5.1 but want Alexa drop in

  • 2 November 2020
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I have a playbar, sub and 2 sonos 1's as my rears with Alexa built in. Since alexa doesn't allow drop in with Sonos, I am trying to figure out if I can use an echo dot for alexa (turn off alexa feature on the 1's) and still keep the surround sound as well as the easy access of playing having alexa control?

Appreciate any ideas??


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@Gregbyne . Why was it inappropriate for Danny to point out that the standard of response from Sonos staff on here now is far better than what was provided here?

Your slightly incoherent rage is hard to understand.  I look forward to being your next target.

Oh and “Registering an account?”  What are you talking about?

 

Danny wrote ;The original post is over a year old, and the ‘Sonos person’ who answer the question was actually a temporary contractor that Sonos no longer employs

So what your saying is that because the person is no longer there and its a year old my point is not valid. Gee yeah that makes sense.  The person was paid by sonos to amswer queries and applies to all techs which i clearly stated.  Thanks for the comeback that makes no sense whatsoever.  

 

 

I stated facts, it wasn’t a ‘comeback’.  If you want to believe that the level of support a customer receives today is the same support they will receive from a temp contractor over a year ago, that Sonos likely recognizes was pretty bad, then go right ahead.

 

 

Danny wrote

The question was about the Playbar, not the Beam.  A minor point perhaps, but if you’re going to get on someone for not reading the question properly, than your point would have more merit if you got it right.  And honestly, I don’t know what you’re getting it by ‘Connect them’ as that’s rather vague...and you can control volume and other functions via an echo dot if setup properly.

 

And the workaround/solution is there, though not really well explained.  You can setup an Alexa group (link provided by Sonos rep) to properly integrate a dot and Sonos room into one physical room.    I don’t use the drop in feature very often, but the few times I have used it, this solution worked just fine.  I don’t know that the Sonos room will automatically mute or duck during the entire call, as I’ve always had the sound off during a call.

 

Yep thanks for that. It's a playbar. With the same problem as they are essentially the same thing. So your point was I don't read the query and my point has lost validity  becasue I used beam instead of playbar.  Another winning comeback.

 

 

I just find it interesting that you complain about reading comprehension, yet get the name of the product in question wrong.  As I said, it was a minor point as the answer is basically the same regardless of whether you use a Playbar or Beam.

 

And you've not read anything either . The solution  is not there. I have no idea why youre ranlmbling on about groups either. This is not about groups which I'm aware of. I assume you think I'm asking the last question to the poster when it is obviously directed at the SONOS team. 

He doesn't have an echo dot braniac. That's the point.  The tech guy didn't read the query and started in on fixing a problem that wasn't there to be fixed. 

 

 

Who’s the “he” you’re referring to here?  The original poster?   OP stated that they have an echo dot, twice.  Yes, Rowena did fail to answer the question originally, but did answer the  question in her second post, which is to setup Alexa groups.

 

Oh thanks also for spending all this time to have a go at me rather using it to 'perhaps'  better explain the so called solution given by the (now ex) sonos person.  You even went to the trouble of registering an account to do this. BUT DIDNT BOTHER TO HELP THE ORIGINAL PERSON. even saying it wasn't explained properly.   Well done and really thanks for your input. 

 

Registering an account?  What are you talking about?

Danny wrote ;The original post is over a year old, and the ‘Sonos person’ who answer the question was actually a temporary contractor that Sonos no longer employs

So what your saying is that because the person is no longer there and its a year old my point is not valid. Gee yeah that makes sense.  The person was paid by sonos to amswer queries and applies to all techs which i clearly stated.  Thanks for the comeback that makes no sense whatsoever.  

 

Danny wrote

The question was about the Playbar, not the Beam.  A minor point perhaps, but if you’re going to get on someone for not reading the question properly, than your point would have more merit if you got it right.  And honestly, I don’t know what you’re getting it by ‘Connect them’ as that’s rather vague...and you can control volume and other functions via an echo dot if setup properly.

 

And the workaround/solution is there, though not really well explained.  You can setup an Alexa group (link provided by Sonos rep) to properly integrate a dot and Sonos room into one physical room.    I don’t use the drop in feature very often, but the few times I have used it, this solution worked just fine.  I don’t know that the Sonos room will automatically mute or duck during the entire call, as I’ve always had the sound off during a call.

 

Yep thanks for that. It's a playbar. With the same problem as they are essentially the same thing. So your point was I don't read the query and my point has lost validity  becasue I used beam instead of playbar.  Another winning comeback.

And you've not read anything either . The solution  is not there. I have no idea why youre ranlmbling on about groups either. This is not about groups which I'm aware of. I assume you think I'm asking the last question to the poster when it is obviously directed at the SONOS team. 

