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  • 13 December 2017
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Alexa - what a piece of junk. I'm serious. :@

I ask it to play a group (Cream today) and it will either play one, or if I'm lucky two songs then stop. Or if it does move to a third song it plays rap. Rap for God's sake. The last thing I want to listen to is rap crap.

I asked it to play sixties music today. Two songs and silence.

It has become very obvious to me that the people who program this device do not know what they are doing.

A lot of money for a piece of garbage. Merry Christmas to my wife.... not.
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Best answer by Tek_Freek 3 January 2018, 02:24

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Hey there, Tek_Freek. Thanks for posting. Glad to see you were able to get further than 2 songs. If you run into more problems after making these changes to your firewall, feel free to reach back out. I'm happy to take a look and advise. Additionally, I noticed you opened 3 tickets with our email team on the 31st of December. As a heads up, you are likely to get responses from a technician for each ticket opened. You can continue to work with them instead if you so choose.
why is it not affecting other devices?
Other uses like browsing do not need the stability needed for continuous music streaming in a multi room environment: if your browser stutters, you won't even notice it the way you will if music does.
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13 zones? Is that so you can play your own theme music as you walk from one room to another admiring your unlimited resources? For the rest of us that actually work and do not spend our free time in forums unless we are having difficulties, wasting hours with customer support is not ideal.
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Not to rain on someone’s parade…but I guess I am.

Reference to Firewall’s specs set by Norton. Norton is a SOFTWARE running on a computer. All of the Norton settings made are resident to that one piece of hardware and affects only how it (the computer) will interact with traffic over one’s network.

Conversely, Sonos performance relative to Norton are only affected when using the Sonos App resident on that computer. If using the Sonos App on an iPhone or compatible tablet the settings made to the Norton software on the computer have no influence over how Sonos performs.

The only configuration that would globally affect Sonos performance (using a computer, iPhone or tablet) with respect to a firewall or port settings would be those made at the HARDWARE level or more specifically at the ROUTER.

I have an Asus AC5300 Router Tri-Band router and it’s locked down tighter than a melted engine block. I have no problems streaming on any of my Wi-Fi enabled devices. I also run BitDefender on my computers with Windows Defender adjusted down to a secondary periodic background scan. My point being that having an understanding of how Wi-Fi works (or router configuration) solves/prevents a multitude of issues. I might also add that I use a Boost Component (not a speaker) setup with my Sonos which is what I always recommend. Some will use a Sonos speaker to accomplish the Boost but I prefer the dedicated Boost component.

What I have been leading up to is….

This is a great forum to get help and learn about Sonos. However, a lot of the finger pointing at Sonos IMO is unwarranted. The majority of the issues by my observation always come back to two things:

Lack of user knowledge which is one reason why this forum exists (we all have learn); and the biggest one IMO_NETWORK issues.

Network issues are always going to be the prime suspect. However, blaming Sonos is not going to resolve the problem. Sonos cannot possibly in a million years anticipate the multiplicity of network setups that consumers will have in their homes. The UPnP (Universal Plug n’ Play) touted by manufacturers of networking equipment is the biggest misnomer since it was believed that the Sun revolved around the Earth. The Sonos speaker is a relatively simple setup it’s the networks that cause the issues.

To be fair I will allow that Sonos has made a few missteps with the Sonos App upgrades. People don’t like change…but guess what…change is inevitable. It’s the price we pay for improvements and progress.

Bottom-line…understanding networking is key. If you don’t understand it that’s OK…get help from a friend or the neighbors kid down the street. Remember, you can always call Sonos if you don’t mind the wait. Cheers!
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http://www.tech-faq.com/ip-address-conflict.html
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One last comment on networking....I am not referring to browsing, I am referring to streaming apps. I have no issue streaming on my phone or computer and they go in and out of the network regularly, no delays or studdars on either.

