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buzz

SUB effectiveness varies with their location in the room. You can explore this while walking the room, very close to the walls. Play a thumping track while carrying a handful of Post-It’s and a magic marker. As you walk you’ll discover locations where the bass is accentuated. Deposit a Post-It here and continue the walk. You’ll also discover a few locations where the bass seems doubly accentuated. Mark these Post-It’s with !!. The Post-It locations are known as “peaks” and you will notice that they are more or less regularly distributed in the space. About midway between the peaks is a “null” where the bass will be noticeably less. This is a symmetric effect. By this I mean that SUB’s placed at peaks will be more efficient at delivering bass into the room. Obviously you’ll want to place SUB’s at !! peaks in this application.

AjTrek1
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That looks great!

The only change I’d make would be to move the Sub (south end of Main room) into the same area as the Five on the far left. Place it in the (south) corner below the One. You can move it back later or add another sub depending upon how things sound.  

The nice thing about the subs is that you can move them about to get the best overall effect. You may have to experiment with different locations before settling on the best one.

Remember, that when using Trueplay you’ll have to tune each speaker individually. Each Five/Sub combo will Trueplay as a single unit. Make sure you’re well rested on tuning day! 😂

I guess your kids are in bed? FYI, that’s where I'm headed. So, if you reply tonite I probably won't respond until tomorrow afternoon. I have to be up a 3:30AM tomorrow_bummer!! 😅

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OK…

  1. I’d still ditch the Arc 😂
  2. I’d move the Five’s in the main room and place one on the North wall and the other on the South wall where the Arc is now. Your current positioning of those speakers has music radiating into the face of some of your patrons. You want the music to ‘sweep” over you patrons.
  3. The One’s currently on the North wall I’d place in opposite corners diagonally across for each other. I’d acquire two more One’s and place them diagonally in the other corners.
  4. The Five in the room on the right I’d leave in place. The One’s currency in that room I’d place in opposite corners diagonally across for each other I’d acquire two more One’s and place them in opposing corners as I suggested above.
  5. I recommend another Five positioned between the One’s on the curved wall.
  6. Acquiring a 3rd Sub for the room with the curved wall is recommended.
  7. Go with Option 6 instead of option 5; if you just want to get more rumble. 😅
  8. Alternatively, you can make the recommended adjustments and ignore those in red...but still ditch the Arc! 

OK...you’re still spending more money...I get that. However, Sonos One’s, Fives and Subs can be purchased on eBay for 60% to 75% of original retail. As an eBay seller myself your cost after tax and shipping would probably equal the same as if you purchased the products new at retail which is $2,224 (with no tax). It could be even less if the seller offers Free Shipping and/or a Best Offer. 

That’s all I have. Good luck with whatever decision you make! 👍

This is what I came up with your instructions. Any other modifications besides ideally adding a 4th sub.

Thanks again for this! 

Airgetlam

Just as a note, if you purchased these from Sonos originally, there is a return period. 

Bruce
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Gunna dive into this once the kids go to sleep.

 

THANK YOU!!!

AjTrek1
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OK…

  1. I’d still ditch the Arc 😂
  2. I’d move the Five’s in the main room and place one on the North wall and the other on the South wall where the Arc is now. Your current positioning of those speakers has music radiating into the face of some of your patrons. You want the music to ‘sweep” over you patrons.
  3. The One’s currently on the North wall I’d place in opposite corners diagonally across for each other. I’d acquire two more One’s and place them diagonally in the other corners.
  4. The Five in the room on the right I’d leave in place. The One’s currency in that room I’d place in opposite corners diagonally across for each other I’d acquire two more One’s and place them in opposing corners as I suggested above.
  5. I recommend another Five positioned between the One’s on the curved wall.
  6. Acquiring a 3rd Sub for the room with the curved wall is recommended.
  7. Go with Option 6 instead of option 5; if you just want to get more rumble. 😅
  8. Alternatively, you can make the recommended adjustments and ignore those in red...but still ditch the Arc! 

OK...you’re still spending more money...I get that. However, Sonos One’s, Fives and Subs can be purchased on eBay for 60% to 75% of original retail. As an eBay seller myself your cost after tax and shipping would probably equal the same as if you purchased the products new at retail which is $2,224 (with no tax). It could be even less if the seller offers Free Shipping and/or a Best Offer. 

That’s all I have. Good luck with whatever decision you make! 👍

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This is incredible feedback.

 

I wish I asked this before I purchased the speakers or I would have followed your directions to a T.

 

Any recommendations if you can’t get rid of the my current set up. How would you place 
 

x2 Sub gen 3

X6 SL Ones

X3 Fives
x1 Arc

 

Thanks again!

AjTrek1
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Hi

If you really want to rattle the room(s) as you say below is my suggested Sonos layout. 

  • The Arc needs to go. It is intended for movies first and music second. It also may add unwanted color to music.
  • The One’s should go as well. Mixing One’s with Five’s...people will hear the difference in the dynamics of the music when in proximity of one versus the other.
  • All speakers should be Five’s. They will deliver the best dynamic. 
  • None of the Fives should be in a stereo pair. Creating a stereo pair means that depending upon the persons position in the room they may lose information from the left or right speaker creating a disorientation. Having each speaker play as an independent unit means no matter the persons position in the room they all hear the same audio.
  • Each sub will only be bonded to a single Five. When grouped all speakers will benefit.
  • The subs should be placed where they can best perform which is typically in a corner.

Alternate Option for the room on the right would place the Fives on the same wall as the doors. Doing so will push the audio towards the middle room; as do the speakers on the far left wall. .

That’s my suggestion. I realize it may be a bit expensive; but that’s how I would sound the room(s). Some may suggest Sonos In-Ceiing speakers by Sonance. IMO you will not get the dynamics you want versus the Fives.

 

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Really appreciate the feedback.

the system is used 99% for music so not too concerned with the lip sync aspect.

 

buzz

SONOS is not designed for this sort of application. 

If you attempt to show a video, you will notice a lip sync issue between ARC and the other speakers. In very specific situations you may be able to minimize the issue, but this ability is tied to the specific equipment involved and I will not attempt to describe possible equipment combinations that might minimize the issue because a software update might compromise a previously acceptable situation.

You can add a second SUB to ARC. Placing SUB in a room corner will increase its impact. You can also add a SUB to each single or pair of ONE’s and FIVE’s. Room “shake” is mostly a bass characteristic. FIVE’s will bellow louder than ONE’s.

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