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jgatie
@jgatie Again, not my lawsuit, not my place to judge who is right and wrong. See it how you want but SONOS's actions have impacted the public in a negative way even if they were in the right to take such actions.

You are the one who brought up assessing blame in the lawsuit. You also seem to expect some type of compensation or discount from Sonos due to their their "impact on the consumer". As to your statement "not my lawsuit, not my place to judge who is right and wrong"? True, it is the court's and jury's place to judge who is right and wrong. In case you were not aware, the jurors took less than 2 hours to decide, including lunch and a delay, and they found Denon 100% wrong in their actions. It was a cut and dried case if there ever was one, and therefore, it is Denon's actions which "impacted the public in a negative way." Period.
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This is probably the most childish thing I've ever seen...

SONOS owes you nothing, so there's no reason to expect them to offer you a significant discount on their products. You should be reaching out to Denon and asking them to reimburse you for lost features. This is not a necessarily a discussion about blame, but you are blaming SONOS.

Like jgatie said, buy different a different brand's audio equipment. You are not entitled to purchase SONOS products, or receive a discount on SONOS products.
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Wow. This is not a discussion about blame in the lawsuit, and quite frankly no one here is qualified to say who is to blame. If you would like to show your patent attorney credentials, as well as your appointment as a judge, great, otherwise please be quiet.
BCM
I looked up the lawsuit. Denon is completely to blame. So many opportunities to do the right thing for it's customers and chose not to. Pitiful.

https://www.cepro.com/article/sonos_vs_denon_heos_understanding_the_patent_lawsuits
BCM
Actually, HEOS impacted their customers by their actions. If I had a product that was infringed on, I would go after the offending party to protect not only my product, but also my customers that are using it. Their customers are not my problem. Their customers are THEIR problem.
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@jgatie Again, not my lawsuit, not my place to judge who is right and wrong. See it how you want but SONOS's actions have impacted the public in a negative way even if they were in the right to take such actions.
ratty
Is it still April 1?
jgatie
You have a very skewed way of looking at fault. The origin of the impact is Denon's actions. The fact is, if not for Denon's unlawful actions, Sonos would not have done anything, and no harm would have come to you. If you were in traffic and a tractor trailer ran a red light, t-boned a car and sent it into your vehicle, would you fault the driver of the car?

As to your statement that Sonos "have the audacity to then say hey would you like to buy some bread?" You are not locked into buying "bread" from Sonos. Bose, LG, Samsung, Bluesound, and others make a comparable product without having to unlawfully infringe on another company's patents. It's not like Sonos is forcing you to buy from them just because you formerly used Denon.

Sorry, but you are way off base here. The only one keeping you from your bread tonight is the one who stole it in the first place. They are liable for any damages, and you should be seeking reimbursement from them, not the aggrieved party. Denon is the one who breached contract with the consumer, not Sonos. JMHO.
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@jgatie SONOS's blame starts and stops in that their action resulted in harm to consumers. I understand why they filed the action they did and, as a consumer, who is right and wrong in the battle between the two companies is not my concern. As a consumer my life is being impacted by their actions. Think of it like this, a grocery store is selling bread. You buy some. On the way out of the store, someone walks over and says this is my bread, the store stole it and sold it to you. They take your bread and then say hey would you like to buy some bread. Even if they were in the right, it is still their fault that you aren't going to be having bread tonight. Even more so it is on them do something about it if they are going to have the audacity to then say hey would you like to buy some bread? SONOS has to take whatever actions it feels are appropriate but the damage is not just to Denon. It is to consumers that have already bought those Denon products. SONOS can't expect those customers to think fondly of SONOS if they aren't going to work with the customers to replace what SONOS has taken.
BCM
Are you in the States? If it were me, I would sign up for the Best Buy credit card and earn points you can apply toward future purchases. I've gotten a lot of my Sonos gear from them and it was deeply discounted because of the points. Plus they routinely have the Play:1s on sale.
jgatie
I'm not sure how you can blame Sonos for aggressively protecting their patents, when actual patent infringement has occurred? This isn't like Monster Cable frivolously suing the Boston Red Sox over the use of the name Green Monster (a name which preceded Monster Cable by over 30 years). This is a company suing for blatant and obvious infringement on patents owned by them.

As to pricing, Sonos pricing is the same no matter who you purchase from. You can sometimes find slightly discounted items on Amazon, but that is rare. Mostly you will find uniform pricing from all dealers.
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