Switch off WiFi and Bluetooth PERMANENTLY from Sonos One

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And frankly, although I have no numbers to back it up, I suspect the market for non-Bluetooth speakers is significantly smaller than it is for those who have it. Either BLE, for ease of setup, or full blown Bluetooth for carrying a music signal. If it were the other way, I suspect Sonos would have jumped on it as a money generating differentiation. So far, they haven’t, which supports my expectation.

Which isn’t to say that there isn’t such a market for that, just that it’s small enough not to appeal to the Product Managers at Sonos. I could easily see another manufacturer of smaller size grabbing that market, but I would expect due to smaller number of potential sales, the cost to the consumer would be much higher for an equivalent quality speaker. 

As a veteran here for 15 years, I see most of those posters as never satisfied, only happy when they are bitching about something, or issuing idle threats to get a company to give them attention and the ego boost that goes with it.   None of whom deserves to be catered to, and Sonos has demonstrated in the past they are quite aware of this fact.

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OK, show me those statistics :-)
I'm joking of course. Research shows that many consumers rationalize their expectations after purchasing, in other words, people justify to themselves that what was previously a lack for them is not really the case. It costs them less commitment than processing returns, than admitting a mistake in the purchase. Our brain takes care of us so that we don't go crazy :-)
Rather, the idea is that an additional product feature can attract new audiences (before someone else attracts them).
However... I'm a realist and I think that, diplomatically speaking, Sonos will treat arguments like mine as moderately important :-)

The number of supposedly dissatisfied customers who keep returning, and even keep purchasing new Sonos devices, would surprise you.  If I had a dollar for every person who claimed to toss their Sonos in the trash or sell it on e-Bay who returns months later to post a complaint about some other problem or ask about a new feature, I could buy a new Sonos immersive set.  That bunny gets threatened all the time, but he never seems to die.

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Hi,
I'm not a fan of tinfoil hats, but I was also interested - for other reasons - in acquiring a network speaker without BT.

Interestingly, the possibility of turning off BT is justified by the manufacturers of some speakers. I found this by searching the manuals of various devices. For example, Denon in one of its (more expensive) devices allows you to turn off both Wi-Fi and BT, justifying it in the instructions:

“Stopping Bluetooth receiver and transmitter functions reduces a source of noise that affects sound quality, enabling higher sound quality playback.”

In my case, there was another argument - I didn't want other residents of the student house (whom I don't know) to scan my equipment (intentionally or not), not to try to connect, get to know what equipment I use, etc.

In addition, we have more and more devices emitting radiation in the same ranges, which, as the example of Wi-Fi 2.4 shows, over time leads to interference at such a level that it makes work difficult.

Unfortunately, I haven't found any speakers on the market that have only Ethernet), except those intended for installation in cafes, airports, halls (definitely not for audiophiles ;-) ). So I'm stuck with speakers like these.

And now, assuming that:
- we are free people, also free to choose equipment ;-)
- the economy is based on free market principles
it would be better for Sonos to add the option to disable BT before another manufacturer does it and takes away part of the market :-)

There is one more aspect, when searching the specifications of various speakers or the connections modules (e.g. Denon, WiiM), I noticed that even if there is an option to turn off BT, it does not apply to the BT module responsible for detecting/initiating the speakers. This module (often BLE) works non-stop, fully reporting not only to household members, but also to neighbors/tenants about our equipment. It cannot be turned off. Sometimes it is strange, because, for example, the second-generation Sonos One speaker lacks BT in its specification, but in fact it has a BT BLE module for communication with the phone...
One more example, Denon in its "Home 150" speaker automatically turns off BT if it is inactive for 20 minutes, but it is not known whether there is an additional BLE module running non-stop and whether we still have emissions after turning it on for these 20 minutes (unfortunately on Denon there is not any forum like this one, there is no one to ask, questions to their support are answered by their AI...).

In my humble opinion, all this is due to laziness - both producers and users, the former want to limit their support before the flood of questions "why can't I see my speaker", the latter want everything to work without the need to consult the manual.

