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Best setup for large wt room. 2 open areas

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Video Explanation here:

https://www.loom.com/share/0766f07c569e490c9e0a4a0ba4520840

Have access to:

x2 Sub gen 3

X6 SL Ones

X3 Fives
x1 Arc

 

  1. Should I have the subs connected and on the same wall? Or should I keep the sub 2 connected the Five in the medium room?
  2. Also, the sub connected to the arc in the large room isn’t really shaking or rattling the room at all. I honestly was expecting a very large boom for the price. Am I doing something wrong with the sub connected to the arc?

    3. Is this the best set up for loud music that could shake the room if needed?
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Best answer by AjTrek1 18 May 2023, 10:38

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AjTrek1
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Just checking. How did your project turn out? 

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@onac5656 

Any news regarding your project?

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buzz

With regard to Trueplay, it was not designed do deal with this sort of layout. Trueplay assumes a Livingroom sort of environment laid out as a single SONOS “Room”. Physics is still physics, of course, but this case is too complicated for Trueplay. That said, Trueplay might be productive and is worth an experiment. Don’t be afraid to adjust things to your taste.

AjTrek1
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@onac5656 

I gather that the space you are setting up with Sonos may have a very high ceiling and the adjoining rooms are open to each other.

Regarding the use of TruePlay to tune the speakers. You may not have good results as TruePlay relies on walls to bounce back the signal to the mics. In an open or very large space TruePlay may fail. That’s to be expected…so no worries. I suggest starting with the Fives and subs.

If TruePlay fails in one I see no need to proceed to other speakers. The best tuning you get may just be your ears especially when placing the subs.

So I’d concentrate on the Five and a sub combo’s first. If they sound good to you either by Trueplay or by ear I ‘d forgo the Ones; unless you feel energetic 😂

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AjTrek1
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Bass is non-directional. When the unit is properly positioned you should not be able to discern where the sub is located; unless you are standing in very close proximity. However the sub does need to be in the same room. 

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buzz

Not much because you will be playing the same music. Balancing the levels might not be very intuitive.

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Is it a problem if the sub in the small room is a good distance from the five that it is paired with?

 

waiting on the last 2 Ones and for the mounting. Then toning will be an adventure! 
 

AjTrek1
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Awesome, I’ll make sure each sub is in a corner. 

For the small room that only has 1 sub do you recommend a specific corner? or should I do the post it test? 

Do the “post-it test as suggested by @buzz .

Hint: You can mark each sub and Five with the same color “sticky dot” available at office supply stores. That way all you have to do is match the dots when returning the subs to their correct placement spot everyday. 

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Awesome, I’ll make sure each sub is in a corner. 

For the small room that only has 1 sub do you recommend a specific corner? or should I do the post it test? 

AjTrek1
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Meeting with the install guy tomorrow, will provide your exact feedback for implementation. 

So the Sub in the small room should go into a corner, Does it matter which one?

It doesn’t matter which sub as they are all the same in size. The only difference might be Gen 1, 2 or 3 which really won’t make a difference in your scenario. All subs should be bonded to a Five. All subs should be placed in a corner for maximum affect in a triangle position whenever possible. That gives you the benefit of two walls and the floor. If you decide to lock them up at night you need to mark each sub so that you return it to the same Five it was originally bonded to. 

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Meeting with the install guy tomorrow, will provide your exact feedback for implementation. 

So the Sub in the small room should go into a corner, Does it matter which one?

AjTrek1
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@onac5656

Hi

The Fives should be mounted at same height as the One’s.

The mount you are considering for the Sub is not a security mount. It just attaches to the wall and the sub is hung from a hook through the port and held in place via suction cups.

Removing the subs at night would be my choice. Putting a chain through the port as suggested by @buzz may stop the theft but you may still wind up with a damaged sub.

Thieves tend to get frustrated when they can’t get their way and then try to destroy the object of their desire. Think taking a hammer to the sub. Dealing with high schoolers the rage to destroy what they can’t have IMO would be very high.

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buzz

As long as the chain does not rattle (perhaps rubber covered) I don’t think that there will be a major impact on sound if you looped an anchor chain through the port.

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Thanks for the update!

Typically the One’s should only be 8 ft above floor, mounted on the North and South walls and angled slightly downward.

The subs should be in the corners and resting on the floor for optimal affect.

Subs being stolen…didn’t see that one coming 🫤. Given that people coming to your gym are in pretty good shape…I still can’t see someone casually walking out with a sub unnoticed (they aren’t exactly feather lite) 😅.

You could remove them each night and secure them in a locked room/closet. You’d have to mark each sub so that each one is returned to the same spot. You could outline the floor placement with tape to place the sub inside of it. However, being positioned 1 inch off center left or right shouldn’t affect the tuning.

Question: How were you planning to mount the subs???

 

Thanks for the 8ft above floor feedback for the one’s, that is now being implemented on installation. 

What is your recommended above floor height for the 5’s? 

 

Yea this is a high school gym and has a good amount of foot traction with outsiders. Not just our kids but outsiders have to walkthrough the gym to get to the wrestling room. NOT ideal but I like your idea to just lock them up each day then put back at the same spot. 

