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Centennial is to deliver x32 apps via the,store. They don't magically become UWP and more touch friendly. The unfriendly desktop app I abhore would be just the same/worse on a small screen.. 😞
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That's not what Project Centennial is. You probably mean Islandwood (or the cancelled Astoria) see the link in my post above.

Actually, this is exactly what Centennial is, to convert win32 apps to UWP. I also know that Islandwood is used to convert an IOS app (and Astoria for Android) but Centennial is easy peasy in this situation.
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I do support the sentiment however.
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That's not what Project Centennial is. You probably mean Islandwood (or the cancelled Astoria) see the link in my post above.
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Care to explain how Sonos could build an alternative Windows controller "available to the entire MS Windows platform" -- which implies a desktop Win32 application -- that somehow just works on a Windows Phone at nil cost? Sonos have -- wisely IMHO -- decided not to proceed with WP/UWP development. WP's days are surely numbered; its market share is tiny.

Simple; leave the current win32 app alone for XP/7 users,then use Project Centennial to convert it to a UWP that will work on Windows 10 desktop, phone, Xbox, hololense, and IOT with limited development.

edit: Link for the lazy
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=51691
I've bought a pair of sonos play 5 a few months ago.. I also have a windows Phone and installed the paid version phonos as controller from the windows store on it. There is now a free version Phonos Universal Preview available that works fine windows mobile 10.
Gavin, Sonos has been 100% clear on their stance in regards to a Universal Windows App. Is there something about their announcement which you do not understand?
Care to explain how Sonos could build an alternative Windows controller "available to the entire MS Windows platform" -- which implies a desktop Win32 application -- that somehow just works on a Windows Phone at nil cost? Sonos have -- wisely IMHO -- decided not to proceed with WP/UWP development. WP's days are surely numbered; its market share is tiny.
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I do wonder if Sonos will just sit back and leave the PC with the very dated Sonos Windows controller. They could modernise that and at the same time make it available to the entire MS Windows platform. any other action would be pointless. So if Sonos support and respect MS as they state, PROVE IT?
Windows is still the OS of choice. Embrace it and make us WP users happy at the same time.
Cost? close to nil...
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Just to update my post from a few months ago, I have now trailed the Denon HEOS solution which is similar, if not better, on sound quality, cheaper and offers more function such as aux in and bluetooth. I contacted their support to ask about UWP controllers, and whilst there isn't one yet, it is in development. I'm therefore moving over to them. Look out for my bridges, :1 and :3 on eBay UK all.

It's a shame, Sonos, I like your products but the market is moving on and versatility is a must.

I'll repeat, even a UX refresh on the desktop app with universal search would be enough for me, but you just aren't interested and there seems no other way to proceed.


Horses for courses. If that particular nag suits your course then go for it. I'm not sure Denon's track record would fill me with oodles of confidence but at least you'll be au-fait with selling audio gear on flea bay.
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Just to update my post from a few months ago, I have now trailed the Denon HEOS solution which is similar, if not better, on sound quality, cheaper and offers more function such as aux in and bluetooth. I contacted their support to ask about UWP controllers, and whilst there isn't one yet, it is in development. I'm therefore moving over to them. Look out for my bridges, :1 and :3 on eBay UK all.

It's a shame, Sonos, I like your products but the market is moving on and versatility is a must.

I'll repeat, even a UX refresh on the desktop app with universal search would be enough for me, but you just aren't interested and there seems no other way to proceed.
There is only one type of computers where sales are not going down at the moment... 2in1 machines like the yoga's from lenovo, 360x's from hp and the surface line form MS. This is the PC's that I would like a better controler for. Not my phone, but all my touch friendly PC's 🙂 (and yes it will work on the phone as well but that's an afterthought)
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Gee, that's swell!


I`m glad you think so!

Bye!
I`d like to publicly thank SONOS for abandoning Windows as a supported platform going forward. This decision has forced me to look again at my needs and at alternatives and because of this I have realised how slow, clunky and inflexible Sonos is for my needs compared to the alternatives. I have now resurrected my Sequeezebox system, and it is far superior both in function and in sound quality. For me at least, Sonos was a very poor choice.

Gee, that's swell!
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I`d like to publicly thank SONOS for abandoning Windows as a supported platform going forward. This decision has forced me to look again at my needs and at alternatives and because of this I have realised how slow, clunky and inflexible Sonos is for my needs compared to the alternatives. I have now resurrected my Sequeezebox system, and it is far superior both in function and in sound quality. For me at least, Sonos was a very poor choice.
UWP would allow all windows based devices, would mean Xbox one support too!
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I re-registered today to lend my support for this plea for a sensible outcome here.