So we can only appeal to the manufacturer (if they read this forum?) for more flexible solutions. As the old saying goes - a satisfied customer will always return to the seller, a dissatisfied customer will never return.

Greetings to all!

Sonos One g2. I used LightBlue app on iPad with bluetooth turned on. I plugged the speaker in and out to confirm the signal I saw was from the speaker. It’s very dishonest of the company that not even their support knows about this! And I believe he genuinely didn’t know. The topic interested him intellectually.

If I am to disable the buttons etc, I would switch to the cheaper version. I have a return window and being conned by the company and then proving them wrong, and then finding this thread, is reason good enough to return it. Or an older speaker where bluetooth is not a possibility, if I decide to trust Sonos partially again.

Which Sonos speaker do you have? How were you able to confirm that Bluetooth stays on? 

I’ve just confirmed bluetooth stays on. A knowledgeable support person from Sonos told me just a few days ago that bluetooth is only on during setup. He was mistaken.

So it’s unfortunately unusable because it’s right next to a family member’s head when in use. If I were to do the hack I saw in this thread, I would choose a cheaper version, not the one with the microphone. I was hopeful. Bluetooth is in close to everything, so it’s important to have something that doesn’t have it. So the disappointment is extra bitter.

The speaker is going back!

My biggest question here is why would someone worried about Bluetooth and WiFi buy a system that uses them?

From experience I have a cell phone and laptop which has a capability of wifi and bluetooth. Both these devices can be turned on or off (activated or deactivated). The same goes for routers with respect for wifi although on Virgin’s router it isn’t an easy process for non tech people to use this feature. 
Considering the Sonos unit gives excellent sound quality it would be reasonable to expect that using the auxiliary input, there would be an option to disable wifi and bluetooth. 
In the absence of a built in method, it’s a reasonable request to see if the unit can be hacked to remove those functions, with also meter testing to show it has been achieved. 

With respect to emissions from SONOS units when WiFi is turned OFF, we don’t know exactly what this means. It might mean that power is removed from the WiFi radios or it might mean that logically WiFi data is being ignored and the transmitter simply sits at a fixed frequency or turns into some sort of beacon. 

When RF power meter readings are quoted, I’m not sure exactly what they are measuring. If the meter is simply measuring energy in the 2.4 and 5GHz bands, this energy might not be associated with WiFi and Bluetooth transmissions, the energy could simply be leakage from the microprocessors and such on board. I’d like to see a measurement before and after WiFi is turned OFF.

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My biggest question here is why would someone worried about Bluetooth and WiFi buy a system that uses them?

Good grief.  🙄

I think you have enough content in the Prof Jim Al-Khalili video to get on with.
I like his statement “you can’t argue with Einstein and E = mc2”
It sorts the wheat from the chaff in the tin foil hatters who deny any issues with EHS health issues.
Enjoy

 

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I’m glad you approve.

Just keep it coming, @George_George!

I’m glad you approve. I wouldn’t call other people contributing as ‘self declared experts’, it’s a matter of their field of study or interest which limits their understanding. My research speciality is  in the field of mitochondria, epigenetics and quantum tunnelling. Researching in particular calcium efflux attributable to nnEMF such as blue tooth, wifi and cellular phones.  Prof Jim Al-Khalili in this video describes it well 'This isn't speculation by the way' at about 9 minutes into this presentation. Modelling of quantum coherence of photons of light in the process of photosynthesis is being used in quantum computing which is reflected in the develoopment of AI (not my area but we are involved in crossover research with this )
 

 

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Nice, very nice indeed. Please continue to enlighten us all. Always very helpful to see what self declared experts have to contribute.

