can we please get dts hd and dts x it is 2022 afterall
hi just touching on this which im sure has already been asked plenty of times, but can we just get dts hd and dts x already it seems crazy to me to think a system that can cost up to and over 1500 hasnt the ability to play these modern formats, when you could pick up a standard av receiver for about 300 pound which would support all the mentioned formats
I have found myself more times than enough now sitting down to watch a film and simply getting mute audio just because it is in dts hd or dts x and quite alot of the time this is when i have friends and family over so it isnt a good look for the sonos brand that it cant produce sound for these types of movies or tv shows
it is somnething that could quite easily be achieved since yous went and enabled dts standard after not supporting it, i feel if yous want to be seen as the go to soundbars yous then have to make sure its the go to for audio formats also which currently it isnt dont get me wrong the sonos eco system and products are fantastic and i love my setup but to do dts but not go as far as offering dts hd or dts x is just lazy
They seem quite deaf on this argument, In time they will loose customers.
Or they're adding it in Arc gen 2 and therefore don't wanna add it to the original Arc so that customers have (another) reason to upgrade.
Lol, no need for the hostility. They added DTS cause the license was literally free
Hostility? I was just offering historical evidence that your accusation is unfounded. If you find that hostile, you need some thicker skin.
You're offering one example where Sonos added an outdated (and license free) codec, something people had been asking for it since the playbar. The situation is a bit different when it comes to the DTS formats still under license, ie. the cost of a retrofit would likely be much higher (especially if rolling it out as a general update). One solution has been outlined here several times: allow the users who want it to pay for the upgrade. Low cost to Sonos (could possibly even make a little change, depending on pricing), users who need it get it, and those who don't want it are unaffected.
I can understand to a certain degree why they didn't add it to begin with (mostly cost) but not adding it as a paid retrofit option doesn't make sense to me.
Fully agree.
Possibilities like
Hardware incapable of processing codec
codec requires more bandwidth than optical can carry
Huge time investment needed to add codec, very small percentage of customers interested, making cost versus profitability questionable
lingering potential legal issues
?
I don’t think anyone is gainsaying your desire, just that there may be issues that we’re not privy to that make this potentially not quite as easy as may be expected. And no, I don’t know if any of those are valid in this case, but it took about 10 seconds to think of those potential reasons…there could be more. I don’t work for Sonos.
Possibilities like
Hardware incapable of processing codec
codec requires more bandwidth than optical can carry
Huge time investment needed to add codec, very small percentage of customers interested, making cost versus profitability questionable
lingering potential legal issues
?
I don’t think anyone is gainsaying your desire, just that there may be issues that we’re not privy to that make this potentially not quite as easy as may be expected. And no, I don’t know if any of those are valid in this case, but it took about 10 seconds to think of those potential reasons…there could be more. I don’t work for Sonos.
3 is obviously true: optical cannot pass the more advanced DTS codecs but that only affects the Ray, the Playbar/Playbase are no longer sold.
This request is only valid for the Beam Gen 2 and the Arc, although it seems this is not clear to some.
Correct, optical can't pass high bandwidth codecs like DTS:X but the products with eARC should have more than enough overhead. Here's a nice diagram techhive made that shows the differences easily if anyone is in doubt:
This request is only valid for the Beam Gen 2 and the Arc
...and (more importantly?) future Home Theatre products. I’m hoping the next generation of Amp will process eARC, although I have some higher priority feature requests there.
I can see why DTS:X support would be desirable - the Jason Bourne UHD Bluray mixes make noticeably more use of the overhead channels than Atmos content does on my AVR setup. However, I’m not convinced my Beam 2 setup is capable of delivering that difference with its speaker set, maybe the ARC can though.
As it stands, unless LG also back port their DTS feature enhancement to C1/A1 generation I won’t be finding out for quite some time.
DTS support was something that I found extremely annoying, SONOS not willing to pay the measly $1 per device fee in years gone by; when every other vendor can and did ‘afford’ this license! …all the devils advocates on here would discredit anybody that dared insinuate DTS was required
Most of my 300+ Blurays were DTS formats….and since I went SONOS to appease my family with ease of use, they are now in a box (for charity or sale) so I’d forgotten about this DTS conundrum
Lets hope SONOS listen to customers for a change
DTS support was something that I found extremely annoying, SONOS not willing to pay the measly $1 per device fee in years gone by; when every other vendor can and did ‘afford’ this license! …all the devils advocates on here would discredit anybody that dared insinuate DTS was required
Most of my 300+ Blurays were DTS formats….and since I went SONOS to appease my family with ease of use, they are now in a box (for charity or sale) so I’d forgotten about this DTS conundrum
Lets hope SONOS listen to customers for a change
Why did you get rid of your DTS-encoded discs? Just set your Blu-ray player to convert DTS to Multichannel PCM. This is what I do with all of my DTS discs and it sounds great.
