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Please point me to the pile of complaints. 

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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sonos.acr2&hl=en_CA&gl=US&showAllReviews=true

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Some years back I had a Linn system. No tone controls or equaliser there, in a system costing more than I care to admit just for music in one room - quite a bit more than £3.5k. And they’re not the only audiophile company offering amps without tone controls or equalisers. 

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While I can see where you are coming from and understand your strong desire for more control; I can also see the desire for simplicity. As someone who has never touched an equalizer in my life (both in cars or with high end audio equipment) I rely on how it was originally done and dare I say trust that they are optimizing it for what the artist had in mind. I would also say that the Sonos staff are extremely dedicated to optimizing each music experience and style on their equipment prior to production. Not sure the style of music you prefer but try Sonos Radio HD or one of the other hi-def services and you will be blown away with what some of those speakers produce. 

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@Jeffrey_35 There are people like you who like simplicity, there are people like me who like to maximize the potential of our products. That’s the beauty of it. I respect your choice and Sonos should respect it too.

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@chicks This TruePlay system is only available on Apple, no TruePlay on Android devices.

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To the OP, have a look at Roon as it may have the features you are looking for although at a cost.

 

https://help.roonlabs.com/portal/en/kb/articles/dsp-engine

@chicks This TruePlay system is only available on Apple, no TruePlay on Android devices.

No, the TUNING process can only be done on Apple.  Once tuned, will stay that way, regardless of which OS the control app is running on.  Borrow an iPhone...

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I have not read the whole thread but to the OP… look at Roon it may do what you want with Sonos although at a cost.

 

https://help.roonlabs.com/portal/en/kb/articles/dsp-engine

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Thanks i will try it but i am 100% sure it does not and will never replace a real equalizer that the user chooses to configure by HIMSELF and not one made by a robot. Sometimes you have to go back to the source of things that works and stop trying to reinvent the wheel.
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@John B

Sonos is not a charity for the benefit of persons who self-identify as audiophiles. Sonos presumably includes features that enough Average Joes will value and use.

What you regard as 'basic functionality' is something I regard as useless at best. Let's just agree to differ. 

John, your opinion may not reflect the opinion of the general public. I'm sure if Sonos would do a poll on their official page indicating that they would like to add new features to personalize their sound, I'm sure many would be delighted and the votes would tilt in my favor. We can not just trust the opinion of the same 5 people who take stubbornly pleasure against my idea since the beginning of this post.

 

Sonos is not a charity for the benefit of persons who self-identify as audiophiles.

I do not agree those who are willing to pay 3k and more for a setup are those who appreciate music beyond the general average. I hope potential Sonos customers won't read this.

SONOS speakers largely under-exploited. Being an audiophile for a long time, I notice that the qualities of the Sonos speakers are of great precision and of great quality. On the other hand it is spoiled at the level of the system which manages them, in effect the application does not offer in ANY WAY to adjust the sound to the top level with an equalizer (10 bands and +). Since every style of music is NOT EQUALS AT ALL, a professional sound system such as SONOS should give us the choice by offering us a QUALITY EQUALIZER option. 

I have spent a decade in the Alice in Wonderland world of audiophiles; it was a very expensive hobby.

There was and probably still exists a very strong body of opinion in that world about how tone controls of any kind do not have a place in a truly audiophile set up, because they corrupt the signal. The supposedly virgin signal. Which is why even today, many stereo amps offer a choice to bypass tone controls because the belief is that even if the tone controls are set to flat, that circuitry corrupts the virgin.

Then there are respected makes like Quad that know that the final result isn't from the virgin signal alone, but how it, fed into the speakers, makes the speakers deliver sound that interacts with room acoustics before it is heard and that this corruption needs to be countered by the corruption of tilt control - in essence a way to change the slope of the entire frequency response such that no frequency is allowed to unnaturally jump out.

And there are the conventional tone controls, the kind Sonos has. A equaliser is nothing but a toy for boys that want to imagine themselves at mixing consoles, or even on the bridge of Starship Enterprise. It does little more to the SQ than what Sonos Eq can do if used in every permutation/combination of the Sonos sliders. Where it does more, is by rendering the sound to be unnatural. Now, there are some who want that option, but Sonos does not seem to see that lot as its target market.

True play is of course just the Sonos opinion of what is the correct sound for a given room. I find that it either has no more than a very subtle or no effect, or a beneficial one where the Sub is in the mix. But that does not mean that it has to be everyone’s taste, this Sonos opinion, which is why Sonos offers the option of toggling it off. Which can be done on Android devices as well.

 

 

John, your opinion may not reflect the opinion of the general public.

 I hope potential Sonos customers won't read this.

Erm...neither does yours though you claim that here at the end of the quoted sentence by speaking for all people, while John does not do so for his opinion:

having a 3 choice of adjustment is NORMALLY the basis of things as in all the other daily devices that I use and that all people use 

And I do hope that potential Sonos customers read the entire thread so those that want the jazz that you do, do not buy Sonos.

Full marks to you for tenacity, though :joy:

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@Kumar

Kumar I don't understand why you treat people like boys who play games, those who use an equalizer. We should first of all respect people. Then since I was 10 years old that I appreciate the quality of sound, today I work in music and I am in relation with people who work with concert sound equipment of very great value and let me tell you, these people all have analog equalizers and aren't playing with toys. They are qualified people who know what they are doing. Now with regard to Sonos if the option can affect the virgin quality of the signal then it will be necessary to weigh the pros and cons, either to have a loss to the virgin signal or to have a poorly calibrated sound. As a customer I would like to HAVE THE CHOICE and well for the moment it is obviously not possible. If unfortunately the sound would not be virgin even in flat mode, then simply have a button to bypass this mode completely according to the customer's desire.

