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yep I have those … take it I dont need a pre amp on the turntable 

ive set it up to auto play through the Beam and surround sub etc that are in my main group 

 

Ive had some success using the LINE IN in the browse menu but the volume is very low so assume I need to plug in my pre amp into the mix  

Having some issues with playing my new Pioneer PLX 500 turntable on the Sonos Play 5. The TT has a preamp and a line out, so used a Y cable for a direct input to the Sonos Play 5. My issue is the sound seems low and the vocals are *very* quiet.. Very hard to hear the vocals at all while playing the record. No idea why. Changed the line in setting to Airplay and uncompressed and I'm still having this issue. Maybe the preamp that's built into the TT isn't good enough? Not sure if it's the record player or the connection to the Play 5? When I listen to my digital libray via my iPhone, the same songs sound perfect on the Sonos but when I use the TT it's awful. Anyone have any ideas on this problem?
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Having some issues with playing my new Pioneer PLX 500 turntable on the Sonos Play 5. The TT has a preamp and a line out, so used a Y cable for a direct input to the Sonos Play 5. My issue is the sound seems low and the vocals are *very* quiet.. Very hard to hear the vocals at all while playing the record. No idea why. Changed the line in setting to Airplay and uncompressed and I'm still having this issue. Maybe the preamp that's built into the TT isn't good enough? Not sure if it's the record player or the connection to the Play 5? When I listen to my digital libray via my iPhone, the same songs sound perfect on the Sonos but when I use the TT it's awful. Anyone have any ideas on this problem?

Hi StephJoyce and welcome to the community. I checked out the specs for the turntable and just want to make sure, you have the slider on the back set to "line," correct? Can you also run through a couple of tests?

1) Set the line-in level for the PLAY:5 to "10" to see if that help.
2) Connect a different device, such as an iPad or computer, to the Line-in of the PLAY:5. Does that sound better?


Hi StephJoyce and welcome to the community. I checked out the specs for the turntable and just want to make sure, you have the slider on the back set to "line," correct? Can you also run through a couple of tests?

1) Set the line-in level for the PLAY:5 to "10" to see if that help.
2) Connect a different device, such as an iPad or computer, to the Line-in of the PLAY:5. Does that sound better?



Thanks for the reply Andy. Yes, switch is set to "line". I don't have the right adapter to connect my iPad or iphone by line in to try it out. I only have the RCA 3.5mm Y cable. I have my old Sony turntable and Amp so going to try that later today to see if it makes a difference. I'll try in line 10 level as well and report back.
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Having some issues with playing my new Pioneer PLX 500 turntable on the Sonos Play 5. The TT has a preamp and a line out, so used a Y cable for a direct input to the Sonos Play 5. My issue is the sound seems low and the vocals are *very* quiet.. Very hard to hear the vocals at all while playing the record. No idea why. Changed the line in setting to Airplay and uncompressed and I'm still having this issue. Maybe the preamp that's built into the TT isn't good enough? Not sure if it's the record player or the connection to the Play 5? When I listen to my digital libray via my iPhone, the same songs sound perfect on the Sonos but when I use the TT it's awful. Anyone have any ideas on this problem?

It's pretty common for the sound level of a turntable's line amp to sound quieter than other sources. I have to turn up the volume an extra 1/3rd of a turn to equal the soul level from CD and streamed music.

What's not common though is to have the vocals disappearing in the mix. All else being correct, that only happens when the cartridgw is wired wrong. These are the four fine wires coming out of the arm tube and connecting to the back of the block that holds the 'needle'.

I haven't come across it yet with a new turntable and its factory-fitted cartridge, but there's always a first time. I have seen it where people have tried to swap a cartridge themselves and got muddled. I have also heard of one cartridge manufacturer getting the wiring wrong during production.

Check all the rest of our wiring first , but if it's all good and vocals are still recessed on just the turntable then it's worth investigating the phase of the wiring further.
If your turntable does not have a built-in preamp, you’ll need to place one between the turntable and Sonos player.


