can we please get dts hd and dts x it is 2022 afterall

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hi just touching on this which im sure has already been asked plenty of times, but can we just get dts hd and dts x already it seems crazy to me to think a system that can cost up to and over 1500 hasnt the ability to play these modern formats, when you could pick up a standard av receiver for about 300 pound which would support all the mentioned formats

I have found myself more times than enough now sitting down to watch a film and simply getting mute audio just because it is in dts hd or dts x and quite alot of the time this is when i have friends and family over so it isnt a good look for the sonos brand that it cant produce sound for these types of movies or tv shows

it is somnething that could quite easily be achieved since yous went and enabled dts standard after not supporting it, i feel if yous want to be seen as the go to soundbars yous then have to make sure its the go to for audio formats also which currently it isnt dont get me wrong the sonos eco system and products are fantastic and i love my setup but to do dts but not go as far as offering dts hd or dts x is just lazy

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I’m wondering what the point is of adding DTS HD or DTS X support. Or even regular DTS for that matter: most newer TV’s from popular brands don’t support it any longer (also not passthrough).

For example LG’s and Samsung TV’s don’t anymore - so even if you’re Sonos would support it, it would be useless for most people.

 

many blurays only have dts hd or dts x as an audio option and blu rays are of course the best way to watch movies for the quality so this is why it is important to atleast some of us out there who would like to have both best picture and audio possible to them 

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Hi @daryld1988 

Thanks for your post!

I've marked this thread as a feature request and it will be seen by the relevant teams for consideration.

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to do dts but not go as far as offering dts hd or dts x is just lazy

It’s called a business decision. 

poor 1 at that to support the most outdated version of dts while it is welcomed that they added it surely it wouldnt take much as some suggested even a small liscencing fee to pay in the app to add it i know myself and plenty others would happily do this

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And I'd like to add: like others, I'm willing to pay for the upgrade. 

Ken_Griffiths

I don't think a muti million dollar company like sonos should have any issues covering the cost. 

I guess that could mean there is no real ‘incentive’ for Sonos to introduce these things then. I don’t need the DTS-X/HQ codecs personally speaking, particularly if it might mean that product costs will go up in the future to recoup the cost of the DTS licence fee, whereas if those who wanted the codecs were prepared to pay for them, then that might have helped encourage Sonos to perhaps introduce these things, but it still strikes me that those who want the codec seem to not want to pay for the service.

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its not just sonos as bose have took a similar approach along with various tv brands

There is a good reason for this… and it isn’t because of “laziness”.

yeah and the reason is because customers asked for it thats the reason, so sonos decided to go half measure and add dts when they could have added the whole dts range which is where the laziness part comes from

 

They likely added DTS support because the patent expired, so there were no licensing issues/costs involved.

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Hi @daryld1988 

Thanks for your post!

I've marked this thread as a feature request and it will be seen by the relevant teams for consideration.

Please, Please, Please Bring DTS X Most of my Movie collection are in DTS, X 

 

can we please get dts hd and dts x it is 2022 afterall

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I literally only signed up to the forum to say that I would also like this feature to be added. Please Sonos, it is 2023 afterall 😉

Me too ^^ It is time to add dts:x support Sonos!

Ken_Griffiths

many blurays only have dts hd or dts x as an audio option and blu rays are of course the best way to watch movies for the quality so this is why it is important to atleast some of us out there who would like to have both best picture and audio possible to them

I think you are perhaps referring to the older Blu-ray movies, these days they appear mainly to have a Dolby Digital TrueHD (w or w/o Atmos) audio track, which the Arc/Beam g2 will happily play.

That said, I too would like the option to make a ‘one-off’ payment for the DTS HQ/X codecs to be added which then help to cover any development/licensing costs.

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DTS HD & DTS X would be amazing. Like 60% of my physical media collections would have new life breathed into it! Imagine if sonos made this happen for Christmas 2022. Wouldn't that be incredible. 

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Given that most other soundbars that are much less expensive than sonos support DTS:X, sonos should have no issues covering the cost. 

Ken_Griffiths

Given that most other soundbars that are much less expensive than sonos support DTS:X, sonos should have no issues covering the cost. 

But those soundbars you have mentioned likely had the licence fees built into their overall price before purchase.

Sonos must have many thousands, if not millions, of Home Theatre products that they’ve already released without the licence fee included and they will need to pay for those too, I guess? - so how much should we pay? I wonder if a monthly subscription might be cheaper, perhaps and just those that want it, should pay the fee.

ratty

to do dts but not go as far as offering dts hd or dts x is just lazy

It’s called a business decision. Unfortunately nothing is cost-free.