I own a Play:3 and :1, and am looking for another Play:1, Sub and Bar for my home cinema setup current in planning. However, I have been holding out for a refresh of the controller before diving in and I personally cannot invest at present.

As an aside, my household has 3 windows phones (me, my partner, my work phone), 2 Win 10 machines, 1 Win 10 Laptop, 1 win 8.1 laptop (work), a Surface Pro, a ASUS Win 10 touch screen netbook and Kindle Fire (I won't go into gaming machine). You can see we are invested in Microsoft then and it's easier to sell the Sonos kit than start buying iPads etc.

By far, the modern UI and universal search features on the Android/Kindle version are superior to the desktop app which is clunky and aged and does baffle guests. It isn't touch friendly for the touch screen machines.

Now, I do my research, I know the Bose wireless speaker solutions don't have UWP apps either, so I am stalled. I won't invest any more until I have something that works for me. Given this announcement, I feel Bose may get there first however.

Even if the desktop app got a UI overhaul, introduced touch friendly controls and universal searching, it would go some way to supporting this decision (until at least resource is freed up for Sonos to correctly address it). Unfortunately that won't get rid of the need to update the blasted think every couple of days when you update the Apple music integrations AGAIN. Yet another slap in the face thanks!

Now, it's been mentioned here a few times. If you are focused on iOS development, go for it. Project Islandwood (https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/bridges/ios) should allow any developer worth their salt to convert it fairly easily. I'm sure there are plenty of contractors out in California that can help you out say twice a year for say $20,000? That must be a fraction of the research budget no?
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I will get a SONOS Play:1 in a few days and it would be awesome if there was a Windows 10 App. My girlfriend and I are both using Windows 10 Mobile and our tablet runs Windows 10, too.

EDIT: Just read the answer, what a shame. I will consider to sell my SONOS (it's a present from a contract extension).
The Universal version of my app is now available in Preview: http://phonos.org/universal - try it out.
There are quite a few 3rd party UWP apps available all of a sudden, Chirp, Phonos UWP Beta and Zonos to name but a few. I much prefer Chirp myself, even though that's a paid app. Not fully featured yet, but god damned close and the UX is the better of them all IMO.


Well that's nice to see too 'emigrating'. I believe 3rd party development, was also one of the options I eluded to before, in my earlier post in this thread.
Emigrating,

You make some good points and I appreciate that people will continue to vent their feelings here.

Even though I started many years ago myself, with BBC Basic, Dos 5 and Dr Dos, Comodore 64, etc. I too went through all versions of Windows from Windows 3.0, 3.11, 95, 98, NT, 2000, Millennium XP etc ... right the way up to more recent times of Windows 8.0, 8.1 and now Windows 10.1

Likewise I and my family have had many mobile phones over the years with different operating systems, from Nokia, Samsung, Blackberry, Windows Mobile, Androd and more recently, for me, Apple iOS. Likewise I have used Android and iOS tablets.

Now despite all those past experiences I am considering changing my home PC's (Windows 10) to MAC's. My son in law, has just done this very thing, in fact.

The reason is I try to change and adapt with the things I need at the time and yes I know it's expensive and I know not everyone can afford to keep changing things and there is nothing more annoying when an announcement comes from a big company like Sonos, that throws a spanner in the works.

You can see, that even though this decision to not develop the Windows mobile controller, or create a new Windows app is unlikely to affect me in the long term, I still chose to come to this thread and express a view that I believed a universal web-browser-based app, was perhaps a way forward. I don't know if that is technically possible, although I would think it possibly is, but I'm sure the company would have looked at its own capabilities, the time, the costs etc and all those things that go into a very important company decision.

Now to reach such a decision can take time and a lot of careful thought.. and whether we agree with it, or not, the decision has been made.

The Sonos company have chosen their way forward and it's like I say, people either have to adapt or compromise, or move on.

The other posts that followed my original one, were mainly all about saying to Windows users that were affected by this decision, to consider the options now available to them, but for goodness sake don't immediately give up great Sonos speakers, PlayBars and other products just because of this one decision, as there are plenty of other options still open to the Windows user... I think the saying is 'Don't cut off your nose to spite your face' ... Actually I don't like that saying, as it always sounds a little harsh when I say it... But I think you get my drift.

I have previously listed what I thought some of the other options might be... But the truth is I still think there is plenty of scope and a variety of available options, going forward, that would allow many affected customers to still keep their much loved and admired Sonos hardware.