Good thread; is it a sticky as it needs to be?

The other input is with reference to the quote: these preamps are not expensive any more and if one is spending more than USD 100 for one it is probably too much. Close to half of that ought to get a perfectly adequate gadget. Some attention is needed to compatibility of the preamp with the cartridge type on the turntable - Moving Magnet or Moving Coil. Those compatible with both tend to be more expensive.


If im using a mixer on two turntables will i still need a pre amp?
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So, variation on a theme here. I am having a significant turntable problem, and being an older guy isn't helping me at all. Please remember my history is purely analogue, so that probably hinders me too!
Ok, I wanted to connect my nice Concept TT and my even nicer EAR 748 pre-amp to a pair of Gen2 Sonos 5 speakers. I have connected them in the traditional way. Thing is, I only get sound from one speaker, and (spookily for an analogue guy), I can disconnect the line in cable to that speaker, and it keeps on playing provided the non playing speaker remains connected to my pre-amp. If I switch to a streamed source, both speakers play as a stereo pair with no issues whatsoever! Your help is needed!!!
I only get sound from one speaker, and (spookily for an analogue guy), I can disconnect the line in cable to that speaker, and it keeps on playing provided the non playing speaker remains connected to my pre-amp. If I switch to a streamed source, both speakers play as a stereo pair with no issues whatsoever! Your help is needed!!!
Sounds spooky to now a digital person as well, but I have probably misunderstood. What you need to do is connect the preamp via a RCA stereo cable with one multi jack for the Sonos end to just one of the 5 units - not to both. When stereo paired, both will then play their respective channels.

If any speaker continues to play music from the TT when there is nothing in either line in jack - that is spooky indeed!

First troubleshooting step - go to the line in options in the Sonos controller and select Compressed and see if both speakers now play as they do for streamed music.
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Thanks Kumar. I took a bit of a side step, and have achieved some sort of result, but now I am convincing myself it's still not quite right. As mentioned above, I had connected everything up in ye olde worlde analog fashion (left RCA output from TT to left input on pre-amp, left output from pre-amp to line input on Sonos Play 5, and the same set up for the right). That resulted in sound from one speaker only.
Today, I went to electronics store, and bought a stereo Y piece with two female phono/RCA to Sonos sized jack plug. This I fitted to the speaker with no sound, and plugged in both RCA outputs from the pre-amp. Woohoo, sound from both speakers, and when grouped with Sonos stuff elsewhere in the house, my vinyl could be heard everywhere. A major result, however, there is a "but". It might just be my imagination, but I am not yet convinced that I am listening in stereo....the speakers are only four feet apart, and it sounds a bit "mono-ish". Might just be the stuff I have listened to so far. The other uncertainty in my mind, is which speaker should the Y piece be connected to? It seems to function the same either way, but I was/am unsure if one speaker is the "master" and the other is the "slave". I will try your compression trick next. Got to admit, the app changes of 2 days ago haven't really made things any easier!
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Thanks yet again for the support! I do have them set up as a stereo pair, and it's probably due to my listening to older stuff like Ray Charles and Sam Cooke that is denying me the kind of stereo separation I was hoping for (double checked, and both albums are definitely stereo recordings!). The bit that is now intriguing me is getting hold of a twin male RCA to a single 3.5 male headphone jack as a pre-made cable. Currently, I am using a pair of high end RCA cables from my purely analog days which are then connected to a stereo Y piece which consists of two female RCA sockets (high end cables connected to those), and the other side of the Y piece is a 3.5mm male headphone jack fitted to one of the Sonos Play 5s. This gives me sound from both speakers.
I might just separate the stereo pair then re-pair them. This set up should emulate what you suggest with the only difference being my set up consists of bits and pieces rather than a single ready made cable. I will try and source a pre-made cBle just to be sure!
Somewhere in the attic, I have one of those stereo demonstration albums. I maybe need to dig it out to give me peace of mind (or send me into a downward spiral of digital depression)!
Huh. Well, that's my theory down the drain. I'd be betting on a problem with one of the cables or connectors, then.

