Lost surround and sub ( after update ?)



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Well I had my first sub and surround dropout with 14.10.  It had been working perfectly but we were watching the Kenobi finale on Apple TV and that worked fine.  Then we started watching the new episode of Ms. Marvel and it worked great until half way through one of our kids came down to talk to us.  We paused it but the conversation went so long that the Apple TV turned off.  TV was still on but Apple TV was off.  Turned Apple TV back on and started the show back up and the sub and surrounds were gone.  Turned off the TV and turned it back on and the sub and surrounds returned.  Doesn't appear like 14.10 fixed all the bugs.  But until that incident tonight it was working.  Still can't trust it 100% like we used to be able to. 

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The fun y thing about the "echo" is the first time I heard it was a scene in Apple TV's Severance.  I dont know if you have seen it, but it is a mystery type show and I actually thought the echo was someone's muffled talking in another room and thought I was catching onto a clue no one else had....sadly when I watched another completely different show and got the "echo" I realized how big of a clown I was.

haha yes I’ve seen it and can totally get it. That show begged you to try and pick out clues and make predictions and something subtle like a faint side conversation could totally contain a big clue. 

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Reading the 14.10 release note again, and thinking about the various differences in how each of us experienced this issue is interesting. I don’t feel like I ever experienced the delay or ‘echo’. Maybe a handful of times (less than 5% of my dropouts) I heard some poor audio that I characterized as a mis-mapping of channels and when restarting the stream to fix, immediately got a dropout. But it sounds like the root cause is the delay (transient processing or buffering glitch of some kind??) which the Sonos system seemed to handle poorly by dropping the satellite channels completely and then not self-healing? I wonder if the fix was more on the processing or buffering side or the handling/healing side. Maybe both? Might also explain why some users (myself included) attributed the issue to higher bit rate stuff like Dolby Mat (higher likelihood of processing strain?). And if the processing glitch was upstream of the Sonos device (TV or streaming box), could explain why some users attributed to Dolby vision or other high bandwidth video formats (sacrifice the audio for sake of video?). Also makes me think back to this thing on Nakamichi website I found:

Dolby Atmos MAT audio playback:

Some content devices output Dolby Atmos audio in "Dolby Atmos MAT" format, a new audio format that adds Dolby Atmos metadata into lossless pulse-code modulation (PCM) audio. The content devices are designed to prioritize internal buffering for high quality video when playing Dolby Atmos MAT contents. Therefore, the buffering process might cause random audio cut-outs. This is reported by various users with content devices that outputting Dolby Atmos MAT format

 Anyway, all just speculation for which we’ll probably never have a definitive answer.

 

The fun y thing about the "echo" is the first time I heard it was a scene in Apple TV's Severance.  I dont know if you have seen it, but it is a mystery type show and I actually thought the echo was someone's muffled talking in another room and thought I was catching onto a clue no one else had....sadly when I watched another completely different show and got the "echo" I realized how big of a clown I was.

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Reading the 14.10 release note again, and thinking about the various differences in how each of us experienced this issue is interesting. I don’t feel like I ever experienced the delay or ‘echo’. Maybe a handful of times (less than 5% of my dropouts) I heard some poor audio that I characterized as a mis-mapping of channels and when restarting the stream to fix, immediately got a dropout. But it sounds like the root cause is the delay (transient processing or buffering glitch of some kind??) which the Sonos system seemed to handle poorly by dropping the satellite channels completely and then not self-healing? I wonder if the fix was more on the processing or buffering side or the handling/healing side. Maybe both? Might also explain why some users (myself included) attributed the issue to higher bit rate stuff like Dolby Mat (higher likelihood of processing strain?). And if the processing glitch was upstream of the Sonos device (TV or streaming box), could explain why some users attributed to Dolby vision or other high bandwidth video formats (sacrifice the audio for sake of video?). Also makes me think back to this thing on Nakamichi website I found:

Dolby Atmos MAT audio playback:

Some content devices output Dolby Atmos audio in "Dolby Atmos MAT" format, a new audio format that adds Dolby Atmos metadata into lossless pulse-code modulation (PCM) audio. The content devices are designed to prioritize internal buffering for high quality video when playing Dolby Atmos MAT contents. Therefore, the buffering process might cause random audio cut-outs. This is reported by various users with content devices that outputting Dolby Atmos MAT format

 Anyway, all just speculation for which we’ll probably never have a definitive answer.