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I’ll also willing to pay for the feature/license. Would love to get DTS:X tracks off of my blu-rays. 

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If DTS:X is important, then the Sonos system may not be the system to buy.

There are plenty of remastered in 4K UHD blu-rays coming out in DTS: X, not Dolby Atmos but many of the new 4K UHD Blu-rays seem to be coming out mostly as Dolby Atmos ( but not all)...so clearly a trend, at least for now. Let’s see if IMax format with DTS: X (object based audio) increases its footprint on physical discs going forward or not.

I have a double whammy DTS: X block situation in that my LG TV doesn’t support any type of DTS even with the Sonos Arc now supporting DTS base codec but apparently not DTS license and the Sonos ARC only has one HDMI port, so no bypassing the TV with the Sonos Arc for DTS or true DTS:X. At least I can pass through LCPM 5.1/7.1 for DTS: HD Blu-rays, but I don't think that includes object based audio from DTS:X 

Next week I’m picking up the Sony HT-A9 with a Sub and will compare with my Sonos Arc 5.1.2. The HT-A9 supports all these sound formats and provides an additional two rear up firing speakers for a total of four up firing speakers. 4.1.4 w/ sub AND a second HDMI port so I can bypass my DTS blocking TV! Very excited to compare these systems. 

Otherwise, I really enjoy the Sonos 5.1.2 Dolby Atmos and 5.1 and do hope that one day Sonos provides up firing rear surrounds too. But seems like Sonos is spending its new product resources these days on miniature sound devices with lots of color choices 🙃 so who knows if and when we will ever see ARC compatible up-firing rear surround speakers and Sonos ARC support for DTS:X license. I’m thinking we will never see a second HDMI port on any new ARC sound bar. 

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many blurays only have dts hd or dts x as an audio option and blu rays are of course the best way to watch movies for the quality so this is why it is important to atleast some of us out there who would like to have both best picture and audio possible to them

I think you are perhaps referring to the older Blu-ray movies, these days they appear mainly to have a Dolby Digital TrueHD (w or w/o Atmos) audio track, which the Arc/Beam g2 will happily play.

That said, I too would like the option to make a ‘one-off’ payment for the DTS HQ/X codecs to be added which then help to cover any development/licensing costs.

I started amassing my blu-ray collection at the start of the pandemic.  I have (happily) invested a lot and probably will hit about 1,000 titles by the end of 2022.  Some people blow money on cars and vacations, for me its been blu-rays.😂.  Anyway, roughly 60% of my movies are either DTS-HD or DTS:X.  For more than a year now, in particular, my purchases have been mostly of new releases, meaning titles that up until now were not offered in blu-ray format.  While it’s true that newly produced movies distributed in the blu-ray format usually include dolby as the audio format, more often than not, existing titles that are newly released in the blu-ray format include DTS-HD as the audio format.  They just do.  And these existing titles are still a big part of the market for new blu-ray releases, which is apparent from sites like www.blu-ray.com.  That won’t be case forever, but that is the reality today.

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many blurays only have dts hd or dts x as an audio option and blu rays are of course the best way to watch movies for the quality so this is why it is important to atleast some of us out there who would like to have both best picture and audio possible to them

I think you are perhaps referring to the older Blu-ray movies, these days they appear mainly to have a Dolby Digital TrueHD (w or w/o Atmos) audio track, which the Arc/Beam g2 will happily play.

That said, I too would like the option to make a ‘one-off’ payment for the DTS HQ/X codecs to be added which then help to cover any development/licensing costs.

I started amassing my blu-ray collection at the start of the pandemic.  I have (happily) invested a lot and probably will hit about 1,000 titles by the end of 2022.  Some people blow money on cars and vacations, for me its been blu-rays.😂.  Anyway, roughly 60% of my movies are either DTS-HD or DTS:X.  For more than a year now, in particular, my purchases have been mostly of new releases, meaning titles that up until now were not offered in blu-ray format.  While it’s true that newly produced movies distributed in the blu-ray format usually include dolby as the audio format, more often than not, existing titles that are newly released in the blu-ray format include DTS-HD as the audio format.  They just do.  And these existing titles are still a big part of the market for new blu-ray releases, which is apparent from sites like www.blu-ray.com.  That won’t be case forever, but that is the reality today.

I wrote that I will be picking up the HT-A9 to compare with my Sonos next week but I just realized I am scheduled pick it up in a few days 🥳. I have plenty of DTS:X object based audio 4K UHD blu-ray's to test and compare between the two systems. And like you wrote there appear to be many others with lots of DTS:X/HD content as well.  With LCPM pass through on my Sonos I don't think I am hearing DTS:X object based audio but surely DTS and DTS: HD via LCPM pass through, which sounds pretty good on the Sonos. This is something I will be paying close attention to during the comparison of both systems in my own environment. Of course hoping to hear what .4 vs .2 can do for Dolby Atmos as well.