He doesn't have an echo dot braniac. That's the point.  The tech guy didn't read the query and started in on fixing a problem that wasn't there to be fixed. 

Oh thanks also for spending all this time to have a go at me rather using it to 'perhaps'  better explain the so called solution given by the (now ex) sonos person.  You even went to the trouble of registering an account to do this. BUT DIDNT BOTHER TO HELP THE ORIGINAL PERSON. even saying it wasn't explained properly.   Well done and really thanks for your input. 

 

 

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I have a playbar, sub and 2 sonos 1's as my rears with Alexa built in. Since alexa doesn't allow drop in with Sonos, I am trying to figure out if I can use an echo dot for alexa (turn off alexa feature on the 1's) and still keep the surround sound as well as the easy access of playing having alexa control?

Appreciate any ideas??

I use an Echo Dot to control our Playbar 5.1 setup.

You need to set the Playbar as Prefered Speaker in the Alex App iirc.

Only problem is you have to say "Alexa, turn up Livingroom" for volume control as if you just say "Alexa, louder" it turns the Dot up instead.

 

Created this account as well to reply to this.

 

it’s incredibly gobsmacking that the Sonos person replied not only with the wrong answer  but didn’t bother to read your query at all.  Neither did the next one,  nor did they bother to guide you in workarounds. Neither did anyone else .

 

 

The original post is over a year old, and the ‘Sonos person’ who answer the question was actually a temporary contractor that Sonos no longer employs.

 

the question was simple.  Beam doesn’t support drop in. Why? Who cares.  The guy just needs to solve a problem. 
answer.  Have an echo next to your beam or in the room.  Connect them to your Sonos speakers. Then TURN The microphone OFF on your Beam.  
Unfortunately this doesn’t allow you to turn the music down or up etc. but allows you to turn it on or off. 

 

 

The question was about the Playbar, not the Beam.  A minor point perhaps, but if you’re going to get on someone for not reading the question properly, than your point would have more merit if you got it right.  And honestly, I don’t know what you’re getting it by ‘Connect them’ as that’s rather vague...and you can control volume and other functions via an echo dot if setup properly.

 

And the workaround/solution is there, though not really well explained.  You can setup an Alexa group (link provided by Sonos rep) to properly integrate a dot and Sonos room into one physical room.    I don’t use the drop in feature very often, but the few times I have used it, this solution worked just fine.  I don’t know that the Sonos room will automatically mute or duck during the entire call, as I’ve always had the sound off during a call.

 

Sonos support (and this goes for all tech support )

. READ THE QUESTION

ANSWER THE QUESTION

SUGGEST ALTERNATIVES

EXPLAIN WHY YOU CANT DO SOMETHING 

 

in this case you are able to fix this but you don’t (ie allow the echo to control the beam )  but you don’t  WHY  ? 

 

 

 

I’m not sure if you’re saying the Alexa group feature doesn’t provide enough functionality or if you’re unaware of Alexa groups and what they do.

 

Created this account as well to reply to this.

 

it’s incredibly gobsmacking that the Sonos person replied not only with the wrong answer  but didn’t bother to read your query at all.  Neither did the next one,  nor did they bother to guide you in workarounds. Neither did anyone else .

the question was simple.  Beam doesn’t support drop in. Why? Who cares.  The guy just needs to solve a problem. 
answer.  Have an echo next to your beam or in the room.  Connect them to your Sonos speakers. Then TURN The microphone OFF on your Beam.  
Unfortunately this doesn’t allow you to turn the music down or up etc. but allows you to turn it on or off. 

Sonos support (and this goes for all tech support )

. READ THE QUESTION

ANSWER THE QUESTION

SUGGEST ALTERNATIVES

EXPLAIN WHY YOU CANT DO SOMETHING 

 

in this case you are able to fix this but you don’t (ie allow the echo to control the beam )  but you don’t  WHY  ? 

 

 

Agree. The Drop in feature is an absolute essential function. How u only get half of Alexa, when they advertise Amazon Alexa on the packaging. 

Any update Sonos Please??? 

It’s actually an Alexa ‘enabled’ device - not a full echo Alexa product and I suspect Amazon keep some features back to make their own products attractive to purchase too… the primary purpose of Alexa on Sonos is to playback and control the music on the speaker using a voice assistant so I perhaps would not expect to see every echo product feature enabled on Sonos - Our LG TV also came with Alexa enabled, but it does not support every feature that Amazon provides.

Agree. The Drop in feature is an absolute essential function. How u only get half of Alexa, when they advertise Amazon Alexa on the packaging. 

