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Please tell me why I can’t disable sound delay on the Sonos Port line input? Minimal settings is 0.75 sec. Why you cant add a zero settings?
In some cases this is absolutely necessary. When I bought your product, I didn’t know that I couldn’t remove the sound delay.
Moderator edit: changed output to input
Doesn't this mean that audio delay is a problem?
Problem or not (for some), there's a legitimate reason for it, and it's not going away because removing it causes far more problems for Sonos' core features than it does for edge cases that Sonos simply wasn't designed for, nor marketed towards.
Long story short, if you are looking for a live performance speaker with no delay, buy a speaker designed for live performance with no delay. Don't expect one which is specifically not designed/marketed for that type of use to accomodate your needs.
As to using Bluesound, it's also going to have a delay. Any multi-room streamer will. There's simply no denying the laws of physics.
I don’t argue with this, it’s obvious, but I don't really understand why analogue passthrough without delays cannot be implemented on such devices, since they have a line input.
Because there is no analog passthrough. Everything is digital, including the Port volume control, so there’s no way of bypassing it. Also, as stated, if you simply want an analog passthrough to your speakers, why bother using a multi-room streamer to accomplish this? Use an analog speaker, there are thousands of them on the market.
I think I shall draw a line here and not contribute further.
An installer, on these community forums for well over 10 years, doesn’t understand the technology he’s installing and can’t understand what lots of us are telling him.
Either he should get training from Sonos, or take up his issues direct with them.
We on these forums are mere users, not Sonos staff. I think we’ve reached the limit of what we can say; already we’re repeating ourselves.
I’ll probably continue to read this thread, for its entertainment value. But I shall contribute no more. Have fun, folks!
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Because Sonos needs it to sync music over devices. Even if you have no other devices Sonos is wired like this.
Please tell me why I can’t disable sound delay on the Sonos Port line output? Minimal settings is 0.75 sec. Why you cant add a zero settings?
In some cases this is absolutely necessary. When I bought your product, I didn’t know that I couldn’t remove the sound delay.
There are literally dozens of threads, explaining in excruciating detail, why the buffering delay is not removable. Here are a few:
It looks like this was done deliberately, but I don't understand why?
I suggest again, read the threads. It's explained several times. Hint: Streaming in perfect sync to multiple rooms/devices requires the buildup of a buffer in order to ensure reliability with no dropouts.
It looks like this was done deliberately, but I don't understand why?
I suggest again, read the threads. It's explained several times. Hint: Streaming in perfect sync to multiple rooms/devices requires the buildup of a buffer in order to ensure reliability with no dropouts.
That’s a pretty big hint! 😜
The delay is to enable synchronised multi-room audio. This was (AIUI) the business model for Sonos when the company first established. Whilst they could, I expect, develop a speaker without a delay, why would they? There are thousands of that type of speaker. And it’d be a single speaker, so that hardly fits Sonos’s business model.
Frankly, I’m staggered you still don’t get this, since you’ve been on these forums for more than 10 years and you say that you’re an installer. How can you install kit for all this time without having a proper understanding of it?
I agree with
I have no idea what you are attempting to accomplish. If you have a control system on site, it’s not so hard to patch around the delay when necessary. In many cases the only hardware required would be an RCA-Y. You may not need a control system, just a change in the system operation. Or adding a single button in your control system might accomplish what you need.
(Against my better judgement):
To the OP, please describe, IN DETAIL, what you are trying to accomplish (use Google translate if you have to). State the devices you are using, what they are for, how they are connected, and why you wish to do what you wish to do.
Knock it off with the insulting and demeaning language, the name calling, and the condescending references. Just list what you are trying to do, because as far as I can see, unless you are trying to install a PA type system for announcements or live music, there is nothing about the delay on a Sonos Line-In which would prevent you from accomplishing you goals, if you set it up correctly.
Unfortunately, I use the local voice assistant Alice by Yandex. Most likely you don't even know about its existence.)))
I was aware of Yandex, but did not know that they built their own voice assistant. I guess Alexa and Google Assistant aren’t offered in Russian, so Алиса is your only option.
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(Against my better judgement):
To the OP, please describe, IN DETAIL, what you are trying to accomplish (use Google translate if you have to). State the devices you are using, what they are for, how they are connected, and why you wish to do what you wish to do.
Knock it off with the insulting and demeaning language, the name calling, and the condescending references. Just list what you are trying to do, because as far as I can see, unless you are trying to install a PA type system for announcements or live music, there is nothing about the delay on a Sonos Line-In which would prevent you from accomplishing you goals, if you set it up correctly.
Hello! I'm trying to create a multiroom system that combines the functions of streaming from a smartphone (airplay) and duplicating sound from a voice assistant (smart speaker with Yandex Alice - the Russian analogue of Alexa, I think).
To do this, I connect Yandex Alice to streamer analog input (in this case Sonos), and a multi-channel amplifier is connected to streamer output. Amplifier connect to ceiling speakers.