One last comment on networking…

Two of the biggest so-called consumer networking conveniences are WPS and UPnP. They are in reality vulnerabilities and can lead to other problems within a network.

I have both of those so-called conveniences blocked at the Hardware Level via my Router Settings. Nothing gets on my network via WPS or UPnP Protocol. You might consider checking to see if your network allows them and if so I recommend disabling the features. Doing so may cause certain devices to disconnect but they can be added back to your network the old-fashion way (i.e. SSID and Passphrase).

View the links for more info on WPS and UPnP.

WPS (Wi-Fi Protected Setup)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Protected_Setup

UPnP (Universal Plug n Play)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Plug_and_Play
Tek_Freek,

I'd suggest that post your router make and model and I can help you reserve IP addresses, but if you don't want to work with us posters here, you should simply call Sonos.
Well, you certainly have not provided much information to us to help in rectifying this issue. Are you interested in assistance, or did you just want to vent?
My Sonos plays 60's music when I ask it to.

My Sonos plays Cream when I ask it to.

Both played from Amazon Music.

Since mine works perfectly everyone ele's does as well..


Didn't say that. I simply was correcting the poster who stated that because he was able to play these things on his Echo, it must be Sonos at fault. Your problem is most probably a configuration problem with either Alexa or Sonos, such as 2 or more Alexa devices with the same name, or maybe a networking problem. But it most certainly is not endemic to Sonos as claimed by the other poster.

Since the problem is not endemic, these are things that may be easily fixed. To start, I would duplicate the problem, then submit a diagnostic from the Sonos app and post your reference number here. That will allow a Sonos tech to see what is wrong.
Sonos with Alexa needs a lot of work. I am sorry I bought 2 new speakers. Waste of money. I went back to the Echo. I will give up a little sound quality for something that actually works.
Every wireless audio system has these issues. And while responses may be faster, solutions may not be better. I have a Dot that is stuttering and the quick response from Amazon was to first power cycle and if that does not work, do a reset. Amazon has no way of running a specific fault finding diagnostic in the way Sonos can. In my case, the stuttering completely stopped before I did any of these things, so now I shall do these actions with hope, the next time this happens. But this shows that the solutions are as hit and miss as broad spectrum antibiotics.

But I agree that Sonos needs to look at staffing of help lines as well as this forum to improve response times/levels. It is a service provider and not just a hardware seller, and needs to meet standards on support that service providers set for themselves, 24/7. Including holiday weekends, because that is when the system will both see most use and can least suffer stoppages. Support of unpaid users ought not to be relied on to achieve acceptable levels of support as is done here, but to improve it to the "Exceeds Expectations" level.
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90% of all problems can be corrected by assigning fixed IP addresses to your network devices. IP addresses - problem for routers in the 90s and problem today. Sonos can't fix issues with routers assigning the same number twice.

I update my Sonos and other network devices consistently and have absolutely no troubles. No matter how many times people want to act like its a Sonos issue it almost always is not. Fix your router. Fix your IP addresses. Troubles gone.
Amazon will replace all the parts. That just might be the best solution.
They did that once for a speaker defect in a Dot, and now I have a free Dot lying at home because it is too expensive for them to pick it up! On which the speaker works these days...so this worked for me:-).

For my specific issue I would not let them do this even if they offered because it is not the solution; I tried replacing Dots in the same location and stuttering continued.

I also agree that with updates exposing network issues that cause system stoppages, Sonos would release far fewer ones than it does. But that seems to be what the market wants, as it gets bored in a hurry with how the app looks and looking old fashioned is supposedly a sales killer these days. I could not be bothered if the app looked and functioned exactly as it did when I bought Sonos in 2011, as the desktop controller largely does, but apparently I am a very small minority that does not crave cosmetic refreshes.

With wireless systems at home, let sleeping dogs lie is always a good idea. Unfortunately, every one of the frequent updates will have them all barking away and breaking things.

