we stop selling them, and we have a track record of supporting products far longer. 

Here is some public information we’ve shared, gathered into one place to respond to some of your questions in one easy thread, so that people can find the correct information easily.

Beginning in May, software updates and new features from Sonos will only be delivered to systems with only modern products.

After May, systems that include legacy products will continue to work as before - but they will no longer receive software updates or new features. 

Sonos will work to maintain the existing experience and conduct bug fixes, but our efforts will ultimately be limited by the lack of memory and processing power of these legacy products.

We don’t expect any immediate impact to your experience, but access to services and overall functionality will eventually be disrupted, particularly as partners evolve their own services and features. 

 

Customers with both legacy and modern products have time to decide what option is best for them. You can continue to use your whole system in legacy mode - in this case, it will stop receiving updates and new features. 

You will also be able to separate your legacy products from your modern products, so that the modern products can still receive updates and new features, and legacy products can still be used separately. We’ll have more information on how to do this in May when you can take that action.

Another option available to all customers with legacy products is to take advantage of the Trade Up program, which allows you to upgrade older Sonos products to modern ones with a 30% discount. Trade Up will be open to customers at any time should they decide to upgrade. 

We recognize this is new for Sonos owners, just as it is for Sonos. We are committed to help you by making options available to you to support the best decision for your home.
 

If you have any further questions, please don’t hesitate with asking.

Update 2/22: A message from our CEO

We heard you. We did not get this right from the start. My apologies for that and I wanted to personally assure you of the path forward:

First, rest assured that come May, when we end new software updates for our legacy products, they will continue to work as they do today. We are not bricking them, we are not forcing them into obsolescence, and we are not taking anything away. Many of you have invested heavily in your Sonos systems, and we intend to honor that investment for as long as possible. While legacy Sonos products won’t get new software features, we pledge to keep them updated with bug fixes and security patches for as long as possible. If we run into something core to the experience that can’t be addressed, we’ll work to offer an alternative solution and let you know about any changes you’ll see in your experience.

Secondly, we heard you on the issue of legacy products and modern products not being able to coexist in your home. We are working on a way to split your system so that modern products work together and get the latest features, while legacy products work together and remain in their current state. We’re finalizing details on this plan and will share more in the coming weeks.

While we have a lot of great products and features in the pipeline, we want our customers to upgrade to our latest and greatest products when they’re excited by what the new products offer, not because they feel forced to do so. That’s the intent of the trade up program we launched for our loyal customers.

Thank you for being a Sonos customer. Thank you for taking the time to give us your feedback. I hope that you’ll forgive our misstep, and let us earn back your trust. Without you, Sonos wouldn’t exist and we’ll work harder than ever to earn your loyalty every single day.

If you have any further questions please don’t hesitate to contact us.

 

Patrick Spence
CEO, Sonos

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Renowned Enthusiast I
January 23, 2020

I spent thousands on Connect:Amp’s purchased from Sonos in April 2019.  That’s less than 10 months.  Now I’m hearing that these are no longer supported and I need to spend thousands more to “trade up”?  Do I understand that right?

Not exactly.  Only amps built 2015 and before are being sunset this May. You should check your online profile and see what it says in regards to future updates for your amps.

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Avid Contributor I
January 23, 2020

Ryan S wrote:

our efforts will ultimately be limited by the lack of memory and processing power of these legacy products.

As another member stated, I will continue to believe this is a convenient lie until you provide some hard evidence to the contrary.

 

The legacy products have long been unable to deal with large digital music libraries due to insufficient memory (unless you are prepared to strip out all metadata). However the newer devices don’t seem to be much more capable in that regard - the Sonos environment is now heavily skewed towards streaming from commercial platforms rather than personal collections.

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Lyricist I
January 23, 2020

I have spent about $2500 on Sonos speakers.  Most recent was a Sonos One for my daughter for Christmas.  Never again.  And I just filed a 1-star review on Amazon for my new Sonos One based on the incredible contempt I feel Sonos is showing me with this announcement.  Goodbye Sonos. 

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Lyricist I
January 23, 2020
  • The solution is simple and needs one paragraph...”Everything will work just as it does today, and newer products and features will offer richer experiences and functionality beyond our legacy products.. Please be assured you will always enjoy the values that made your initial decision to buy Sonos a good one, for a lifetime of great listening.”

Now go prove you’re a great software company and do just that.

Nailed it!

Unless Sonos reverses course and adopts this policy, I will never ever ever buy another Sonos product.