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in relation with people who work with concert sound equipment of very great value and let me tell you, these people all have analog equalizers and aren't having fun like boys. They are qualified people who know what they are doing.

If you think that by adding an equaliser to Sonos at home, you will get the same kind of control that people referred to above get in a sound mixing studio, it is not going to happen. That is what I meant by equaliser use - I was not referring to those that use it in a mixing studio.

I do not for a moment believe that a quality home sound system must have an equaliser, and I suspect Sonos thinks the same way. So there is very little chance that Sonos will give you this feature - you have to now figure out your next steps.

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@Kumar 

In an ideal world everyone would listen to the same music and everyone would enjoy the same type of sound. On the other hand, the beauty of it is that in the world we live in, not everyone has the same tastes. There are several frequencies of low, mid and high and all enjoyed in certain ways. If Sonos does not want to hear anything then just AT LEAST put us a slide to control the mid-range, at least I will have the feeling to have the equivalent of settings as in my old car.

 

There are several frequencies of low, mid and high and all enjoyed in certain ways.

Something for you to think over - I have heard how the designer of Harbeth speakers designs his speakers that are well known for delivering natural sound. He does this using the human voice, and the piano. He holds that if these two sound good/natural, so will everything else within the limitations of the frequency response of the speaker design. He does not spent time listening to every possible frequency and how that sounds, for very long.

You can of course disagree.

 

 

In an ideal world everyone would listen to the same music and everyone would enjoy the same type of sound. 

And that would be a horrible world. Imagine the spice girls 24/7/365 as one example.

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@John B If the Development resource is finite then they should add us at least the slide to adjust the MID-RANGE. For me, this frequency breaks my ears, I hate it, I usually put it to a minimum and the sound is much more pleasant, it's my taste and for the health of my eardrums. I understand that the Development resource is limited, but with a market cap of 3.77 billion I believe they should get there with a little effort. I took a programming course, it's not complicated you copy the same line of code for the bass or treble slide and you just modify the ranges. Where we are going to send them a request? Because obviously here it seems that we are talking into the void, just with this post now of 25 comments I have seen absolutely no official representative of SONOS interested in our discussion, it confirms what I said since the beginning of this post.
they should add us at least the slide to adjust the MID-RANGE. For me, this frequency breaks my ears, I hate it, I usually put it to a minimum and the sound is much more pleasant, it's my taste.

Are you suggesting that you cannot adjust the mid range on Sonos today via the two existing EQ sliders? What is it that you put to a minimum? And if, as you seem to say, that is to your taste, what is then the problem?

I took a programming course, it's not complicated 

I once played MS Flight Simulator.  Think I’ll go fly a real 747 - it’s not complicated. :rolling_eyes:

Because obviously here it seems that we are talking into the void, just with this post now of 25 comments I have seen absolutely no official representative of SONOS interested in our discussion, it confirms what I said since the beginning of this post.

Sonos has surely seen this thread already, and I’m a little surprised no one has posted the standard message that they appreciate the suggestion and will pass it on.  Perhaps they want to see where this thread ends up, if others share your point of view on it before chiming in.

 

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Well the post unfortunately does not seem to lead to much unfortunately with low-end comments like @chicks .

 

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Ken just because you can't find complaints doesn't mean that users wouldn't be happy to have this feature, most people who have Sonos sound systems aren't even aware of this forum and aren't. not even registered. Just because there aren't enough complaints to your liking doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered. I did a search on google and in 5 seconds I found complaints, it is not just a question of scrolling a page randomly, it is obvious that the majority of people do not have time to think about equalizing it because most of them do not even manage to have a good connection with the system.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sonos/comments/gzcdbv/no_improved_eq_in_s2/

 

@Ken_Griffiths

Ken just because you can't find complaints doesn't mean that users wouldn't be happy to have this feature, most people who have Sonos sound systems aren't even aware of this forum and aren't. not even registered. Just because there aren't enough complaints to your liking doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered. I did a search on google and in 5 seconds I found complaints, it is not just a question of scrolling a page randomly, it is obvious that the majority of people do not have time to think about equalizing it because most of them do not even manage to have a good connection with the system.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sonos/comments/gzcdbv/no_improved_eq_in_s2/

 

Ken searched for the word ‘equalizer’ on the link you provided and found nothing.  He wasn’t looking on the Sonos forum.  Not sure how you managed to find complaints in 5 seconds, following your link, but either you just assumed they were there and didn’t confirm, searched for much longer than 5 seconds, or didn’t think anyone else would actually look.  

And for the record, if you search on the forums for ‘equalizer’, it’s not that hard to find people with the same request as you.  Whether that equates to a ‘pile of complaints’ compares to other feature requests…

And as far as the claim that people are too busy complaining about connections to be able to complain about the EQ...if that were the case, then Sonos would be a miserable failure of a company, long since out of business, rather than beating market revenue expectations.

There is nothing wrong with personally wanting a better EQ.  It’s just the attempt to make it bigger than you’re own want, as a severely lack in the product that millions of other users are clamoring for….there just isn’t evidence of that.

 

First time posting! I think an equalizer would be a great addition. Everyone has personal preferences to how they like to hear their music. If you like music flat & as it comes from the recording studio then great don’t bother using the tone controls/equalizer and if it sounds better (to you) after you’ve done some tone adjustments then that's just as good. Surely its all about choice and this is (I would have thought) a relatively simple addition that would enhance the flexibility of the system.