Lower minumum volume level



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Just tried it on my Play Gen 2. Turned the volume right down on the unit and then pressed 'Up' once. I thought I hadn't done it properly but when I got my head in close it was playing - but much quieter than the same thing on the Play 1.
As I said earlier, it's not at all 'loud' on the Play 1 - it's really quiet. But in a quiet room or late at night it's certainly far more noticeable than the 'same' position on the Play 5.
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I mean I will try it on my Gen 2 Play 5.
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I'd be interested in a Sonos response to this and what the volume gradient is between devices. I was listening to my Play 1 in bed late at night at the weekend and had it low. The wife said to turn it down and I pushed the hard button once and it was silent. Up again and I'd say it was too loud to consider it to be quietest it should be capable of. I'd never describe it as 'loud' but can imagine other use cases where it may be desirable to go quieter. If I remember I'll try it tonight to see how the lowest setting compares on that - as I'm sure its higher volumes come much higher on the volume bar in comparison. It may even go up to 11..
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Hey kmjy,

thank you. We've already turned off Loudness and turned the EQ levels to minimum and it's still too loud.

Again, everyone has a different feeling on this, but looking in the average no one uses the Sonos above 60%. Why not making it simply more "sensitive" to satisfy all users.

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Turn the "Loudness" setting to off.

I have noticed at night when I am sleeping my PLAY:5 (Gen2)'s and PLAY:1's are slightly too loud for my liking but that's with the speakers basically right beside the bed. In this instance I turn off the "Loudness" setting and the volume is more normal, nothing is boosted or overplayed. If the bass end up being too cut turn it up in the EQ menu.
I'm with Stuart and John on this issue. I have two Play-1’s in my average-sized-bedroom, set as a stereo pair and the first touch of the slider volume control is not too loud at all and that is with two speakers. My wife and I get up at 6am most mornings and we can still hear the birds singing in the garden as we listen to the radio etc.

I have perfect hearing, as far as I know. I have no issue with any other audio devices in the bedroom or other rooms of my premises, such as TV radio etc. If anything other relatives and guests to my home often may ask for me to raise the volume on my TV (and other devices) when they visit. So I am quite happy that my hearing is fine, by all accounts.

I think you must have over-sensitive hearing sti/mjamin... or maybe a faulty speaker... or perhaps even lots of hard surfaces in a small bedroom that is reflecting the sound towards you. I certainly do not find the Play-1 speaker too loud at its minimum setting.
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I've got a Play 1 in my bedroom on the table right next to my bed. I set the radio to play in the evening and mornings by an Alarm and is set at level 27. In the mornings and evenings it is set to speech radio and I certainly don't find the volume too loud.

Get yourself a Sound Pressure Level meter and take some measurements with some reference tracks.
John B, indeed, your hearing is poor or your bedroom noisy 🙂. It's truly not nice to have music on Sonos 1 in the bedroom. What unit do you use?
Then my hearing must be very poor. Lowest volume (slide to zero, tap once on bar) is almost inaudible to me unless I'm quite close. I'm not disputing that this is an issue for you, but I can understand it not being top of Sonos' priority list too.
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John, the lowest volume is still too loud and cannot be used in a bedroom.
I find I can manage the volume fine. Can you remind me what the problem is please?
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Any news from Sonos on this? Any news at all? Volume management for an hifi system is core.
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+1 they are simply too loud (listening Spotify or radio stations, no TV input)
Would be great indeed if the minimum volume could be lower and selected in smaller steps. It's just too loud for a comfortable bedtime tune.
I understand, that you find the lowest setting okay 🙂 How loud you hear it depends on multiple factors, maybe I have it too close to my bed (1.5m)? Nevermind. I do not expect Sonos to fulfil my wishes in 2 months or at all. Two months is not a deadline for Sonos, this is a deadline for me. And regarding the competitor, if there isn't any then I will live without a speaker.
So what is wrong in not using a product that does not fit my requirements? As an engineer, I know, that you can always turn volume lower. The main question is if this is possible to implement in the software/firmware or it is a hardware limitation.
If releasing a software hotfix takes Sonos 2 months then they should think about optimizing their software development cycles. I would help if the software were open source, but it is not, so I may only request a fix.