Here's a quick 2 second google search for the kind of cable I am suggesting:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01D5H8KO2/ref=asc_df_B01D5H8KO25212856/?tag=hyprod-20&creative=394997&creativeASIN=B01D5H8KO2&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167146065113&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2433241466014155516&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031927&hvtargid=pla-303037967706

Wow. that's quite a link, sorry for the length of it. But that's the style I'm talking about. I'd imagine 8 foot might be a tad long, but it gives you a starting place.

Dig out that stereo demonstration album. You'll feel much better once you've got this put to bed.

By the way, I'm betting Kumar is asleep right now, which is why I jumped in. He's extraordinarily good with this kind of thing. I'd expect him back on line in the next 2 or 3 hours.
And re-reading your post, it really sounds like the cables you have should be working fine....with one small caveat. Check the 3.5mm end of that Y cable to make sure it looks like the one on the link I supplied. If it doesn't have the two black plastic rings around the part that you insert in the PLAY:5, it's possible that you've got a stereo to mono adaptor.

I think you'd get a mono signal out of that, and because the speakers are stereo paired, you'd get the same signal out of both, i.e. 2 speakers playing the same mono (combined L+R) signal, rather than the stereo you're actually looking for.

Hope this helps, even the smallest amount.
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It helps a lot! My 3.5mm Jack does indeed have the two black channel separation rings.........although these things can fail! I am actually going to plug the Y plug I into a pair of Seinheisser headphones I have that accepts a jack input. If the headphones are giving me a stereo signal, then all that's left is for me to dig out that late 60s stereo testing album (either that, or Who's Next has some good stereo separation as I recall). Onward into the future for all us sixty somethings....
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All is well with the world! The headphones certainly pointed me in the direction that stereo separation was there, although taking a feed straight from an EAR pre-amp didn't give anything like the sort of amplification the headphones needed, it was enough to prove the point.
I actually had a minor brainwave, as my vinyl copy of Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds was handy, and that is near enough a textbook exercise in stereo separation. No doubt about it, I have stereo lift off!
I think I still see my Linn Sondek, Cyrus component amps and power supplies hooked up to my beloved Sonus Fabers as a superior beast, I must admit to definitely being a convert to this Sonos malarkey. In terms of house coverage, ease of use, and pretty damn good sound, I really am starting to like it.
I will always retain my passion for the sheer ritual of protecting, caring for and playing my vinyl albums (as well as loving album artwork and sleeve notes), but my days of dismissing the Sonos revolution are now gone forever. Both concepts have their place, and biggest surprise of all for me is that they aren't mutually exclusive. Exciting times!
I'll admit to being a fan of Jeff Wayne, too.

But I'm delighted that you've got it nailed down. Kumar is a great resource, and I can fill in the chinking. :)

Indeed, while I don't consider Sonos to be "audiophile" quality, I'm delighted that they're also not audiophile priced, and for my ears, I can't tell the difference. I've flirted in the past with audiophile stuff, but at the end of the day, couldn't make the cost to benefit ration work for me. But Sonos hits the sweet spot. Sounds great, costs relatively little, and no wires other than power. Best thing ever!
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Oh Kumar be careful! I will be getting you guys roped in on how to build my old beloved Leak valve amp into a streamed system. Now that will be fun. I have an ad yet unused Connect that I am going to splice into my aging KEF egg home cinema set up. It's an Onkyo amp (rough, but they get the job done in an "in your face" way. Six wee KEF eggs, and one larger KEF oval complete the picture along with a chunky REL subwoofer. I am not expecting miracles, but just hoping the little Connect surprises me! Some of Kumar's suggestions for my Fabers might follow...and you are right Kumar. Fabers cabinets are just so tactile. They play a huge part in their appeal.
As far as I know, fellow member chicks is rare in having a very neatly integrated set up that uses audio products from many decades with a discreet Sonos front end for a best of all worlds have your cake and eat it too experience. Perhaps he will post some pictures here.

