Will I get 24 bit ausio on a play 1 if it is connected with the Arc? I would love a technical explanation of the sonos ecosystem to understand better. Does each speaker have a DAC? Can I override this with an external DAC if needed?
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I am running S2. The confusing thing is that when I look at what devices are listed as being 24 bit compatible, the Play 1 is not on that list. Does this change when paired with a Playbar because Playbar is on the list of compatible devices?
Are you running S1 or S2? S2 compatible units will play 24bit files.
If the Play:1s were capable of doing all the necessary processing reliably then why would Sonos not implement it? Other speakers, such as the gen 2 Play:5, received a free upgrade. I suspect the answer lies in the small amounts of memory in the Play:1 compared with the current range of products.
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This is great information. Thank you. Even if I can’t tell the difference in sound I would still like to know if my system is not able to play the 24 bit source files due to the play 1 speakers which cause the other speakers to downgrade in order to work together? It sounds like the play 1 speakers should be able to process the 24 bit files based on what you say?
Each speaker has it’s own DAC and internal processing has been 24bit for all products since inception in 2005. However, early products would not play 24bit source files.
There is a lot of controversy over the ability of end users to discern 24 vs 16bit files while playing the same original recording session. In the studio there are very real benefits for 32bit high bit rate recordings while the tracks are being prepared for distribution. In this environment 192 is considered lame by some studios. So far there have been no peer reviewed studies proving that end listeners can discriminate between 16/44.1 and higher resolution/bit rate files for the same content. I’ve done some informal comparisons with listeners. If I announce that “this is a HiRes version” it always sounds “better”. It’s a big giggle for me because the “audiophiles” usually have more difficulty discriminating when I don’t announce. I attribute this to them having more personal esteem invested in the outcome. When informed that they failed, they always blame this on inferior playback equipment. I’ll compare much lower resolution MP3 files with FLAC 16/44.1 files of the same source track. Unsophisticated “off the street” listeners usually rank these files in the correct order, while Audiiophiles struggle to discriminate between the higher resolution versions. I’m very careful not to give any hints along the way.
Tracks that are sold as “HiRes” often originate from higher quality master files and these can sound better than the typical retail release (when played in quality environments) for reasons not related to raw bit rate and resolution. Retail tracks are processed to sound “better” when played in difficult conditions out in the street -- this is what sells music. These processed versions don’t always sound “better” to more sophisticated listeners using high quality equipment, playing in a high quality environment.
Bottom line for SONOS users: If the file plays (192 files will not play), don’t worry too much about the raw uncompressed bit rate. Processing along the way is much more important. I realize that it’s an annoyance if you bought a 192 version and you’ll need to down sample it in order to play on a SONOS system, but this is a one time conversion. Note that a sloppy down conversion could result in some unnecessary lost quality.
So even though the play 1 is not listed as a device that supports 24 bit, it will when connected with other devices that are? How can I be sure of the resolution that is being used?
Not “when connected with other devices”. That is much too imprecise. “When acting as surrounds to a Sonos soundbar that is capable of supporting 24 bit” is, I think, the actual position. That is at least plausible. All the processing in a Sonos HT setup is done by the soundbar. The surrounds are just ‘slaves’ that play what they are sent and told to play.
In fact, when the connection is by grouping, it’s the capability of the least capable speaker that determines what all speakers in the group play.
Thanks for the reply. So even though the play 1 is not listed as a device that supports 24 bit, it will when connected with other devices that are? How can I be sure of the resolution that is being used?
The only confirmation I’ve seen is the ‘badge/label’ on the ‘Now Playing’ screen in the S2 Sonos App when playing from the Amazon UHD streaming music service, which shows a label of ‘UltraHD’, or ‘Atmos’ when playing 24/48 Amazon Music UltraHD/Atmos audio to the ‘room’.
You might have to otherwise checkout the approx size of file delivered to each speaker for the streaming audio track(s) to get an approximation that it’s HiRes - although I’m not sure how you might go about doing that🤔?
I would just look for the badge when streaming from Amazon Music - note it may take a few moments for the correct badge/label to appear and also be mindful that a poor network connection end-to-end can affect the audio resolution/type of audio sent to the main player.
If you have a local music library, then you could also encode some tracks in 24/48 .flac format and test playing that to your Sonos setup to ensure it plays (Note: no badge/label is displayed in the Sonos App when playing audio from your local library, but at least you will already know the format in use). HTH
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Thanks for the reply. So even though the play 1 is not listed as a device that supports 24 bit, it will when connected with other devices that are? How can I be sure of the resolution that is being used?
Yes the HT setup will support upto 24bit/48kHz audio when using the S2 App - see these useful links:
- https://support.sonos.com/en-us/article/supported-audio-formats-for-sonos-music-library
- https://support.sonos.com/en-us/services (See HiRes 24 bit)
Theres no way to override the internal DAC for your HT setup.
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