 

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First I want to thank all of you that dilligently tried to troubleshoot the problem, sent in reports and stayed the course. I think Sonos owes you a little something extra. Of course I am happy they have finally fixed the issues but WOW, that was an aweful example of corporate communication. As @skullc mentioned it probably has more to do with the litigious nature of America, but they could have reached out to us individually for some reassurance. The outreach that I received was condescending, blaming me and my setup. This is where Sonos needs to be better...  I don't know if I'm going to continue to be a Sonos user after this experience but at least if I sell my stuff I'm not unloading a broken system. Thanks again everyone for your efforts, and hopefully this thread can now be archived. 

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it definitely seems fixed now. cheers everyone! thank you for commiserating with me and helping to troubleshoot

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Definitely appreciative that this day is here. System is solid finally and actually does sound a bit better to me. I’m happy to longer be gaslit by sonos tech support as well. I bought my arc ht setup a week before 14.6 so pretty much all I’ve ever really known is a non functional sonos system and looking forward to experiencing the reputation I was told about prior to purchasing. 

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Just run the test that always ends up breaking my system.......and the update worked. 

Very happy with this.

 

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Hi @Missionsparta  

We appreciate the fix and you communicating it to us. I'd like to suggest that in the future the company adds some protocol to better communicate with your customers as well as you first level tech support on issues thst appear to be more wide spread. Soooo many of us on here knew we were all experiencing the same issue as well as being aware it wasn't wifi glitch (due to many tests with ethernet connecting, etc), yet were told it was just a hicup as a result of network interference. 

 

For each case submitted by a customer, the Sonos team works on isolating the issue and replicating anything out of the ordinary. We strive to be transparent and accurate in our reporting of an issue and its resolution. In this case, we did not see an increase in reported issues nor were able to reproduce any reported issues that connected to the 14.6 update. 

We do acknowledge that some customers have been experiencing delayed audio or dropouts to surrounds and sub. 14.10 includes targeted improvements on audio synchronization for home theatre surrounds and Subs that will address these customers’ issues.

All is well. System sounds amazing once again. Again, appreciate the help, nobhard feelings, keep up the good work, and be safe. Kudos.

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Hi @Missionsparta  

We appreciate the fix and you communicating it to us. I'd like to suggest that in the future the company adds some protocol to better communicate with your customers as well as you first level tech support on issues thst appear to be more wide spread. Soooo many of us on here knew we were all experiencing the same issue as well as being aware it wasn't wifi glitch (due to many tests with ethernet connecting, etc), yet were told it was just a hicup as a result of network interference. 

 

For each case submitted by a customer, the Sonos team works on isolating the issue and replicating anything out of the ordinary. We strive to be transparent and accurate in our reporting of an issue and its resolution. In this case, we did not see an increase in reported issues nor were able to reproduce any reported issues that connected to the 14.6 update. 

We do acknowledge that some customers have been experiencing delayed audio or dropouts to surrounds and sub. 14.10 includes targeted improvements on audio synchronization for home theatre surrounds and Subs that will address these customers’ issues.

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 Hi @ainsley002 & @Missionsparta 

I do, think, however, that just a couple of sentences on where this problem appears to have originated from i.e. what actually has been the cause of the echoing / dropping out, would be appreciated. 

I really wish they would tell us what they fixed/changed after all of this...with as big of a head ache as this has caused and the amount of time I've seen some of you soend on this, I am extremely curious what it ended up being.

 

We are continuously working on ways to improve the experience for our customers.

While not related to the 14.6 update, 14.10 includes targeted improvements on audio synchronization for home theatre surrounds and Subs that will address some customers’ issues with delayed audio or dropouts to surrounds and sub

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My surrounds just had more power to them and I have not increased the levels at all. Made me wonder if the issue had affected me without dropping the sound completely?

 

It does seem that my surrounds (2 x Play 1s) have more coming from them than before. Could be my imagination, but lots of people on here saying the same thing…

 

Anyway, it all sounds great now!

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My surrounds just had more power to them and I have not increased the levels at all. Made me wonder if the issue had affected me without dropping the sound completely?

