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Please tell me why I can’t disable sound delay on the Sonos Port line input? Minimal settings is 0.75 sec. Why you cant add a zero settings?
In some cases this is absolutely necessary. When I bought your product, I didn’t know that I couldn’t remove the sound delay.
Moderator edit: changed output to input
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Unfortunately, I use the local voice assistant Alice by Yandex. Most likely you don't even know about its existence.)))
I was aware of Yandex, but did not know that they built their own voice assistant. I guess Alexa and Google Assistant aren’t offered in Russian, so Алиса is your only option.
exactly
Yandex smart speakers lineup
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Hello everyone, as promised, I tested the Bluesound NODE streamer.
1. It also has a sound delay.
2. It has a delay less than sonos, which is almost unnoticeable. 0.5 ms versus 0.75 ms for Sonos
3. Its main drawback and why it is not suitable for my installation is that Bluesound does not have an autosensor for analog input.
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(Against my better judgement):
To the OP, please describe, IN DETAIL, what you are trying to accomplish (use Google translate if you have to). State the devices you are using, what they are for, how they are connected, and why you wish to do what you wish to do.
Knock it off with the insulting and demeaning language, the name calling, and the condescending references. Just list what you are trying to do, because as far as I can see, unless you are trying to install a PA type system for announcements or live music, there is nothing about the delay on a Sonos Line-In which would prevent you from accomplishing you goals, if you set it up correctly.
Hello! I'm trying to create a multiroom system that combines the functions of streaming from a smartphone (airplay) and duplicating sound from a voice assistant (smart speaker with Yandex Alice - the Russian analogue of Alexa, I think).
To do this, I connect Yandex Alice to streamer analog input (in this case Sonos), and a multi-channel amplifier is connected to streamer output. Amplifier connect to ceiling speakers.
I have 4 such zones. Each zone has a smart speaker (1 in the room, second in rack mount. Both speakers combined into one pair), but my client wants to hear sound from smart speaker played through ceiling speakers without losing ability to use airplay function.
The diagrams above do not show smart speakers that are installed in rooms.
Each of them is combined into one pair with smart speakers on this circuit.
Unfortunately, I use the local voice assistant Alice by Yandex. Most likely you don't even know about its existence.)))
I was aware of Yandex, but did not know that they built their own voice assistant. I guess Alexa and Google Assistant aren’t offered in Russian, so Алиса is your only option.
(Against my better judgement):
To the OP, please describe, IN DETAIL, what you are trying to accomplish (use Google translate if you have to). State the devices you are using, what they are for, how they are connected, and why you wish to do what you wish to do.
Knock it off with the insulting and demeaning language, the name calling, and the condescending references. Just list what you are trying to do, because as far as I can see, unless you are trying to install a PA type system for announcements or live music, there is nothing about the delay on a Sonos Line-In which would prevent you from accomplishing you goals, if you set it up correctly.
I have no idea what you are attempting to accomplish. If you have a control system on site, it’s not so hard to patch around the delay when necessary. In many cases the only hardware required would be an RCA-Y. You may not need a control system, just a change in the system operation. Or adding a single button in your control system might accomplish what you need.
Thanks, Kumar I read this thread. If I understand correctly, there will be no audio delay only when the Sonos Port is disconnected from the Internet? This is not my case unfortunately.
In the way that is set out, the internet is no longer required by the Sonos device to play music from the net, the internet is instead connected to the other device that is connected to Sonos line in jacks.
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I agree with
Dear Friend. You just don’t understand the difficulties I have to face trying to marry incompatible equipment.
I tried to describe the task above in general terms. I don't think anyone understood it in my broken English.
So just accept it as a fact and stop being so nervous.
ps
If, as you say, this topic has been raised hundreds of times, then the problem still exists and this is not a problem of “stupid” users, but solely the will of the manufacturer, who, for obvious reasons, does not want to complicate production and make its platform more expensive.
ps/ps
If hundreds of people decided to write about this problem, how many people just having read topic with answer and closed the page? Thousands? Who knows?
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See this for what may be of use as it seems to have for some. Or it may not, it is not a Sonos supported “solution”.
See this for what may be of use as it seems to have for some. Or it may not, it is not a Sonos supported “solution”.
