When using the pre-outs of the ZonePlayer into a receiver or Pre/pro, and then having that unit process the signal in any way that requires digitizing the input, there is obviously a slight delay. Using the speaker outputs of the zoneplayer in an area close by results in the dreaded "echo" effect.
Most receivers (newer/better) have adjustable delay, but it doesn't do any good in this case, as the signal is already delayed too much.
If the zoneplayer had a programmable / adjustable delay for the speaker output only, you could utilize the built in amplifier (which is actually quite good, by my ears.)
This would be a VERY usefull addition.
- Thanks
Chris
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+1
been asking for this for ages
been asking for this for ages
Same here, so I guess it won't happen. 😮
Which is a shame in this day and age of AVRs, external DACs and similar.. I see a potential Kickstarter project on a simple "digital delay unit", DIY and fully assembled 🆒
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+1 for me - I notice when I run my Bose through the connect an odd echo in the house when the rest of the house is running Play 5's
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+1 from me. This is crucial as I use a Sonos Play:5 and home theatre speakers in the same small apartment.
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+1 for me.
+1 from me too
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+1 for per-device manual delay option
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+1 from me
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+1 definetely! It's actually bad move to advertise that you can connect Sonos to your stereos, but then you can't play them at the same time without echoes...
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+1 from me
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+1 form me too
zone player 3 in kitchen
connect + yamaha soundbar (ysp 2200) in livingroom
zone player 3 in kitchen
connect + yamaha soundbar (ysp 2200) in livingroom
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+1
I have 7 zones that syncs perfectly in partymode and 1 zone out of zync (sonos connect + Yamaha YSP4000).
This is NOT good sonos. You lose reputation with issues like this (and yes I know the problem is within the YSP amp. but you can fix it)
I have 7 zones that syncs perfectly in partymode and 1 zone out of zync (sonos connect + Yamaha YSP4000).
This is NOT good sonos. You lose reputation with issues like this (and yes I know the problem is within the YSP amp. but you can fix it)
I have 7 zones that syncs perfectly in partymode and 1 zone out of zync (sonos connect + Yamaha YSP4000).
This is NOT good sonos. You lose reputation with issues like this (and yes I know the problem is within the YSP amp. but you can fix it)
Doesn't it logically follow that if "the problem is within the YSP amp" it should be Yamaha's job to "fix it?"
.... and then Sonos changed the game when they announced their own sound bar and home theatre solution. By the time you add together the cost of the Sonos sound bar, a pair of Play 3:'s and a sub to get 5.1 your wallet may be screaming though. :)
I wonder what it would sound like though?
I wonder what it would sound like though?
I wonder what it would sound like though?
From the initial reviews, it sounds extremely good.
Most importantly, in either mode, it sounds great. Music has a surprising degree of precision, with vocals coming through clearly in the center while the rest of the soundstage has a spread that belies the placing of the speakers. Movies, meanwhile, go even further: the virtual surround you get with the PLAYBAR alone is impressively effective, and the bass has some decent thump to it (given the limitations of the 36 x 5.5 x 3.4 inch footprint and the speakers Sonos has been able to fit), but group it up with a couple of PLAY:3 rear channels and the SUB, and it’s both incredibly loud and precise.
http://www.slashgear.com/sonos-playbar-hands-on-your-tv-audio-gets-clever-12268911/
Whether we were listening to Pink Floyd or watching a clip from Super 8, the Playbar delivered the high fidelity audio we've come to expect from Sonos. Speaking and singing voices are replicated faithfully, and the unit shines in the high and mid range. While it provides very tight, clean bass by itself, we found that the Playbar benefitted greatly from the presence of a Sonos Sub. With the sub, movie sound effects had a much richer, theater-like sound, and bass-heavy tunes got some welcome low-end punch. That's not to say the Playbar doesn't sound good solo, it's just that the experience was significantly improved when the Sub was added into the mix.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/12/sonos-playbar-home-theater-soundbar/
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I need this delay adjustment as well...funny thing is...it used to be an option a long time ago....I didn't need it at the time, but have upgraded all my receivers to the super-cool stuff that is out now. I can't play/group any DSP equipped rooms with any of the stand alone units due to the delay.
Come on Sonos, give us a delay adjustment!!!!!
Come on Sonos, give us a delay adjustment!!!!!
Come on Sonos, give us a delay adjustment!!!!!
When was it ever an option? I believe you are mistaken there.
+1 for me, onnkyo 705 has delay. Even the squeezbox had this!
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+1 from me too.
I have four Sonos devices around the house that I used to love. Having invested in an AV receiver and good quality speakers for the living room I'm finding the Sonos really frustrating. There is a constant echo between this room and the next due to the fact the Yamaha RX-A1010 is several ms behind everything else.
I guess Sonos are generating all their profit from speakers at the moment, so it's not in their interest to enable us to use better speakers. A shame, because the genius behind the product is not the speaker itself
I have four Sonos devices around the house that I used to love. Having invested in an AV receiver and good quality speakers for the living room I'm finding the Sonos really frustrating. There is a constant echo between this room and the next due to the fact the Yamaha RX-A1010 is several ms behind everything else.