This is not the way to go. We are talking about a principle not a work around to solve the problem. Sonos only want to sell new products (very expensive too) and will not care about customers. I will never buy a Sonos product again and am not recommending them to my friends. It is not the DTS HD MA or DTS X problem but the way Sonos act towards the customers.
Happy that you are happy.
The theme of this discussion is not this.
I have ripped BluRay disks from my personal library including Atmos, DTS-HD and DTS-X which I play from my Nvidia Shield Pro 2019 using a Sonos Arc, Sub, and 2x surround One speakers. I do not have a working BluRay player, hence the Shield.
DTS-HD/DTS-X passed through as Multichannel PCM 5.1 sound comparatively nowhere near as good as Atmos files. Lacklustre, and the volume needs to be increased to 90% (!!) on the Arc for borderline satisfactory results.
I am extremely irritated that Sonos have not included all modern codecs, and though I love what the soundbar does do well, poor business decisions by Sonos limit the full potential of this home theatre setup in many use cases. This is a premium product and should have such features if only by principle - the system I own is being sold at 2300 euros - there are soundbars out there for 300 pounds which support DTS lossless codecs!!
I am a Sonos fanboy usually, but this is poor. I haven’t said anything that someone hasn’t said before, but it’s important to make your voice heard.
I would be happier paying to use the codecs as a one-off purchase model, as long as the option is there!! Not that I would be happy with this, but it would be better than dropping 250 pounds on a HDFury Arcana, for example.
@Corry P
Thank you for this considered response. I am aware that different media management apps will manage these codecs with varying degrees of success - I am using Kodi for playback. With my current settings, I was aiming to have Kodi processing DTS-HD / DTS-X codecs into LPCM 5.1, but playing these results in the Sonos app saying I am getting Multichannel PCM 5.1 through. To be honest I am fairly new to this, and I’m not even sure if LPCM 5.1 is the same thing as Multichannel PCM 5.1 even after a little bit of research
I will try running these same files through Emby/Plex and seeing what the result is, that does seems sensible. Kodi can be temperamental a lot of the time.
The difference between lossy Dolby Digital(+) and lossless Dolby Atmos / DTS-HD is night and day to me, and I would really appreciate these being more plug and play rather than fiddling around with Shield, choice of playback app, and Sonos settings. My TV can passthrough DTS no problem, to be honest I have become confused over which settings in the Shield to enable or disable (i.e Dolby sound processing, Kodi passthrough, Kodi 2.0/5.1 channels etc) and it just seems as though the Arc supporting the codecs makes more sense in the long-run, or to purchase a different system that natively supports the codecs.
I did not know about remuxing audio files into supported formats! This is very interesting information to know and I will be doing some looking into this. :)
hi just touching on this which im sure has already been asked plenty of times, but can we just get dts hd and dts x already it seems crazy to me to think a system that can cost up to and over 1500 hasnt the ability to play these modern formats, when you could pick up a standard av receiver for about 300 pound which would support all the mentioned formats
I have found myself more times than enough now sitting down to watch a film and simply getting mute audio just because it is in dts hd or dts x and quite alot of the time this is when i have friends and family over so it isnt a good look for the sonos brand that it cant produce sound for these types of movies or tv shows
it is somnething that could quite easily be achieved since yous went and enabled dts standard after not supporting it, i feel if yous want to be seen as the go to soundbars yous then have to make sure its the go to for audio formats also which currently it isnt dont get me wrong the sonos eco system and products are fantastic and i love my setup but to do dts but not go as far as offering dts hd or dts x is just lazy
I know Sonos defenders talk about how it’s a niche Codec with Blu-ray’s a small part of the market and it’s a business decision etc etc… That’s nonsense though since all of their main competitors offer full DTS support, DTS-X & Neural X upmix; such as, Sony, LG, Samsung & I believe the JBL… Those brands also offer full DTS support for their mid tier soundbars as well.
At $2,400 the new Sonos lacking DTS-X is just silly since they could clearly put the additional costs on the consumer & would not affect sales one bit at that price point. Instead it would add a small percentage of sales. I’m ranting because it’s a missed opportunity, the Sonos Ultimate is the only soundbar I’ve listened too that can give spatial height & does so with a nicely matched crossover. Samsung 990C is about a thousand dollars cheaper with full DTS support & sounds excellent. Sonos seams to have a little more articulation with dialogue idk if they have mid range tweeters similar to Nakamichi? Anyways rant over… haha you’re spot on though! Lacking 2.1 HDMI inputs, DTS-X, and at least a basic room calibration on any flagship multi channel soundbar system is just dumb…