I have no idea why some major brands abandoned DTS. Sony OTOH seems to be promoting DTS right along side Dolby. Not sure if its a license expense thing for the other brands or maybe DTS doesn't want to proliferate so much in the consumer market? I've read Dolby Atmos is easier to compress for streaming purposes which I have found to sound very good with Sonos. I know streaming is getting better and better, but also all the major studios continue to produce plenty of physical discs globally with both DTS and Dolby.

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You're offering one example where Sonos added an outdated (and license free) codec, something people had been asking for it since the playbar. The situation is a bit different when it comes to the DTS formats still under license, ie. the cost of a retrofit would likely be much higher (especially if rolling it out as a general update). One solution has been outlined here several times: allow the users who want it to pay for the upgrade. Low cost to Sonos (could possibly even make a little change, depending on pricing), users who need it get it, and those who don't want it are unaffected. 

I can understand to a certain degree why they didn't add it to begin with (mostly cost) but not adding it as a paid retrofit option doesn't make sense to me.

Ken_Griffiths

It’s all well and good having DTS, but if the only way to get it relies on either 1. your TV downgrading it if you don’t want surround on other inputs, or 2. your Blu Ray player downgrading all DTS and Dolby audio no matter what (making you lose things like Dolby Atmos)……...then what’s the point of having DTS in the first place?

Please, @Sonos , even if you didn’t support DTS-HD/X, at least a feature which knows to downgrade the audio automatically when it’s not supported?

You don’t lose Dolby TrueHD (Atmos), it’s just a case that DTS-HD/X isn’t directly supported on Sonos. So just let your blu-ray player transcode the lossless DTS audio to Mc-LPCM instead and leave eARC enabled for all the playing audio.

jgatie

Happy that you are happy.

The theme of this discussion is not this.

 

The theme is support for DTS HD and DTS X.  @GuitarSuperstar has every right as you to post here, especially since he addressed a way that will support DTS HD disks, instead of some anthropomorphic nonsense on how a faceless corporation is supposed to "act".

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many blurays only have dts hd or dts x as an audio option and blu rays are of course the best way to watch movies for the quality so this is why it is important to atleast some of us out there who would like to have both best picture and audio possible to them

I think you are perhaps referring to the older Blu-ray movies, these days they appear mainly to have a Dolby Digital TrueHD (w or w/o Atmos) audio track, which the Arc/Beam g2 will happily play.

That said, I too would like the option to make a ‘one-off’ payment for the DTS HQ/X codecs to be added which then help to cover any development/licensing costs.

I started amassing my blu-ray collection at the start of the pandemic.  I have (happily) invested a lot and probably will hit about 1,000 titles by the end of 2022.  Some people blow money on cars and vacations, for me its been blu-rays.😂.  Anyway, roughly 60% of my movies are either DTS-HD or DTS:X.  For more than a year now, in particular, my purchases have been mostly of new releases, meaning titles that up until now were not offered in blu-ray format.  While it’s true that newly produced movies distributed in the blu-ray format usually include dolby as the audio format, more often than not, existing titles that are newly released in the blu-ray format include DTS-HD as the audio format.  They just do.  And these existing titles are still a big part of the market for new blu-ray releases, which is apparent from sites like www.blu-ray.com.  That won’t be case forever, but that is the reality today.

I wrote that I will be picking up the HT-A9 to compare with my Sonos next week but I just realized I am scheduled pick it up in a few days 🥳. I have plenty of DTS:X object based audio 4K UHD blu-ray's to test and compare between the two systems. And like you wrote there appear to be many others with lots of DTS:X/HD content as well.  With LCPM pass through on my Sonos I don't think I am hearing DTS:X object based audio but surely DTS and DTS: HD via LCPM pass through, which sounds pretty good on the Sonos. This is something I will be paying close attention to during the comparison of both systems in my own environment. Of course hoping to hear what .4 vs .2 can do for Dolby Atmos as well.

I have no idea why some major brands abandoned DTS. Sony OTOH seems to be promoting DTS right along side Dolby. Not sure if its a license expense thing for the other brands or maybe DTS doesn't want to proliferate so much in the consumer market? I've read Dolby Atmos is easier to compress for streaming purposes which I have found to sound very good with Sonos. I know streaming is getting better and better, but also all the major studios continue to produce plenty of physical discs globally with both DTS and Dolby.

 

Very interested in your views comparing between the ARC and the HT-A9, have you gone for the SA-SW5 as well?.