Any update Sonos Please??? 

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What I have done is brought a cheap dot, put next to one of my sonos and using a different wake word to use the drop in feature. While sonos is great for music I don't like having multiple devices in the same area to make my life easier. Sonos doesn't support drop in and music grouping with other echo devices. Thinking about going with the the echo studio. Same price, same sound but more functionality. The smart phone was developed and thrives because it reduces number of devices we carry, time for sonos to understand they need to focus on what makes their customers happy (how long did it take from them to add dobly atomos)

I believe it is time for Sonos to have drop-in functionality. It is something that a great company like Sonos, can easily achieve at least for some of their devices where led are available.

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I’ve been looking at the Amazon development documentation for this “missing” functionality. It is collectively called the “Alexa Voice Service” and one of the requirements is:

 

Devices that support Calling, Messaging, and Announcements must have visual indicators. A sound-only implementation of the ACM attention system states is not permitted.

 

Which suggests that Sonos are not allowed to implement this feature unless they also add some blinky lights to their speakers.

:-(

 

Interesting. I doubt Sonos even bothered reaching out to Amazon about it- if they did they would have explained why it is still not implemented by now. Or else Sonos do not want to say it is impossible to be implemented because customers would go (more) mad if they heard the truth?

 

To me that’s a big feature missing in a big/expensive product.

I’ve been looking at the Amazon development documentation for this “missing” functionality. It is collectively called the “Alexa Voice Service” and one of the requirements is:

 

Devices that support Calling, Messaging, and Announcements must have visual indicators. A sound-only implementation of the ACM attention system states is not permitted.

 

Which suggests that Sonos are not allowed to implement this feature unless they also add some blinky lights to their speakers.

:-(

Surely everyone wants this?


No: I don’t want it, so not everyone. 

I definitely want it, and expected it when I bought an “Alexa-enabled" device.

You need not fear as you will have the choice to not use it, like you can in other “Alexa-enabled" devices. Currently I don't have that choice.

ps: I, like someone else in this thread, joined the forum just to make this post; it's important to people.

 

I wouldn’t hold out much hope for this.  Amazon and Google are going to continuosly add features to their voice assistant.  They can do that due to vast size and huge customer base.  Sonos, on the other hand, will always be playing catch up trying to add features that are not related to their primary purpose of being a music player.  I think Sonos tried to keep up for a while, adding some features here and there, but spend their development efforts on features that enhance music and home theatre experience.

Yes it's important that they focus on this primarily but features like drop in are becoming a must for these kind of devices. It adds a ton of value to them.

Surely everyone wants this?


No: I don’t want it, so not everyone. 

I definitely want it, and expected it when I bought an “Alexa-enabled" device.

You need not fear as you will have the choice to not use it, like you can in other “Alexa-enabled" devices. Currently I don't have that choice.

ps: I, like someone else in this thread, joined the forum just to make this post; it's important to people.

 

I wouldn’t hold out much hope for this.  Amazon and Google are going to continuosly add features to their voice assistant.  They can do that due to vast size and huge customer base.  Sonos, on the other hand, will always be playing catch up trying to add features that are not related to their primary purpose of being a music player.  I think Sonos tried to keep up for a while, adding some features here and there, but spend their development efforts on features that enhance music and home theatre experience.

Surely everyone wants this?


No: I don’t want it, so not everyone. 

I definitely want it, and expected it when I bought an “Alexa-enabled" device.

You need not fear as you will have the choice to not use it, like you can in other “Alexa-enabled" devices. Currently I don't have that choice.

ps: I, like someone else in this thread, joined the forum just to make this post; it's important to people.

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Surely everyone wants this?


No: I don’t want it, so not everyone. 

Why the hold up? Surely everyone wants this? It’s very frustrating not having it

I need drop-in as well the “incoming call” Ringer

Call ringer is there (alexa.amazon.com) but is not working.

 

Agree - just made an account to say I need this. 4 sonos ones and can’t drop in :(

Also really disappointed not to be able to use Drop In feature with my Sonos. I will have to choose a product from another brand with inferior sound quality for my next purchase.

 

Wow - just “upgraded” with 4 new Sonos One’s - had no idea I wouldn’t get “drop in” function with Alexa.  May return them - kind of depressing really...

 

Yup - totally agree; this needs including. 

even if not all customers contact you, there are probably thousands waiting for this feature.
 

best regards to your CS

I created an account literally just so I could agree with this. It is 100% necessary.

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even if not all customers contact you, there are probably thousands waiting for this feature.
 

best regards to your CS

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Don’t expect much. This CS agent doesn’t seem to know much, people have been requesting this for years, don’t think this is going to get resolved. 

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