Windows 10 Controller

So you equate "Sonos never preannounce" as equal to "Sonos never denies it is going to work on something"? Well, no wonder you think "the direction we're headed in is a good one" and a general survey of Windows users is official confirmation of them working on an app!

Don't be ridiculous. Everyone knows this is not official confirmation.

What it is, is frankly terrible customer communications. Sonos only have themselves to blame for this situation. Its time to make a clarification. That's all that's required to put this sorry episode to bed.

So you want a clarification on their non-official, non-confirmation? Shoot, I can give you that! 😃

So you equate "Sonos never preannounce" as equal to "Sonos never denies it is going to work on something"? Well, no wonder you think "the direction we're headed in is a good one" and a general survey of Windows users is official confirmation of them working on an app!

Don't be ridiculous. Everyone knows this is not official confirmation.

What it is, is frankly terrible customer communications. Sonos only have themselves to blame for this situation. Its time to make a clarification. That's all that's required to put this sorry episode to bed.

So you want a clarification on their non-official, non-confirmation? Shoot, I can give you that! :D

But it WAS official Sonos communication, Even if it was just a massive hint rather than a confirmation.

There is a need to prove your argument if you want it to be accepted, I am not going to find a link in order to prove you correct. If you find it I will admit you were right, but it's your responsibility to prove your argument, not mine. I am glad you at least partially accept you were wrong about the Phish app, it was certainly not phrased as speculation however.



If the search function on this forum were anything more than less than useless, I would provide the link. But the search literally gives me everything but my post, which given the accuracy of the search, means my post is definitely buried in here someplace. Until they improve the search (something I am as equally vocal, if not equally repetitive, about as you are with Windows), you will have to trust me on this one.

And anything I do not couch with an official link/statement is speculation. I thought that goes without saying.

At this time, we do not have any additional information to share or any plans to announce around developing one for the future.

Whatever way this is meant, it doesn't sound very encouraging.
So, it's down to us maybe? A Kickstarter to develop a good Sonos-UWP-App which can be offered for free?

• Are there documented APIs or is it down to reverse Engineering?
• Would Sonos actually tolerate this or
• would they be too afraid to let this happen, thinking that the possibility of having a mediocre App would undermine their commitment to Quality?

If the search function on this forum were anything more than less than useless, I would provide the link. But the search literally gives me everything but my post, which given the accuracy of the search, means my post is definitely buried in here someplace. Until they improve the search (something I am as equally vocal, if not equally repetitive, about as you are with Windows), you will have to trust me on this one.

And anything I do not couch with an official link/statement is speculation. I thought that goes without saying.

Found it. Here's a story on one such activist. There's even a poll on whether it should be done.


http://mspoweruser.com/poll-should-we-harangue-companies-into-giving-us-windows-phone-apps/


I find this quote quite telling:

Also to be be effective not just one, but many Windows Phone users should be voicing their opinion.

If the search function on this forum were anything more than less than useless, I would provide the link. But the search literally gives me everything but my post, which given the accuracy of the search, means my post is definitely buried in here someplace. Until they improve the search (something I am as equally vocal, if not equally repetitive, about as you are with Windows), you will have to trust me on this one.

And anything I do not couch with an official link/statement is speculation. I thought that goes without saying.

Found it. Here's a story on one such activist. There's even a poll on whether it should be done.


http://mspoweruser.com/poll-should-we-harangue-companies-into-giving-us-windows-phone-apps/


I find this quote quite telling:

Also to be be effective not just one, but many Windows Phone users should be voicing their opinion.

That article does not constitute a "call to arms" in any way. Yes Sonos was used as an example but the subject tackled was the broader issue of how to make companies respond to the request for apps. The inspiration for the article was a user repeatedly spamming Sonos' Facebook page with practically identical posts, in my opinion that is not a constructive tactic. The article contains no links to this thread or any mention the Sonos Community at all, there is no direct encouragement for people to come here and post, a few may have been inspired to do a bit of research and arrive here independently, not many I imagine however. To question the validity of this entire thread based on one article on a niche enthusiast website that was talking about a completely different feedback channel with no mention of this site at all is a huge leap and one I still don't accept. I still believe the vast majority of people who have posted over the years are legitimate Sonos owners or potential owners being held back by the lack of an app.

The quote you supplied does appear to be bad but has been taken completely out of context, when you read the full quote;

On one hand I can see the benefit of reminding a company they are not being inclusive, particularly when they want to present a public face of being so, but on the other hand such tactics can turn companies and their fans hostile against the OS. Also to be be effective not just one, but many Windows Phone users should be voicing their opinion.

you can appreciate that the author is simply asking what the most effective method of communicating a desire for native apps is. I happen to agree with the poll that demands should be made loudly, publicly and often. That is not the same as spamming forums and Facebook with identical and repeated demands it simply reinforces that the demand is still there.

The article may provide a little justification for your argument but not much, and lets be honest if there is a Windows conspiracy movement it's highest priority will not be Sonos who's products are luxury items that the vast majority of Windows Phone users, or users of any platform, will not possess. There are bigger fish to fry as far as missing apps are concerned.

The poll was 85%, with well over 1000 of the readers agreeing that Windows users "should make our demands in public, loudly and regularly". The story specifically mentions Sonos, and the writer states that those who vote to "harangue" companies should do so in a "possibly organised manner". May not be enough for you, but I've seen this before. One and done posters (or just votes with no posts) in a thread, and a vote count that belies the actual market percentage. And here is a website that polls on the efficacy of such tactics, and specifically mentions Sonos. Believe what you want, but I'll not be curtailing my suspicions one iota.

And besides, if you think thread participation, fraudulent or not, influences Sonos towards a Windows app instead of actual market share, I've got a bridge to sell you. So arguing whether these are actual Sonos users or simply Windows enthusiasts doing their part for the cause is a moot point. The market is the market.

I have sympathy for those stuck with Windows phones. I know several people forced to use them for work purposes. They hate it and have iOS/Android phones for personal use.

I'm a little perplexed by this negativity. If you and your friends prefer a different platform, great. Clearly, however, there are other Sonos customers who prefer Windows on their smartphones and who would like an official Sonos app. This seems an entirely reasonable wish and, with the arrival of Windows 10 and universal apps, would also be a logical evolutionary path for the current Windows desktop controller.

I prefer my Windows 10 phone over Android and would like to see a universal win 10 app...

The way that Sonos could (or should?) do this is to embed the calls to the music services into their players. That way they can hide whatever they want to keep secret but still allow third-party developers to interact with everything they do.

I wrote a complete controller (Windows 10 universal). It supports everything except some third party music services because it requires certificate signing of the requests. If this would all happen inside the players instead of the controllers (which isn't very safe anyways), all problems for most developers would be solved.

So I hope someone at Sonos is listening / peeking into this thread, but I am not getting any hopes up... Then I can add the last missing piece and they don't even have to write a Universal Windows 10 app (because mine is freely available on the store anyway and has all the functionality except initial set up, true play configuration and certificate based authentication).

My point is: if Sonos just opens up their platform (hide sensitive details in the players instead of controllers), nobody would be complaining about an app, it would already be there (which in the long run saves Sonos resources).

28 Votes? Sonos is not going to write an app for 28 votes. Come on people if you really want the app then you have to do something about it.
VOTE!!!!
Because its cumbersome to get here - no vote without registering and login...

People investigate before buying an expensive piece of equipment. I for example am looking into the Playbar + subwoofer and a play 1 for every room in the house. Sonos does not provide support which means i don't purchase Sonos.

In return Sonos does not provide an app because "demand" is low from windows mobile users.

Call it a vicious circle...