For me a very difficult decision deciding between these two systems based upon what I heard in my listening environment with my own content. Both systems sound great with very effective Dolby Atoms height speaker effects. Overall, the HT-A9 + Sony SW3 Sub sounds more airy and bright to my ears in my room than the ARC but not something I would call “sounds better” than the ARC--just different.

The HT-A9 phantom speaker is a marvel with very effective and clear dialog and you can move those two front speakers all over the place with some limitations and still retain very effective dialog. Uncanny really. 

**The Sony HT-A9 initially did have wireless disconnect problems for many when it was first released. This was fixed with an early Sony firmware update and I can confirm this was fixed when I used the system.** I did have one disconnect when I was running the HT-A9 right next to the active Sonos ARC--but The HT-A9 presented a wireless conflict message suggesting I run an automatic RF optimization process and with one click that was resolved and I was able to run the HT-A9 alongside the Sonos ARC without any further issues.

**I’ve never experienced wireless speaker disconnects with my Sonos system Ince I got it up and running, even when many others were complaining about Sonos speaker disconnects recently with one of the previous Sonos firmware updates, now apparently fixed.**

I have to admit is was a thrill to finally hear DTS:X from my UHD/4K blu-rays with the HT-A9. However, In the end I had a hard time distinguishing DTS:X from LPCM 5.1/7.1 from the same blu-ray through the Sonos Arc 5.1.2. But I do have to go through an extra  work-around to hear LPCM 5.1/7.1 on the ARC particularly since my LG TV blocks all forms of DTS codecs and I can't bypass the LG TV with the Sonos Arc’s single HDMI eARC port which is for me and my equipment frustrating. 

Finally, and again to my surprise the HT-A9’s four height speakers effect really didn’t win me over the Sonos’ two height speakers. At least not in my listening environment and acoustics. I was surprised at just how well the Sonos two-only height speaker effect compared to the HT-A9’s four and this was something I really concentrated on testing for many hours. The HT-A9 has the edge in this regard, but not enough to choose it IMO over the Sonos ARC 5.1.2 at least not in my listening enviroment.

In the end, I decided to stick with the Sonos Arc 5.1.2 even though there are a few things about the HT-A9 I prefer: two HDMI ports, the ability to process ALL forms of DTS from my 4K UHD Blu-rays and the many ways you can place the HT-A9 speakers all over the room without degrading sound and I do hope Sonos comes with an additional rear height speaker options some time soon.

The reasons I didn’t keep the HT-A9 include the most important ( in my house) 1. my wife preferred the Sonos Arc footprint and “the look”, black color with her decor over the four much larger HT-A9 light gray speakers. #2 I also experienced a heat problem with the HT-A9 controller box that Sony assured me was normal--that controller box became very hot to the touch quickly and that worried me--even though Sony assured me that was normal. 

Honestly both systems sound great in my environment. Different sound e.g., the HT-A9 sounds airy, bright compared to the Sonos 5.1.2, to my ears that doesn't mean better. 

I really enjoyed the opportunity to compare both side by side in my own environment and I think I could be very happy with both--but could only keep one. 

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@Macro dynamics It’s difficult for Sonos to spend money on lossless DTS support when major TV manufacturers like LG and Samsung aren’t even supporting it anymore.

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It seems that Sonos dont want to listen to this request, Pity.

I am thinking to replace Sonos stuff by Sony stuff.

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DTS:X is coming to new LG OLED and premium LCD TVs

05 Jan 2023 | Rasmus Larsen |  1 

At CES 2023, Xperi has announced a partnership with LG Electronics to integrate DTS:X immersive audio into LG's latest OLED and premium LCD TV models
melvimbe

So many people arguing some dumb stuff.

To say Movie’s aren’t even coming out in DTS-HD / X anymore is ignorant.

You can pre-order movies now that only have a DTS track, because they are a re-release into 4k an they chose not to bring the audio to TrueHD.

So movies are coming out quite regularly in DTS HD and DTS X format.  Doesn’t matter if ‘new’ movies are TrueHD, how are people going to enjoy their Alien 4k movie that’s in DTS:X? Just going to skip the spatial audio and listen to LPCM?

In the case of DTS-HD converting to LPCM is fine because it’s 100% the same data (but decoded by the player), however DTS:X is still a spatial audio used (that won’t translate in LPCM) - and any 4k already re-released in DTS is unlikely to get another release in TrueHD… 

 

Are you referring to the original “Alien”, one of the sequels, or just any movie with aliens in them?   Perhaps you have different sources, but I can’t find Alien recorded in DTS X anywhere.  DTS and DTS HD, yes, but not DTS X.

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