I guess Sonos are generating all their profit from speakers at the moment, so it's not in their interest to enable us to use better speakers. A shame, because the genius behind the product is not the speaker itself
+1 from me too. Apparently the new Playbar has a lipsync function for adjusting the time delay. So if they can adjust the time on the playbar with other sonos units (such as play3's in surround sound and the Sub) then they can do it for the AV Receivers out there too. Actually quite angry at this failure from Sonos and it is their fault (not the AV Receiver manufacturers) as Sonos made and sold a product that is supposed to be compatible with AV Receivers and in turn compatible with their other products, and it turns out, it's not!
+1. I love my Sonos system (3x Play:5 and 2x Connect), but the Sonos speakers don't come close to the sound quality of my main Rotel/Dynaudio combo with a Connect box.
Without delay compensation on the 5's I'm getting fustrated enough that I might sell the lot and run wires and speakers throughout the house instead.
Come on guys, this has been an open request since 2005 (according to this thread...) and it isn't that difficult to fix in software
Without delay compensation on the 5's I'm getting fustrated enough that I might sell the lot and run wires and speakers throughout the house instead.
Come on guys, this has been an open request since 2005 (according to this thread...) and it isn't that difficult to fix in software
Without delay compensation on the 5's I'm getting fustrated enough that I might sell the lot and run wires and speakers throughout the house instead.
Come on guys, this has been an open request since 2005 (according to this thread...) and it isn't that difficult to fix in software
Other than my Play5, all my cables are hom erun, but I still want delay option as my HT speakers have delays for surround so when standing where I can here the HT speakers and kitchen speakers they are out of sync. I need to put the same delay on my Sonos so it's in Sync with receiver
So I'm waiting on the delivery of a Playbar and while doing a bit of research I came across this:
http://forums.sonos.com/showthread.php?t=33830&highlight=lip-sync
and so immediately returned to this evergreen thread (actually first checked my remote to see if it was an option that had been slipped into ver 4 software, no).
I sincerely hope now that the feature has actually been CODED and RELEASED that Sonos will correct this idiocy and apply it to the connect as well.
Can someone who's used this feature in the Playbar confirm how the lipsync works? I'd venture to guess that unlike the lipsync setting on a TV or Receiver, the sonos can only DELAY the sound, since it has no control over the video. So it probably works best in cases where the audio comes straight from a component and not from the TV (since I wouldn't think a TV would send audio SOONER than it's showing the accompanying video).
What we need for the CONNECT issue is more or less the same thing but for all the OTHER zones. We need every zone EXCEPT the connect to slow down to account for what's happening in the receiver.
http://forums.sonos.com/showthread.php?t=33830&highlight=lip-sync
and so immediately returned to this evergreen thread (actually first checked my remote to see if it was an option that had been slipped into ver 4 software, no).
I sincerely hope now that the feature has actually been CODED and RELEASED that Sonos will correct this idiocy and apply it to the connect as well.
Can someone who's used this feature in the Playbar confirm how the lipsync works? I'd venture to guess that unlike the lipsync setting on a TV or Receiver, the sonos can only DELAY the sound, since it has no control over the video. So it probably works best in cases where the audio comes straight from a component and not from the TV (since I wouldn't think a TV would send audio SOONER than it's showing the accompanying video).
What we need for the CONNECT issue is more or less the same thing but for all the OTHER zones. We need every zone EXCEPT the connect to slow down to account for what's happening in the receiver.
Buzz, I am an authorized SONOS dealer and user. The idea isn't to remove the digital processing from the receiver by switching modes; it's to add a delay into the SONOS zone player to be able to continue using the DSP in the receiver without sync problems. If I bypass the receivers DSP using direct or pure settings on the receiver, I'm losing my sub woofer and enhanced sounds for that zone that sometimes I and others enjoy. I'm also frustrating my customers because they need to switch between sound formats when grouping zones as opposed to listening to the single zone. This makes no sense to my customers who barely know how to use a universal remote, never mind the settings on a receiver.
johnrist,
I'm trying to work through how this delay compensation might work. Since the follow-on equipment, in your case a YAMAHA receiver, is adding its own delay, SONOS would need to add a negative delay. SONOS cannot know the receiver's delay, which might vary by program type. The SONOS system would need to delay the other SONOS units, not the unit wired to the YAMAHA. While I'm not sure if SONOS could devise a timing adjustment scheme that your customers could work with, if the receiver timing changes and the system timing is skewed (again!), customers will blame you or the SONOS system.
I'm trying to work through how this delay compensation might work. Since the follow-on equipment, in your case a YAMAHA receiver, is adding its own delay, SONOS would need to add a negative delay. SONOS cannot know the receiver's delay, which might vary by program type. The SONOS system would need to delay the other SONOS units, not the unit wired to the YAMAHA. While I'm not sure if SONOS could devise a timing adjustment scheme that your customers could work with, if the receiver timing changes and the system timing is skewed (again!), customers will blame you or the SONOS system.
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