There is still very little out there on the market, to compete with a wireless, multi-room, multi-speaker synced audio system that has the option to create standalone speakers or stereo pairs or Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound and which allows 'on the fly' room grouping or playing same/different audio across the entire home.

If you want to give up all that first class hardware and architecture, on the basis you can't control it from a phone you bought sometime ago, then to me that is really 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' ... A phrase I really do hate, but have now said twice in one post !!.. I hope you understand the point I was trying to say here.
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The Universal version of my app is now available in Preview: http://phonos.org/universal - try it out.
There are quite a few 3rd party UWP apps available all of a sudden, Chirp, Phonos UWP Beta and Zonos to name but a few. I much prefer Chirp myself, even though that's a paid app. Not fully featured yet, but god damned close and the UX is the better of them all IMO.
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I too, would be a little 'miffed', if I was a Windows Mobile user
I'm not miffed because I'm a Win10M user, I have several other avenues of control (including the good old CR200's - although they've been severely crippled lately as well...).

I'm miffed because they [Sonos] are acting like arrogant snobs, yet again, by not being willing to develop a UWP app that would run on ALL Windows 10 systems. I would love to have the same Sonos app running on my phone as on my Xbox One's or Surface Pro's, especially if they added Cortana support as well so I could say "Hey Cortana, queue up the Prince collection for me in the kitchen".

Sure, there's already a Windows app available, but it's a legacy application that more and more people are refusing to install on their computers or tablets. Not only because it's touch unfriendly (and that's putting it nicely) but also because you have to manually install it whereas Windows Store apps can automatically restore on new devices, settings roam between devices, they're sandboxed (not such a huge deal with official software, but it's not unheard of for official apps from large companies to include virii or other malware unwittingly).

Deciding not to cater for, basically, all Windows users going forward is shortsighted and had this been a publically traded company there would be huge questions from stockholders.
Good point scoob101, but no good company stands still these days and many things will always be 'subject to change'.

I too, would be a little 'miffed', if I was a Windows Mobile user ... and the point I made much earlier in this thread, would be for the Sonos Development team to go down the route of creating a universal app for plugin to the various web browsers, either desktop or mobile. That's obviously easier said than done! It may, or may not be, within the companies existing capabilities. I can think of many restrictions that may prevent such development.

At least Sonos were brave enough to make what must have been a difficult decision and then announce it, at what was probably the earliest opportunity. These decisions take an awful lot of research and time.

Now the decision has been made though, the existing users have a number of choices, not least, they can:

Continue to use their equipment as they do now.
Buy another available controller, new or second hand, within their affordable budget.
See if they can run other platform controllers through an emulator on their mobile (or over rdp - not ideal)
Hope for some third party Windows mobile developer to solve the issue.
Sell up and buy something else.

I don't think I have forgotten any option, but there maybe others that elude me at this moment in time.

Anyhow my point is, if you sincerely like the Sonos products (and I assume most people here do, that's why they are part of the community forum), then why on earth forsake a good piece of hardware, which the Sonos Soeakers are, just because their windows mobile is not supported as the controller, when there are plenty of other options around.

Lots of things I own, have limitations that I have to get around ... and I'm sure plenty of us manage to carry on when we encounter such obstacles. Remote controls for TV and the various connected pieces of hardware is a prime example.

This is not the end for Sonos, it is simply a direction they have chosen to go in... As a new, but loyal customer myself, because I really do admire their products, I would choose to follow them personally, but that may not be for everyone. The decision now is one for the customer (existing, or future) to make for themselves... oh and those individual decisions too, can be 'subject to change'. ha ha
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SONOS announce a true Windows APP available on smartphones and tabs...

The Sonos controller does run on Mac (PC), Android, Windows (PC) and iOS ... Just not on Windows Mobile... The advert you show is not technically misleading the customer.


Some would argue they are being economical with the truth, but that's not uncommon for tech companies. I think were asking a little too much to have it pointed out this is only Legacy win32 support. I`m impressed we even got a proper response from Sonos - asking for anything else is fantasy IMO given what the company is trying to do to stay relevant in a changing marketplace.

When windows 10 is the dominant desktop OS, perhaps things could change, but were talking years rather than months and Sonos might not even be around in a couple of years if their efforts to re-invent Sonos don't work.
SONOS announce a true Windows APP available on smartphones and tabs...

The Sonos controller does run on Mac (PC), Android, Windows (PC) and iOS ... Just not on Windows Mobile... The advert you show is not technically misleading the customer.

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