I have sold all my kit - valve amps, valve DACs, power conditioners, TT, exotic cables and the rest because I just switched off completely from the hobby.

At the same time, because of Sonos+streamed services, I am listening to a lot more music than I ever did as an audiophile.

If I have any hobby in this area now it is exploring how to get good enough sound quality from kit that is as cheap as possible by fully leveraging advances in electronics and digital signal processing allied to cheap high volume manufacturing. The USD 35 Chromecast is a good example. As are some recent Bluetooth speakers.

PS: To come back on topic, a TT that can wirelessly play with Sonos would be cool, but the volumes may be too small to justify the effort. Perhaps the bluetooth equipped ones then, with a receiver hanging from the line in jacks of such Sonos kit that has them. The only concern I have there is interference between Bluetooth and Sonos in a manner that affects music play stability.
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I guess I could live with just two of the KEF eggs working provided that the REL gets to join the party. I am definitely going to try Cyrus and Fabers with the Connect. It has to be an "as well as" as she forced me into moving them into a garden summer house. Will try home cinema first.
While I have never had the cash to dabble at the audiophile top end, I must admit, I have a bunch of reasonably expensive Marantz and Sony kit (fancy CD players, projectors, receivers, as well as Sony's expensive and ridiculously heavy first DAB radio) all with nowhere to go. And yes, my time spent listening to music rather than listening to equipment has gone through the roof because of Sonos. Do you use a Sonos sub? Do you rate it?
I was reluctant to get the Sub at first because of past disappointments with subwoofers due to their poor integration with the main stereo pair for music play. But I have to say that the Sonos Sub was a game changer with respect to how well it elevated the listening experience of music from a Sonos 1 pair. It does need to be placed in the same plane as the two speakers somewhere close to the centre for best results, even though Sonos claims it can be placed anywhere in the room.

I suspect that for the REL to play, you will have to have the Onkyo in full HT mode. But if you don't play other Sonos speakers at the same time that you are playing the Onkyo driven set up you will not notice any sync difference that may arise.

I suggest you move further questions to a new thread so that we leave this sticky one for its titled subject.
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Maybe it’s mentioned and I just didn’t see it, but to get the sound from the receiver to my Sonos Connect I needed to connect the tape out on the receiver to the audio in on the Connect (after connecting the turntable to the receiver’s turntable jacks). The connection is working fine, but if there’s a better way (or if the Sonos support article says this), please let me know.

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Agreed.
Very nice, in particular the cabinet. So you have a TT, ES speakers and voice controlled streaming services. A rare combination of relevant tech. No FM radio or does that now become redundant with Tune In?
PS: and there must be a NAS stashed out of sight somewhere to eliminate the need for a CD player.
Hi, great convo here. First time question. Long time Sonos owner. I appreciate your help. I was planning to eventually connect my ancient (but beloved) Technics SL-120 to my Sonos system. I have speakers is all the main rooms of my home (except kids’ rooms and bathrooms but you never know) and am seriously considering buying a wireless turntable to use with the Sonos system to keep things simple/modern. However, I have not found any Sonos owner reviews for wireless turntables available. I see one turntable that advertises as Sonos compatible (TRNTBL) and I’ve noticed a couple higher quality Bluetooth turntables on the market. Has anyone tried these Bluetooth turntables with their Sonos? If so, can I get some reviews and set-up/configuration suggestions? Thanks! Looking forward to seeing thoughts on this topic.
I wouldn’t bother with a Bluetooth turntable, they are typically junk. TRNTBL has a reputation here for not delivering, and not responding to emails. Probably to be avoided. So many great classic turntables available at garage sales, Craigslist, etc for a song, which will greatly outperform the Crosley junk.
Hi, I have a Play 5 and a Audio Technica AT-LP60 which has a pre-amp - I hooked it up and it seemed to kind of work, but it seems like some of the "tracks" are missing? So, I played Money by Pink Floyd. I can hear the instrument tracks but none of the vocals, etc. Any thoughts?