The subject of EHS has been misunderstood over the years due to the limitations of investigative techniques and measurement techniques in the past. The emergence of Quantum Biology (University of Surrey in the UK and elsewhere) is confirming the sensitivity of people in different measure. The manifestation of symptoms varies especially for neurological conditions. Myelin sheath which is underdeveloped (in children it is almost non existence until reaching 20+ years old is a synapse protection plays a big part symptoms.
As a simplistic comparison, people have varying degrees of sensitivity to sunlight, X-Rays, fluorescent light and blue light from LED and screens. The blue light receptor melanopsin is in the eye and recently discovered in skin and subcutaneous fat, adding to the science that we didn’t know only 20 years and less ago.    The apparent lack of sensitivity in some people masks the problems caused when our body physiology, controlled by electrochemical processes at a mitochondrial level. This is the domain of quantum biology the emergence of which is not taught in medical school. In fact, chemistry, biology and physics are closely intertwined but not addressed. Evidence is emerging from the Large Hadron collider in Switzerland which confirms how physics is closely related to biology and has tremendous effects on our cellular body signalling.  Dr Doug Wallace the father of mitochondrial research , responsible for the term ‘Mitochondrial Eve’, the tracking of human development through our maternal DNA refers to the epigenetic influences of mitcohondial DNA on our genomic DNA. We are adding to the soup of epigenetic adverse health influences. Bio chemical cellular activity is adversely influenced by our use of tec.
Wikipedia is not a good resource on this occasion as it is outdated very quickly in the new fields of research.

 

Make sure to wrap your flat in a Faraday cage to prevent everyone else’s BT and WiFi signals from getting in. And cellphone signals.

The inverse square law applies. So in today’s environment in this case with walls, furniture and wiring, the impact of other devices including cell phones will be lessened. Cell phones may be concern however as in areas of poor reception such as flats, they will increase their radiation output when ‘engaging’ with a cell tower, even when not in use. So if the phone is not in use, it is best to leave it in a different room as mitigation. Electro hypersensitive people have ‘degrees’ of symptoms and are good barometers for localised EMF. The Quantum Biology research at The University of Surrey has in 2022 (before your post) ratified and confirmed mitigation with the inverse square law in mind.
Whilst it is best practice not to live in areas of high population density, the fear mongering of reports saying cell phones, smart meters or wifi of neighbours is just as bad is alarmist considering the below:-
“𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐦𝐚𝐠𝐧𝐞𝐭𝐢𝐜 𝐟𝐢𝐞𝐥𝐝, 𝐬𝐮𝐜𝐡 𝐚𝐬 𝐥𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐨𝐫 𝐫𝐚𝐝𝐢𝐨 𝐰𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐬, 𝐝𝐞𝐜𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐪𝐮𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐜𝐞. 𝐓𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐦𝐞𝐚𝐧𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐢𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐝𝐨𝐮𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐜𝐞, 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐛𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐞-𝐟𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐭𝐡 𝐚𝐬 𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐧𝐠.”

Sonos already accommodated this by offering wired Ethernet connection and disabling the wifi. Yet the newer generation still has Bluetooth capabilities and can’t be disabled. 
 

Purchase a frequency metre and see that these speakers put out the same amount of EMFs as your router… that’s frightening. 

 

You didn't answer the question. 

Also FYI, for years Sonos didn’t allow you to turn off wifi, its a rather recent addition.  And I don't own a frequency meter, because I don't have an irrational fear of non-ionizing radio waves.

If you are worried about the harmful effects of non-ionizing EMF, WHY ARE YOU BUYING WiFI DEVICES AT ALL!!!???

I’m worried by the harmful effects of smoking.  So I don’t smoke.  Ever.  Period. 

And if I were worried about the harmful effects of non-ionizing EMF, I wouldn’t own a cell phone, or Sonos, or a WiFI router, or anything that uses WiFi.  Ever.  Period. 

I wouldn’t expect Sonos to accommodate my wishes when, if my fears are founded, I shouldn’t even allow their product in my house.  

Sonos already accommodated this by offering wired Ethernet connection and disabling the wifi. Yet the newer generation still has Bluetooth capabilities and can’t be disabled. 
 

Purchase a frequency metre and see that these speakers put out the same amount of EMFs as your router… that’s frightening. 

