New listing on FCC today for Sonos product 'S15'
Label is totally square so could be a new connect type device ?
Let the speculation begin !
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https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=Y&application_id=TA3DBlNSKB4QOtv79G5%2B5w%3D%3D&fcc_id=SBVRM013
Includes both internal and external photos in pdfs, and a user manual. If the manual is relevant to this particular thing, it's just a new version of the CONNECT.
Includes both internal and external photos in pdfs, and a user manual. If the manual is relevant to this particular thing, it's just a new version of the CONNECT.
Maybe it's finally bit-perfect again?
Just kidding. I suppose it's all about reduced production costs.
So this would be the 3rd version of the "Connect", first the original ZP80 (32MB, 1x1 SonosNet v1), then the ZP90 (32MB? but 3x3 SonosNet v2) which was renamed "CONNECT", and now this S15. (before the great renaming the original nomenclature for the Play 5 gen1 was S5, btw, ).
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Give this man a prize...
Image two shows the back... looks identical to the current Connect. So the question is... WHAT DID THEY CHANGE?!
BTW, that site doesn't have the document links yet... you have to click the link to view the documents from the FCC, then go to the details.
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😃. Unfortunately, 5W of power input ain't quite gonna do it. My QUAD ESL-63s have a recommended amplifier power of 50-100W. My Connect:Amp drives them nicely. ESLs are also notoriously difficult to integrate with subwoofers. Only a couple of attempts were made to integrate one with the QUADs, never very successfully. Psychoacoustics genius, NHT founder and MIT graduate Ken Kantor shared some ideas on the subject a couple years back, but it would be a limited product, at best.
They use special Palladium Fluoride capacitors to make them super efficient and near sound field feedback loop alignment circuits to manage the Sub integration.
Just looked at the label on my Connect. 100ma from AC line, 5W. This is a Connect replacement, hopefully with the additional features I mentioned above.
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I'm probably reading way too much into this but I just saw Sonos like a tweet where the user said they're "looking forward to the new Amazon Alexa skill for Sonos to have some music in the air with Spotify." Included was a photo of an Echo next to a Connect.
😃. Unfortunately, 5W of power input ain't quite gonna do it. My QUAD ESL-63s have a recommended amplifier power of 50-100W. My Connect:Amp drives them nicely. ESLs are also notoriously difficult to integrate with subwoofers. Only a couple of attempts were made to integrate one with the QUADs, never very successfully. Psychoacoustics genius, NHT founder and MIT graduate Ken Kantor shared some ideas on the subject a couple years back, but it would be a limited product, at best.
No idea what the S stands for. Source? Streamer? Spot? (Play on Dot).
How about the Sonos Speak?:8
It is probably the long awaited Play 7. It will be a 7 foot floor standing electrostatic speaker to fill in the high end of the product line. Electrostatics are a good match for Sonos because they struggle at the low end which makes them the perfect complement to the Sonos Sub. Unfortunately no line-in or headphone jacks but will have a port to plug in a separate microphone array for use in voice control as an alternative to using an Echo Dot.
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When the Play 5 (gen 2) was added to the FCC database its name was S100, Sonos got wise at this point and started hiding the names of devices.
My guess. It's the replacement for the Connect. It will be priced at $99. It will have a combined 3.5mm optical/analog output, like the CCA. It will also have a far-field microphone. Maybe an analog input, but not necessarily, given Sonos emphasis on streaming.
Possibly Chromecast support, to instantly integrate Google Home.
No idea what the S stands for. Source? Streamer? Spot? (Play on Dot).
I notice from the label that it draws 5W directly from the wall socket, so no external power brick. Good.
I'm probably completely wrong, but we'll see tomorrow.
Possibly Chromecast support, to instantly integrate Google Home.
No idea what the S stands for. Source? Streamer? Spot? (Play on Dot).
I notice from the label that it draws 5W directly from the wall socket, so no external power brick. Good.
I'm probably completely wrong, but we'll see tomorrow.
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Those labels are usually samples, and are only representative of the location of the FCC label and/or the wording required by the FCC to meet their requirements. Everything else about them can likely be taken with a grain of salt. Until Sunday (or more likely, Monday) comes around, we won't know what it is.
Just looked at my Sonos Dock. 5V @ 2A, or 10 watts. However, that had to charge an iDevice. 100mA should be enough to power a wifi transceiver and a microphone array, perhaps with Chromecast capabilities.
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I'm curious if we'll see an announcement today given that the confidentiality of the photos is due to expire Sunday.
100mA sounds like a battery charger... for a very small battery.