Thanks, Kumar I read this thread. If I understand correctly, there will be no audio delay only when the Sonos Port is disconnected from the Internet? This is not my case unfortunately.
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I think I shall draw a line here and not contribute further.
An installer, on these community forums for well over 10 years, doesn’t understand the technology he’s installing and can’t understand what lots of us are telling him.
Either he should get training from Sonos, or take up his issues direct with them.
We on these forums are mere users, not Sonos staff. I think we’ve reached the limit of what we can say; already we’re repeating ourselves.
I’ll probably continue to read this thread, for its entertainment value. But I shall contribute no more. Have fun, folks!
I think I shall draw a line here and not contribute further.
An installer, on these community forums for well over 10 years, doesn’t understand the technology he’s installing and can’t understand what lots of us are telling him.
Either he should get training from Sonos, or take up his issues direct with them.
We on these forums are mere users, not Sonos staff. I think we’ve reached the limit of what we can say; already we’re repeating ourselves.
I’ll probably continue to read this thread, for its entertainment value. But I shall contribute no more. Have fun, folks!
I’ll be honest, I feel a little sorry for the person who in 2024 calls simple audio streaming “technology” and believes that to understand this "rocket science" you need to undergo training.
My problem is that I was faced with a non-trivial task that I could solve using the analog inputs of a multiroom streamer since they have an autosensor for turning on the audio input. But unfortunately I came across several pitfalls.
Soon I will have opportunity to test Bluesound NODE by audio delay on analog input.
(A very nervous person above, told me that the same thing will happen with Bluesound. We will see) I will certainly report the results in this thread.
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Maybe I'm wrong and there will be a similar delay on all devices, which means I will need to reconsider my installation scheme.
The fact is that in the pool I have a smart speaker with a voice assistant, but at the same time it must transmit sound to the ceiling speakers. Therefore, the second speaker combined into a group is located in a rack and is connected to the sonos via the linear input, which is connected to the parasound amplifiers. But when I listen to music through a smart speaker, the sound from the ceiling speakers is delayed and it is very noticeable. I can’t completely turn off the sound of the smart speaker in the pool because through it I listen to answers to voice commands and questions. (synchronization of voice responses with the second speaker in the group is not provided)
And the systems should also provide the ability to stream from a smartphone via airplay, which is why I install Sonos.
In a word, everything is complicated and confusing.
I'm not sure that anyone could even understand what I wrote in my poor English.
Which voice assistant are you using? Amazon Alexa? If so, then you won’t be able to get them to play in sync as they are not designed for that. You can have Alexa setup via Alexa groups to always play music on a Sonos speaker(s) rather than it’s own speaker. That would effectively completely turn off music on the smart speaker with voice assistant, assuming it’s an echo, but still allow Alexa to speak through the echo.
I believe something similar exists for Google Assistant, but I have used GA in quite some time.
edit:
https://support.sonos.com/en-us/article/control-sonos-with-amazon-alexa
https://support.sonos.com/en-us/article/control-sonos-with-the-google-assistant
Unfortunately, I use the local voice assistant Alice by Yandex. Most likely you don't even know about its existence.)))
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I don’t argue with this, it’s obvious, but I don't really understand why analogue passthrough without delays cannot be implemented on such devices, since they have a line input.
Because there is no analog passthrough. Everything is digital, including the Port volume control, so there’s no way of bypassing it. Also, as stated, if you simply want an analog passthrough to your speakers, why bother using a multi-room streamer to accomplish this? Use an analog speaker, there are thousands of them on the market.
That's what I wanted to hear. In this box, everything is assembled around one chip, analog circuits and an audio inputs selector here does not exist in traditional understanding.
The analog audio input is just a bonus.
See this for what may be of use as it seems to have for some. Or it may not, it is not a Sonos supported “solution”.
I agree with
I think I shall draw a line here and not contribute further.
An installer, on these community forums for well over 10 years, doesn’t understand the technology he’s installing and can’t understand what lots of us are telling him.
Either he should get training from Sonos, or take up his issues direct with them.
We on these forums are mere users, not Sonos staff. I think we’ve reached the limit of what we can say; already we’re repeating ourselves.