All this said, ever since I reserved IP addresses in my router, and used a Boost wired to the router to anchor my Sonos net in 2014, every update has been flawless with no stoppages. The only reason I still hate updates is the consequent forced relearning of how the new looking app works.
It's early yet, but. A BIG BUT.

I found a reference to firewalls. https://sonos.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4268

When I went to the little slide out box to open Norton (The one by the calendar - see below) I notice Windows Defender was there. It's never shown up before. I think the recent Windows update may have activated it. So I found how to turn it off. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_other-security/do-need-to-run-windows-defender-if-i-have-norton/85dd02b7-1722-4dd3-8f09-2c76acd956c7?auth=1

I added Alexa back in, asked her to play the Doors and it's playing the second song. Scratch that - fourth song. I just may have figured this out. Stubbornness and perseverance do pay off sometimes.

So if I have found my solution I can hope it helps others. Fingers crossed.

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Sixth song - Hot damn!!
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Chris, here is my issue with the fix you suggest: I should not have to do this. Every single product I have that connects to my Wi-Fi network works seamlessly, with the exception of the Playbar. Fixing my router is not something I should have to go through because I purchased a Sonos product. It is absolutely unacceptable, even if it works, for a user to have to spend time diagnosing issues, wait half an hour on hold, then adjust their router when other products using Wi-Fi and the exact same applications have no issue. That is an inherent problem in how the product connects to the Wi-Fi network on its own, and you cannot expect people with very little IT experience to start messing with router configurations.
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Thanks Kumar and Tek_Freek, glad things are working! I will give it a shot.
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I don't agree abear33. Many times the Sonos issue is not Sonos but those other devices that are holding on to IP addresses they shouldn't have to.

About every single time my iphone gets a firmware it will corrupt its IP address. That's a fact.

When a Sonos unit boots and gets an IP address from the router that is already being used by another device that is not the fault of Sonos (but the reboot sure made the issue happen). The issue is the router not knowing another device is still holding on to that lease (so in most circumstances it is the other device that is the issue).

I know when I first had the problem with my Sonos years ago it was an older slingbox that was holding on to an IP address that my router assigned to my Connect:Amp.

Saying it doesn't happen is just ignoring the facts for your own narrative. Facts are the more network devices you have the more issues you have. Getting help and fixing properly actually isn't difficult but you also can't be stubborn enough to just say "I shouldn't have to deal with it because well I shouldn't"
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Nobody should have to deal with sub par customer support. This is a problem that arose in the last couple months, nothing has changed in my household since I first purchased the product so blaming it on additional network devices seems illogical. I am not ignoring facts for my own narrative; I have had no problems with other devices and experienced less than productive assistance from Sonos. I have sent half a dozen emails to Sonos and waited on hold during their inconvenient call center hours, so no, I should not have to deal with that.

And if the router is assigning IP addresses incorrectly, why is it not affecting other devices? I am certainly not an IT expert, but I expect a product to work well without such problems, and I am certainly not alone. Run an online search surrounding playback issues of Sonos products and there are hundreds of people experiencing similar problems. It's not too much to ask that a product work as advertised.
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product works as advertised ... a few hundred people asking for help vs. millions units sold does not equal a Sonos issue. It equals people needing help with their network issues because inherently networks will develop issues. Be in as much denial as you want but I'm sure your problems can be easily remedied with a little troubleshooting.
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If a "little trouble shooting" was the only problem then the multiple emails with Sonos should have fixed it. Your responses fail to consider the fact that I have spent several hours on the phone and over email on this matter already.

And having worked in the consumer electronics industry I do not agree
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ok disagree then. I will go back to listening to my 13 troublefree Sonos Zones.
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Insult me as you may .... you decide if you want it to work or not its up to you.

In turn, as most customers don't come on the board that have no issues, you don't get the thousands of people to come on here to praise how great Sonos works right out of the box do you.
Still playing....:)
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Great news Tek_Freek