I will never ever ever recommend Sonos to another person.

And I will do everything in my power to discourage everyone I know from purchasing anything from Sonos.

I invite anyone who feels similarly betrayed to join me in doing the same.

 

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Lyricist II
January 23, 2020

I’ve been a loyal Sonos customer since the beginning. I literally had 2 of the Sonos Moves in my buggy at Best Buy when another customer told me about dropping support for legacy devices (of which I have 4). I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. How can a company abandon me and the 2000.00 I spend with them on these 4 speakers (of which I have around 10)? What about my others, when are they going to be sunset? After confirming by a quick google search, I promptly put them back on the shelf. I will not spend another dime with this company and look forward to joining a class action law suit should one form. What a shame, I loved these things.

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Lyricist II
January 23, 2020

At this point, closing a thread full of negative customer feedback is like using a spoon to bail out a sinking ship. The negative press is on every social media platform, tech news outlets and mainstream news providers like BBC.

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Lyricist II
January 23, 2020

Ok so you will give me 30% off of something that I will need to throw away in 5 years! Yeah ok ..sounds like a great deal to me.  Even 50% off is still a joke.

My assumption is you tried the trade in program and that didn't bring in the revenue you needed.  Well the genius executives got together and pressured the developers...Well let's just discontinue our product.  I could just picture the meeting, the executives hearing what they want to hear and the programmers walk away and inside their heads...they think man this place is screwed...well at least I have a job but it's time to start looking for another one.

800.00 CDN dollars for a disposable subwoofer!!  Sonos is considered a high end audiophile product and you want us to treat it as a disposable product!!  This model will never work.  Most Sonos customers are far too intelligent for this kind of scam! We are all insulted by your obvious cash grab.  To me this is the beginning of the end of Sonos.  This was your last ditch effort at trying to get more revenue.

 

You could have become creative. Here are some basic options that you could have chosen.

 

1.You could have been honest and transparent.  You could have told the community that the current business model wasn't viable and you may go out of business.  You could say you valued your existing customers and you didn't want all of their equipment to become worthless if you went out of business.  Then you could proposed a subscription service with the first two years free for all new customers.  All legacy customers would need to buy the service or their legacy equipment would stop receiving support.  So many of us are deeply invested in your product that we would pay.  Some customers would leave.  Or you could allow people who dont pay for the subscription to use the app in a limited way.  Maybe no streaming support or limited grouping of speakers.  

Anyway if you dont rethink this..think "New Coke"... Companies can come back from the brink and apologize.  You can salvage your reputation, it's not too late.  But if you dont I am done buying your products, I will never reccomend your products and I will go out of my way to try and disuade people from buying your products.

It's time to listen to your customers....

 

 

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Enthusiast II
January 23, 2020

I don’t want products with inbuilt speakers because I’m using my own entertainment systems and in ceiling speakers. Why upgrade to a wireless n version of the ZP80 and ZP100 when they don’t have anything more to bring to the table? Also you sell speakers with no microphones and therefore they are functionally identical except for the wireless protocol. So saying ALL your new products bring more to the table is ridiculous. They stream music from a network that’s it. Some of them have microphones some don’t.

Well your answer to why upgrade is we’ll force you to upgrade by making your old components redundant. Forced obsolescence. I purchased these products - I didn’t sign a lease. You are stealing from me effectively by not supporting them. If you didn’t think of the lifetime support costs then that’s no my fault - that’s your fault - don’t punish me for your lack of foresight.

Also now I’m retired I won’t be forking out for many new products so basically you are just kicking me in the guts.

 

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Lyricist III
January 23, 2020

Looking closer at the utterly appalling 30% trade-up discount (I know what you give to employees and distributors) it strikes me that with your admission of obsolescence and that you can no longer justify the exorbitant prices you are charging - particularly for the Amp and sub-par Port.

I used to be able to justify the comparatively high cost on the basis of longevity - indeed I can recall sales rep’s running with the same pitch. Now you have admitted you no longer control some aspects of your own environment - having submitted to the big streaming companies - your value proposition is greatly diminished. Time to drop the hardware prices I think.

Your lack of contrition at your own failings speaks volumes.

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Lyricist I
January 23, 2020

I am really disturbed. I spent so much money on my system that now is “legacy”. I am buying high end audio devices and I have never experienced anything like this before. Never. I hope you utterly fail with this and it’s the wedge for other players to eat a chunk of your market share.

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