 

That is most certainly not a peer reviewed article from a respected medical/scientific journal.   Show me a peer reviewed article from a respected medical/scientific journal and I’ll be the first one to say I was wrong. 

At the same frequency?

 

The sun emits all frequencies that WiFi/Bluetooth/4G/5G does, and then some.  It even emits x-rays and other forms of ionizing radiation, which are actually proven to be harmful, given a certain dose. Still, people go outside all the time. 

 

sunlight carry’s no information like Bt.

 

So what? It’s still millions of times stronger than Bluetooth.  

 

 Unfortunately I know some people who can’t stand the sunlight, the wil burn alive.

the live in the night. And when the must go out at daylight then dress themselves like it’s winter.

 

Those people have a proven, recognized, and diagnosed condition - xeroderma pigmentosum.  It is also extremely rare (1 in 1 million), so you knowing one person, never mind “some people” with that condition belies the odds.  

 

i know this radiation subject is difficult to understand, but it’s a problem that is growing, perhaps you speak with a person with this problem, listen and try to understand.

myself, I’m helping a lot off people who are facing this problem.

with my tools and experience I’m helping them to make there live more easy.

 

 

“Problem”?  There isn’t one scientific study where this “problem” was proven to exist.  When blinded to the source, people are not able able to identify when they were being “irradiated” vs when the “radiation” was off.  In the majority of cases studied using peer-reviewed science, the results lean heavily to the “problem” being wholly psychosomatic.  I feel for these sufferers, I really do.  However the help they need has nothing to do with eliminating EMF, and you offering affirmation or encouragement that it does is of no help at all. 

 

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At the same frequency?

 

The sun emits all frequencies that WiFi/Bluetooth/4G/5G does, and then some.  It even emits x-rays and other forms of ionizing radiation, which are actually proven to be harmful, given a certain dose. Still, people go outside all the time. 

 

sunlight carry’s no information like Bt.

 

So what? It’s still millions of times stronger than Bluetooth.  

 

 Unfortunately I know some people who can’t stand the sunlight, the wil burn alive.

the live in the night. And when the must go out at daylight then dress themselves like it’s winter.

 

Those people have a proven, recognized, and diagnosed condition - xeroderma pigmentosum.  It is also extremely rare (1 in 1 million), so you knowing one person, never mind “some people” with that condition belies the odds.  

 

i know this radiation subject is difficult to understand, but it’s a problem that is growing, perhaps you speak with a person with this problem, listen and try to understand.

myself, I’m helping a lot off people who are facing this problem.

with my tools and experience I’m helping them to make there live more easy.

 

 

“Problem”?  There isn’t one scientific study where this “problem” was proven to exist.  When blinded to the source, people are not able able to identify when they were being “irradiated” vs when the “radiation” was off.  In the majority of cases studied using peer-reviewed science, the results lean heavily to the “problem” being wholly psychosomatic.  I feel for these sufferers, I really do.  However the help they need has nothing to do with eliminating EMF, and you offering affirmation or encouragement that it does is of no help at all. 

 

2 meters, close by, 1500 +

going outside in the city is a problem.

bt is a different signal the WiFi and 4g.

it hops 1600 times per second, and that’s what se is feeling. Nasty signal.

 

Average sunlight is 1000 W/m2, an intensity 40 Million times your Bluetooth.  Now that’s a “Nasty Signal”.  

At the same frequency?

sunlight carry’s no information like Bt.

 Unfortunately I know some people who can’t stand the sunlight, the wil burn alive.

the live in the night. And when the must go out at daylight then dress themselves like it’s winter.

i know this radiation subject is difficult to understand, but it’s a problem that is growing, perhaps you speak with a person with this problem, listen and try to understand.

myself, I’m helping a lot off people who are facing this problem.

with my tools and experience I’m helping them to make there live more easy.

 

Though enlightening for most, I do not think you’ll convince the people concerned about this…….

 

True.  But that's not why I reply.