I have 4 such zones. Each zone has a smart speaker (1 in the room, second in rack mount. Both speakers combined into one pair), but my client wants to hear sound from smart speaker played through ceiling speakers without losing ability to use airplay function.
The diagrams above do not show smart speakers that are installed in rooms.
Each of them is combined into one pair with smart speakers on this circuit.
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Hello everyone, as promised, I tested the Bluesound NODE streamer.
1. It also has a sound delay.
2. It has a delay less than sonos, which is almost unnoticeable. 0.5 ms versus 0.75 ms for Sonos
3. Its main drawback and why it is not suitable for my installation is that Bluesound does not have an autosensor for analog input.
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Unfortunately, I use the local voice assistant Alice by Yandex. Most likely you don't even know about its existence.)))
I was aware of Yandex, but did not know that they built their own voice assistant. I guess Alexa and Google Assistant aren’t offered in Russian, so Алиса is your only option.
exactly
Yandex smart speakers lineup
With respect,
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Please tell me why I can’t disable sound delay on the Sonos Port line output? Minimal settings is 0.75 sec. Why you cant add a zero settings?
In some cases this is absolutely necessary. When I bought your product, I didn’t know that I couldn’t remove the sound delay.
There are literally dozens of threads, explaining in excruciating detail, why the buffering delay is not removable. Here are a few:
It looks like this was done deliberately, but I don't understand why?
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With respect,
I am an installer and have been installing Sonos streamers for many years, probably one of the pioneers of this brand in our country.
but at the moment the needs of one of my projects require audio transmission without delay and I did not know that it was installed by default in the software.
I am simultaneously promoting a bluesound project where four streamers are also involved, I may have to swap them.
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Because Sonos needs it to sync music over devices. Even if you have no other devices Sonos is wired like this.
sounds like an ultimatum
With respect,
I am an installer and have been installing Sonos streamers for many years, probably one of the pioneers of this brand in our country.
but at the moment the needs of one of my projects require audio transmission without delay and I did not know that it was installed by default in the software.
I am simultaneously promoting a bluesound project where four streamers are also involved, I may have to swap them.
I guess you will have to swap them then. The reason for the delay is explained in threads mentioned above, so there’s no point in repeating it here.
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Please tell me why I can’t disable sound delay on the Sonos Port line output? Minimal settings is 0.75 sec. Why you cant add a zero settings?
In some cases this is absolutely necessary. When I bought your product, I didn’t know that I couldn’t remove the sound delay.
There are literally dozens of threads, explaining in excruciating detail, why the buffering delay is not removable. Here are a few:
Doesn't this mean that audio delay is a problem?
Please tell me why I can’t disable sound delay on the Sonos Port line output? Minimal settings is 0.75 sec. Why you cant add a zero settings?
In some cases this is absolutely necessary. When I bought your product, I didn’t know that I couldn’t remove the sound delay.
There are literally dozens of threads, explaining in excruciating detail, why the buffering delay is not removable. Here are a few:
Doesn't this mean that audio delay is a problem?
As an installer for many years you’ve got more experience than me. That said, you’ve never seen it as a problem before…
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With respect,
I am an installer and have been installing Sonos streamers for many years, probably one of the pioneers of this brand in our country.
but at the moment the needs of one of my projects require audio transmission without delay and I did not know that it was installed by default in the software.
I am simultaneously promoting a bluesound project where four streamers are also involved, I may have to swap them.
I guess you will have to swap them then. The reason for the delay is explained in threads mentioned above, so there’s no point in repeating it here.
sounds weird (I'm talking about Sonos), but thanks anyway
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Please tell me why I can’t disable sound delay on the Sonos Port line output? Minimal settings is 0.75 sec. Why you cant add a zero settings?
In some cases this is absolutely necessary. When I bought your product, I didn’t know that I couldn’t remove the sound delay.
There are literally dozens of threads, explaining in excruciating detail, why the buffering delay is not removable. Here are a few:
Doesn't this mean that audio delay is a problem?
As an installer you’ve got more experience than me. That said, you’ve never seen it as a problem before…
Never.
The sound delay, as far as I understand, is needed for sound synchronization in party mode in adjacent rooms or lip synchronization if a TV is connected.
Sonos streamers and not only Sonos I install exclusively as zonal streamers for airplay.
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Doesn't this mean that audio delay is a problem?
Problem or not (for some), there's a legitimate reason for it, and it's not going away because removing it causes far more problems for Sonos' core features than it does for edge cases that Sonos simply wasn't designed for, nor marketed towards.
Long story short, if you are looking for a live performance speaker with no delay, buy a speaker designed for live performance with no delay. Don't expect one which is specifically not designed/marketed for that type of use to accomodate your needs.
As to using Bluesound, it's also going to have a delay. Any multi-room streamer will. There's simply no denying the laws of physics.
Bluesound also will have a delay?
Wait, maybe I don’t fully understand the reason for the delay?
It seemed to me Sonos for some reason did this on purpose and did not want to made a settings equal to 0 seconds.
To be clear, we're talking about the delay of analog audio that is sent to line input of Sonos Port and passed through output.
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