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@Frank Smith - Mine even sounded better last night and I didn’t even have the drop outs 😄

I thought the same!

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I doubt we will ever get an explanation due to the American litigation scene and the liking for class actions they seem to love doing

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@Frank Smith - Mine even sounded better last night and I didn’t even have the drop outs 😄

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Now that we’re all back up and running, doesn't the SONOS system sound great?!  haha… “Update Automatically” = OFF.  

As mentioned previously, this community thread played a BIG role in the issue being resolved so to all, thanks again!

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I’m sure 99% of people who have been on this thread have stuck with it and given Sonos the benefit of the doubt, despite the frustration, because faults like this are extremely rare and we love the products.

I do, think, however, that just a couple of sentences on where this problem appears to have originated from i.e. what actually has been the cause of the echoing / dropping out, would be appreciated. 

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Hello all,

Today, we released a software update (14.10) that includes targeted improvements on audio synchronization for home theater surrounds and Subs. If you have been experiencing delayed audio or dropouts to your surrounds or sub, this update should address your issue. We encourage you to update your system to the latest software release and to retest your system. 

If you continue to experience issues after this upgrade, please contact Sonos Support so we can help identify your specific issue and work to resolve it. 

Thank you for your continued engagement with the Sonos community. We understand any disruption to your experience is frustrating.  The Sonos team is committed to resolving any issue you experience so you can continue to enjoy your music and listening in the seamless manner you should expect.

We appreciate the fix and you communicating it to us. I'd like to suggest that in the future the company adds some protocol to better communicate with your customers as well as you first level tech support on issues thst appear to be more wide spread. Soooo many of us on here knew we were all experiencing the same issue as well as being aware it wasn't wifi glitch (due to many tests with ethernet connecting, etc), yet were told it was just a hicup as a result of network interference. Hell, I was told on the one call that I was misunderstanding what a sub was, what it does, and what the sound of bass should sounded like. When there is a mass group like this, the first level tech should be able to see that this is an larger issue and in order to properly collect the data they should be pushed through to the next level where they could possibly be hooked up with someone who was aware. I'm pretty sure the data I was trying to send you guys was swept under the rug and labeled as solved by the entry level support techs. Again, we do appreciate the fix though. I bought into the Sonos system because of articles and word of mouth about hiw rock solid the systems were. Hopefully that continues to be the case. Have a safe day.

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After installing the latest patch and transfer my full SONOS theatre system to the BOOST, everything works perfect till now and no surround/sub drop when switch between my PS5, TV and Netflix! That’s great! SONOS should just admit that their patch cocked up and caused users much agony and anger, and also assure us there will be a fix and that will calm the ppl down, instead of pushing the blame to the users and find fault on our network. Their service support sux as well and I am like talking to a broken repetitive robot. Think to play safe, I will disable the update for future patches before this s**t happens again. So far so good and hope it stays this way! Good luck fellow SONOS users.

 

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Perfect. 

Just in time for Doctor Strange 2 on Disney+ :) 

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It was probably just in my mind, and I didn’t experience the original issue as I have a Beam, but I swear last night, that watching a 5.1 film on Disney sounded much better than of late! The surrounds really rocked and honestly sounded better than they have in a while (even though I didn’t actually lose the sound completely before)

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I’m so pleased this is finally sorted. I’ve got a pile of new Blu-rays to catch up on now!

 

Thanks to everyone on this group who a) made me realise I wasn’t alone in having this problem, and b) spent time fault-testing and submitting diagnostics to get this fixed.

 

I’m still waiting for those surrounds to drop at any moment - I think it’s mild PTSD...

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Hello all,

Today, we released a software update (14.10) that includes targeted improvements on audio synchronization for home theater surrounds and Subs. If you have been experiencing delayed audio or dropouts to your surrounds or sub, this update should address your issue. We encourage you to update your system to the latest software release and to retest your system. 

If you continue to experience issues after this upgrade, please contact Sonos Support so we can help identify your specific issue and work to resolve it. 

Thank you for your continued engagement with the Sonos community. We understand any disruption to your experience is frustrating.  The Sonos team is committed to resolving any issue you experience so you can continue to enjoy your music and listening in the seamless manner you should expect.

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So excited to update and not have to think about this anymore