Nobody said there was anything wrong with not using the product or getting rid of it if it does not fit your needs. I would recommend it, in fact. However, to expect this to be fixed in 2 months time, or to expect them to listen to a couple posters in this thread and interpret this as a widespread complaint affecting a large number of users, is a little overboard. As I said, I find the lowest volume setting, when set by tapping on the right of the slider when set to zero volume, to be more than low enough for sleep sounds, never mind background music in an office. You may be more sensitive than that, but I doubt you are going to find a competitor with a volume control matched to your personal sensitivities, which seem to be beyond the norm.

As to 2 months being too long for a software fix? Sonos likes to release software which works, is complete, and is tested in full; unlike the last multi-room streamer that used Open Source.
So what is wrong in not using a product that does not fit my requirements? As an engineer, I know, that you can always turn volume lower. The main question is if this is possible to implement in the software/firmware or it is a hardware limitation.
If releasing a software hotfix takes Sonos 2 months then they should think about optimizing their software development cycles. I would help if the software were open source, but it is not, so I may only request a fix.
A whole two months? Considering the next release is in public beta right now and this feature is not on it, your expectations (not to mention knowledge of software development cycles) are a little unrealistic. Also, I'm very familiar with the lowest volume settings as I listen to sleep music every night, and in my opinion the volume goes quite low. I cannot help but think that if your ears are sensitive enough that the lowest setting is still too loud for background music, you are probably not going to find a competitor that goes low enough.


Could I buy a Play:1, try the volumes and return it if it is too loud?


If you buy from Sonos.com yes you can return it. They have great return policy. But IME if you want super granular volume control you should be looking at a Connect with external Amp/Preamp that would allow fine volume control when necessary.

I bought it and it is too loud 😞 Even louder than my previous Samsung. I wait about 2 months for an update on this. if the update is not there, I will sell it as second hand.
I totally agree that the lowest volume needs a few more settings. It is too high for me listening in my small office if I just want background talk or music. I love the product but for that reason I will likely be returning it. Sonos! Listen to your customers! A few more lower settings will not hurt anyone who likes to listen at higher volume levels but will help out a vast number of your customers and potential customers.
Just tested and yes faded in for 10-15 seconds.


Regarding alarms, you can't adjust fade in. I don't really notice but I think there is a slight fade in and fade out 10-15 seconds.

Thanks a lot!
I would really appreciate if you could check the fade-in at the next occasion. 10-15s is much better than 0.


Could I buy a Play:1, try the volumes and return it if it is too loud?

Related question: can I have my alarm clock volume (e.g., TuneIn Internet Radio) to rise from 0 to 25% over a first minute or so? My samsung sometimes scared me to death, because it just played the radio immediately at the final volume that was definitely too loud for the first seconds of a day. I put a lot of hope in Sonos to implement it better than Samsung.


If you buy from Sonos.com yes you can return it. They have great return policy. But IME if you want super granular volume control you should be looking at a Connect with external Amp/Preamp that would allow fine volume control when necessary.

Regarding alarms, you can't adjust fade in. I don't really notice but I think there is a slight fade in and fade out 10-15 seconds.
I just sold my Samung because of being too loud and having too coarse volume control. Next on the list to try was Sonos Play:1 but now I am confused, as it seems to have the same problems as Samsung. Were there any updates about lowering the minimum volume (1/100) or giving more fine tuning of the lower volumes?

Could I buy a Play:1, try the volumes and return it if it is too loud?

Related question: can I have my alarm clock volume (e.g., TuneIn Internet Radio) to rise from 0 to 25% over a first minute or so? My samsung sometimes scared me to death, because it just played the radio immediately at the final volume that was definitely too loud for the first seconds of a day. I put a lot of hope in Sonos to implement it better than Samsung.
I have been out and about, but just dropped back to confirm that I am not paid by Sonos. I do love my Sonos system and admire Sonos as a company.
I have no objection to the opinion that Sonos should have a lower minimum volume level. It is an entirely reasonable request. What I thought it reasonable to challenge was the suggestion that the entire system was "useless" because it lacked a feature 99.999999% of users don't care about. Also worth challenging was the suggestion that because a particular feature request hasn't been implemented Sonos doesn't listen to its customers. Sometimes it listens and says "not worth limited development resource because only 0.0000001% of users care about it".