Here’s the link to mounting the subs I was going to use:

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-Tt7slKUKLgL/p_870SUBB/Flexson-FLXSUBB.html?XVINQ=GZ0&XVVer=T5G&awcr=628588405846&awdv=c&awnw=g&awug=9021756&awkw=pla-298164792395&awmt=&awat=pla&gclid=CjwKCAjw04yjBhApEiwAJcvNoSrdCiuqOhlzvp979fd4tRJ28dTE7Gp37RIXmQnjzXUD657M2XajohoCz3AQAvD_BwE

 

 

 

buzz

The physics couldn’t care less about the possibility of theft. Placing SUB in a corner will increase its efficiency. A three way corner (floor or ceiling) is more efficient than a two way corner (wall/wall, wall/floor, or wall/ceiling). The peaks and nulls that I mentioned above actually occur in three dimensions. A taller or shorter person on my Post-It parade will have slightly different results and once you are adept at finding peaks and nulls, you’ll be able to discover smaller peaks and nulls in three dimensions throughout the room.

Likely you have a drop ceiling. In this case SUB will be more efficient on a floor corner than a ceiling corner.

I recommend mounting the ONE’s above the crowds. Making a point of mounting them as high as possible, is not the most productive use of their output. To some extent the highs of any speaker beam and the beam apex angle decreases as frequency increases. If you want to mount the speakers very high, angle them toward the coverage area.

AjTrek1
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Thanks for the update!

Typically the One’s should only be 8 ft above floor, mounted on the North and South walls and angled slightly downward.

The subs should be in the corners and resting on the floor for optimal affect.

Subs being stolen…didn’t see that one coming 🫤. Given that people coming to your gym are in pretty good shape…I still can’t see someone casually walking out with a sub unnoticed (they aren’t exactly feather lite) 😅.

You could remove them each night and secure them in a locked room/closet. You’d have to mark each sub so that each one is returned to the same spot. You could outline the floor placement with tape to place the sub inside of it. However, being positioned 1 inch off center left or right shouldn’t affect the tuning.

Question: How were you planning to mount the subs???

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Update:

Only missing 2 Ones and a Sub, which should be here by Thursday.

 

All the new recommendations / speakers /

suns are plugged in and currently on the floor and the rooms are already blasting ! Can’t wait till I get them mounted.

 

question do I want the ones as high as possible in the corner of the walls? 

I Might have to mount the subs to keep them from getting stolen. Should I still find a corner for them?

 

appreciate all the help! Expensive but a huge difference

 

AjTrek1
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I recommend wiring as many units as possible.

To clarify….wiring a speaker or speakers creates the SonosNet. If possible run and Ethernet cable between as many speakers as you can back to your router. You may have to use an unmanaged switch. 

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buzz

I recommend wiring as many units as possible.

Airgetlam

Note, however, that the SonosNet signal used by the BOOST is also Wi-Fi, and would be potentially affected by those multiple bodies. Anything that uses a radio signal could be impacted, whether it’s ‘visible’ wifi, or SonosNet, which is just an ‘invisible’ version of wifi. 

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AjTrek1
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@onac5656 

Sorry for the late response. 

Personally, I would not create stereo pairs for the reasons I stated earlier in this thread. I’d want every person to hear the same audio constantly without losing left or right depending upon their position in the room. However, you can experiment as @buzz suggested.

 

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buzz

You should experiment with the stereo pairs. You’ll need to decide what is “best”. Note that horizontal FIVES are stereo. You can also experiment with this orientation.

In a space such as this a “left” and “right” side of the room is usually not optimal. Alternating L/R around the room is more appropriate. While L/R will be swapped for some listeners, everyone will have the benefit of L/R. Again, you can experiment with this without rewiring anything.

Stanley_4
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When you Pair you go to Stereo mode and end up with the two channels not sounding right unless you and both speakers are in the right spots.

Single uses mono which doesn’t have the positioning issues.

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Awesome!

So you do not recommend pairing the 2 One that are in each corner. 

10 SL One’s would:

  • Sonos Pair 1 = Gym One

Not looking forward to the true play aspect. 

Have everything purchased but 2 additional fives. Getting those now!
 

AjTrek1
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Hi

One more point...you’ll need to devise a simple naming convention for each speaker (i.e. One’s and Fives) the subs when bonded to the Five’s will become part of that room. Here’s my suggestion….

Starting from the Sonos One in the upper left corner (North wall) and moving clockwise:

  • Sonos One = Gym One
  • Sonos Five/Sub = Gym Two
  • Sonos One = Gym Three

So on an so on….

  • The last Sonos One = Gym Fourteen 

As was mentioned earlier you’ll need to tune (TruePlay) each room individually. Hopefully you have; or can borrow, an iOS device. If you experiment with the sub placements you will need to re-tune each time you move the sub (not all fourteen just the Five/Sub) combo.

Here’s my last suggestion…

Given that bodies can interfere with Wi-Fi I suggest connecting a Sonos Boost to your router to create the SonosNet. Unless you have an extremely good Wi-Fi system the Boost provides a stronger 2.4Ghz signal.

 

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