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trueplay for Android?
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When is trueplay being released for android? ?
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Without delay? You mean rush some half-baked badly thought out idea to market that doesn't work properly? I'd rather they took their time and got it right.
Somebody needs to read the thread.
I had read the thread - my reply still stands.
Try understanding the words then, your reply is nonsense. The reason they haven't done android yet is clearly explained. If anything the figures you quote reinforces the reason why android is so difficult.
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reading comprehension issues
market share because of so many manufacturer devices instead of just one.
no trueplay because of so many manufacturer devices instead of just one.
They go hand in hand.
market share because of so many manufacturer devices instead of just one.
no trueplay because of so many manufacturer devices instead of just one.
They go hand in hand.
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Sonos even said they tried to support at least a single manufacturer like Samsung ... but even then even on the same model phone they found variances in the microphone.
It seems the only solution non-ios is going to require a microphone (a plug in one or using built in one like in the new Play:5).
It seems the only solution non-ios is going to require a microphone (a plug in one or using built in one like in the new Play:5).
I think that there would be significant market push back if there was a cost associated with an Android solution. Market research would be required to sort this out. When the CR200 was on the market there were numerous outraged voices shouting all sorts of nasty comments about being forced to purchase a high priced controller when their iDevice was already sitting in their pocket. In this context the controller is "free". I doubt if SONOS could have charged a small fee for their controller App without incurring market push back.
I know many customers would gladly accept a cost for a microphone accessory, but I don't know the fractions.
There are a couple options to explore:
First, it may be possible to use an existing PLAY:x to calibrate the Android microphone. However, one would need to exercise great care when positioning the Android microphone relative to the PLAY:x. This may turn out to be too "complicated" for the average user. In addition to researching the technical details, one would need some market research about the "complicated" part.
Second, the new PLAY:5 includes two microphones. This opens the possibility of using a PLAY:5 to calibrate an Android microphone or using a PLAY:5 to calibrate other PLAY:x units. Again, there are some "complicated" aspects with this approach.
Third (bonus option), dealers could provide a calibrating service for Android devices. The dealer would strap the Android device into a jig and develop a custom calibration curve for the specific customer owned device. I don't know if dealers would welcome this opportunity or grumble about the extra work -- and someone must foot the cost of the jig. I'm not sure how a Best Buy, TARGET, or web store could fit into this scheme. Actually, a very inexpensive jig (possibly 3D printed -- at home) and a new PLAY:5 could be strapped together to build a calibration facility.
I know many customers would gladly accept a cost for a microphone accessory, but I don't know the fractions.
There are a couple options to explore:
First, it may be possible to use an existing PLAY:x to calibrate the Android microphone. However, one would need to exercise great care when positioning the Android microphone relative to the PLAY:x. This may turn out to be too "complicated" for the average user. In addition to researching the technical details, one would need some market research about the "complicated" part.
Second, the new PLAY:5 includes two microphones. This opens the possibility of using a PLAY:5 to calibrate an Android microphone or using a PLAY:5 to calibrate other PLAY:x units. Again, there are some "complicated" aspects with this approach.
Third (bonus option), dealers could provide a calibrating service for Android devices. The dealer would strap the Android device into a jig and develop a custom calibration curve for the specific customer owned device. I don't know if dealers would welcome this opportunity or grumble about the extra work -- and someone must foot the cost of the jig. I'm not sure how a Best Buy, TARGET, or web store could fit into this scheme. Actually, a very inexpensive jig (possibly 3D printed -- at home) and a new PLAY:5 could be strapped together to build a calibration facility.
Yes, as I've pointed out several times, ELAC has done it by first having the user calibrate the phone's mic by placing it in the near field while test tones are played. Simple enough for a sub, but might be a more complex process for full range speakers, requiring the customer to move the phone nearer to the mids, then the tweeters, etc.
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Just have a Sonos "Trueplay" tuning party. Don't bring a bottle - bring an IOS device. Get all your Plays tuned AND have a party
However, what doesn't make sense is that there is "no" Android devices supported. No one is expecting Sonos to come out with a new feature and support a wild amount of devices.
It would make far more sense, if they released True Play for the select top tier Android phones on the market (which probably number around the same, as all of the iDevices currently supported). This is the same as the PC market, where you need a certain level of hardware to run certain programs. Some is supported, some is not.
If you actually read the responses you'd know that even on a single model of android phone there can be any number of different microphones used, the android manufacturers don't standardize on type, they just use whatever they can get their hands on.
Is there perhaps a way to use the speakers themselves to test/calibrate the microphone on individual phones since the Sonos speaker sound is not a variable thing? I'd be willing to pay for a plug in microphone if Sonos is unable to make it work by other means. I will probably begrudgingly use my girlfriends iPhone to calibrate the speakers we have and won't need to re-calibrate for a long time afterwards but it does make me sad there is a shiny new feature I don't get to use on my own phone.