My HDMI multiswitch doesn't require much more...🆒
@nicka99...sounds like a lot like a Lutron pico remote. Doesn't meet your price though since the remote will require a Lutron hub. And it doesn't meet your custom button requirements
Alternately, wait for the Alexa integration, then get a dot and echo remote. That would be under $100, but again, not meeting your custom requirements.
Alternately, wait for the Alexa integration, then get a dot and echo remote. That would be under $100, but again, not meeting your custom requirements.
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heres my hope - a simple base unit and remote control handset....
- base unit plugs into any sonos device providing both power via POE and communication OR wireless and powered with the lowly 100ma power supply.
- handset is charged from base unit (maybe wireless charging also)
- handset has NO screen and communicates via RF so has very long battery life.
- handset has backlit buttons for volume up, down, previous, next, play/pause, 5 presets to sonos favorites, 5 'room' buttons to switch rooms (perhaps with led to indicate which room is being controlled)
- buttons for night/speech mode for playbar
- a few 'custom' buttons for grouping or other functions (all controlled by the base unit so no firmware update needed for old units)
- a 'Snooze' button for alarms
- provide a simple wall cradle similar like philips hue switch.
- 'bonus feature' of line-in on the base unit ;-)
would be far more convenient than reaching for a phone which must always be charged and sometimes slow to respond or lock screen controls arent active (nothing is playing) plus 101 other reasons why a phone is sometimes annoying.
Id buy one for every room if the price was right (e.g. sub $100).
I know logitech can do some of this but you have to be pretty 'tech savvy' to get it working right.
- base unit plugs into any sonos device providing both power via POE and communication OR wireless and powered with the lowly 100ma power supply.
- handset is charged from base unit (maybe wireless charging also)
- handset has NO screen and communicates via RF so has very long battery life.
- handset has backlit buttons for volume up, down, previous, next, play/pause, 5 presets to sonos favorites, 5 'room' buttons to switch rooms (perhaps with led to indicate which room is being controlled)
- buttons for night/speech mode for playbar
- a few 'custom' buttons for grouping or other functions (all controlled by the base unit so no firmware update needed for old units)
- a 'Snooze' button for alarms
- provide a simple wall cradle similar like philips hue switch.
- 'bonus feature' of line-in on the base unit ;-)
would be far more convenient than reaching for a phone which must always be charged and sometimes slow to respond or lock screen controls arent active (nothing is playing) plus 101 other reasons why a phone is sometimes annoying.
Id buy one for every room if the price was right (e.g. sub $100).
I know logitech can do some of this but you have to be pretty 'tech savvy' to get it working right.
100mA sounds like a battery charger... for a very small battery.
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For this to be a Play 1 equivalent it would have to use about 1A, the label at FCC shows 100mA.
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Not long before I am put out of my misery:)
In total contrast to all the current voice recognition buzz, I'd really love to finally see a Gen2 Play:3. The original model looks rather vintage by now and could certainly use an update in sound characteristics as well, compared to those of the Play:1 and Play:5.
So it's very difficult to get ideal speakers and ideal microphones in the same device/location. IMO anyway.
Yep, which is why I'll be using Dots to control my Sonos speakers. Omnidirectional speakers aren't meant to sit near walls, and thus can't take advantage of the bass reinforcement that near-wall placement provides. They will never sound as good as proper hi-fi speakers like the Sonos line. I'm hoping this new device is just a microphone array, perhaps with Chromecast built in (to allow Google voice integration from Google Home, and casting).
I typically place my echo dots somewhere there are most likely to hear me. For example, my kitchen and living room is one open room, so I have the dot on the counter in the middle between the two. If the dot was against the far wall, it wouldn't hear me well when in the kitchen. If it was against the kitchen wall, it wouldn't hear me well in the living room. Getting 2 dots for each room wouldn't work well as the wrong dot would hear me (it matters sometimes). So in the middle is where the dot goes.
I would not want to place a PLAY:1 in the middle of my kitchen/living room.
Looking at it another way, speakers are almost always up against the walls of a room. However, you never see microphones up against a wall. They are always either held, attached closed to your face, or placed above near by to pick your voice. Voice Assistance are different as quality of the voice is a bit less important, but the concept is still in place.
So it's very difficult to get ideal speakers and ideal microphones in the same device/location. IMO anyway.
I would not want to place a PLAY:1 in the middle of my kitchen/living room.
Looking at it another way, speakers are almost always up against the walls of a room. However, you never see microphones up against a wall. They are always either held, attached closed to your face, or placed above near by to pick your voice. Voice Assistance are different as quality of the voice is a bit less important, but the concept is still in place.
So it's very difficult to get ideal speakers and ideal microphones in the same device/location. IMO anyway.
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