Whilst the speaker should be a known quantity the room isn't, so there's no way of knowing how the room is affecting the signal until you've adjusted the output to allow for the room effects, which is of course, exactly what Trueplay is doing in the first place...
I didn't realise after spending over £3000 filling my house with Sonos sound that future development depended on running it for best experience from an Apple product. I certainly wouldn't have wasted my money on this stuff. How disappointing. Its not rocket science to develop a few core products or even a unified controller app. Samsung have managed it with their adapt sound. Come on Sonos you can do better....
btw I have a Samsung Galaxy note 5 :)
In the meantime does trueplay just require a once off set up and in future does not need an apple thing to run? I could always embarrassingly ask to borrow my mates iphone.
btw I have a Samsung Galaxy note 5 :)
In the meantime does trueplay just require a once off set up and in future does not need an apple thing to run? I could always embarrassingly ask to borrow my mates iphone.
Did you actually read the thread, particularly the official answer? Android devices have huge variability in their microphone characteristics.
After the £3000 spend I'd suggest you simply invest an extra 5% in an iPod Touch 6th generation. In the old days people would often spend multiple times that on exotic cables...
After the £3000 spend I'd suggest you simply invest an extra 5% in an iPod Touch 6th generation. In the old days people would often spend multiple times that on exotic cables...
Do that, it is a one time requirement unless you change the location or configuration. Toggling it on/off later at any time does not need the apple device.
ECM8000 + Blue Icicle + Calibration File + ARTA I already have a calibrated RTA setup, why can't the Sonos PC app use that?
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Possibly because only you and the bloke that works down the chip shop in my village are the only people in the World with that setup?
Possibly because only you and the bloke that works down the chip shop in my village are the only people in the World with that setup?
LOL, so true. I come from auto sound competition, and I used this setup for tuning. There are not many of us SQ auto enthusiasts left it seems.
Regardless, Sonos doesn't even have to support my RTA. Just give me the knobs (Eq, parametric eq, delay, crossover, gain, etc.) and I can fend for myself!
Then, should anyone want to use a setup like this to tune Sonos, the barrier to entry for it is very low. Dare I say cheaper, more accurate, and better granularity than what Sonos could sell a dedicated unit.
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Any new on progress on this front please?
No news right now. But we'll let you know if anything comes up.
Thank-you Ryan.
This important to a very large number of loyal Sonos users.
This important to a very large number of loyal Sonos users.
What, that microphone characteristics in Android devices are so variable? I agree, but there's nothing Sonos can do about that.
all 4 are getting returned.
Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater. If they're PLAY:1s especially so, since at present there are reports of issues which mean some folks leave Trueplay disabled.
Anyway, just borrow an iDevice to tune them. It's a one-time exercise unless you move the speakers to another location.
I understand that the variation in Android devices makes it harder to develop software across the board but many other companies have achieved just this. Sonos has a reputation as a quality brand and I would expect it to be working hard to offer the same service to all its customers. Not giving any attempt at a roll out date for android is frustrating. Are they just not going to bother? It would be nice to let their customer's know!
What makes you think they're not working hard at it? The fact that they won't give a date for this should tell you just how big the problems are with doing this. It may even be the case that it isn't possible for them to achieve this. And I don't believe anyone else has produced an android app that attempts to do anything like this. Av receiver manufacturers offer remote control apps, but they still supply a dedicated microphone for the auto-calibration process.
Sonos can hardly be accused of deception on this issue. http://www.sonos.com/en-gb/trueplay-speaker-tuning-software says:
You are also referred to https://sonos.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3406 which says:
It's Sonos' company policy not to publish their development plans.
Set up with iPhone, iPad and iPod touch only
In order to perform Trueplay tuning, the Sonos app for iPhone, iPad or iPod touch running iOS 7 or higher is required. This includes iPhone 4s and higher, iPad 2 and higher and iPod touch 5th generation and higher.
You are also referred to https://sonos.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3406 which says:
We realize many Sonos users, and music lovers considering Sonos, are happy Android users that want to use their phone or tablet of choice to Trueplay tune their Sonos speakers. Unfortunately due to the wide variety of devices on the Android platform using different software versions, microphones and ways to process audio we could not ensure a consistent and reliable Trueplay tuning experience thus far. It’s absolutely our intent to support Trueplay on Android so know we haven’t lost sight of this gap and are quite unhappy about the lack of Android support.
It's Sonos' company policy not to publish their development plans.
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Ok so I don't own an iphone, if I buy a second sonos to set up a stereo pair will they work together to get truplay or will I still need a friendly iphone user to visit the house and log on to my system?
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You can most certainly pair your speakers and use them without any Trueplay tuning. Trueplay is an optional enhancement, it is not a requirement to use your speakers. You can also borrow an iOS device for Trueplay tuning. Even better, you only need to do it once and the tuning remains in place (as long as you don't move the speakers, of course).
Thank you jgatie. The community response is far more helpful than the online chat I had last night.
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