I’ll probably continue to read this thread, for its entertainment value. But I shall contribute no more. Have fun, folks!
Maybe I'm wrong and there will be a similar delay on all devices, which means I will need to reconsider my installation scheme.
The fact is that in the pool I have a smart speaker with a voice assistant, but at the same time it must transmit sound to the ceiling speakers. Therefore, the second speaker combined into a group is located in a rack and is connected to the sonos via the linear input, which is connected to the parasound amplifiers. But when I listen to music through a smart speaker, the sound from the ceiling speakers is delayed and it is very noticeable. I can’t completely turn off the sound of the smart speaker in the pool because through it I listen to answers to voice commands and questions. (synchronization of voice responses with the second speaker in the group is not provided)
And the systems should also provide the ability to stream from a smartphone via airplay, which is why I install Sonos.
In a word, everything is complicated and confusing.
I'm not sure that anyone could even understand what I wrote in my poor English.
Which voice assistant are you using? Amazon Alexa? If so, then you won’t be able to get them to play in sync as they are not designed for that. You can have Alexa setup via Alexa groups to always play music on a Sonos speaker(s) rather than it’s own speaker. That would effectively completely turn off music on the smart speaker with voice assistant, assuming it’s an echo, but still allow Alexa to speak through the echo.
I believe something similar exists for Google Assistant, but I have used GA in quite some time.
edit:
https://support.sonos.com/en-us/article/control-sonos-with-amazon-alexa
https://support.sonos.com/en-us/article/control-sonos-with-the-google-assistant
I don’t argue with this, it’s obvious, but I don't really understand why analogue passthrough without delays cannot be implemented on such devices, since they have a line input.
Because there is no analog passthrough. Everything is digital, including the Port volume control, so there’s no way of bypassing it. Also, as stated, if you simply want an analog passthrough to your speakers, why bother using a multi-room streamer to accomplish this? Use an analog speaker, there are thousands of them on the market.
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I understood that you are very irritable.
but I never heard an answer to the question.
Why can't Sonos just turn off the delay by adding another point equal to 0 seconds?
Sonos can even set it to 0.75 seconds by default, but it seemed to me that 0 seconds should be present in the settings.
Because if you switch the buffer to 0 seconds, any errors in the stream; dropped packets, WiFi interference, synching cues, network errors, bandwidth problems, etc. cannot be corrected before they are supposed to be played, and the stream will cease streaming until those corrections are made. This is why any digital processing which can be affected by network anomalies (and that is all of them) is buffered.
I don’t argue with this, it’s obvious, but I don't really understand why analogue passthrough without delays cannot be implemented on such devices, since they have a line input.
I'm talking about delays on line input.
I have an additional device connected to the Sonos port via an analog input and the sound from it comes with a noticeable delay.
It’s been explained, many, many times, specifically for your analog line-in source. If you can’t understand it by now, I would honestly just give up and realize it is a fact that cannot be eliminated.
I understood that you are very irritable.
but I never heard an answer to the question.
Why can't Sonos just turn off the delay by adding another point equal to 0 seconds?
Sonos can even set it to 0.75 seconds by default, but it seemed to me that 0 seconds should be present in the settings.
Because once the analog source enters the Port Line-In, it is digitized in order to stream/sync it to other rooms. And if you switch the buffer to 0 seconds, any errors in the stream; dropped packets, WiFi interference, synching cues, network errors, bandwidth problems, etc. cannot be corrected before they are supposed to be played, and the stream will cease streaming until those corrections are made. This is why any digital processing which can be affected by network anomalies (and that is all of them) is buffered.
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Bluesound also will have a delay?
Wait, maybe I don’t fully understand the reason for the delay?
It seemed to me Sonos for some reason did this on purpose and did not want to made a settings equal to 0 seconds.
To be clear, we're talking about the delay of analog audio that is sent to line input of Sonos Port and passed through output.
Good Lord, what is it that you do not understand?????? The analog line-in source is real time. In order to stream that source to multiple rooms in perfect sync, that real-time source must be buffered, so any transmission problems; dropped packets, interference, sync adjustments, can be corrected and processed before the buffer runs out and a dropout occurs. This goes for every real-time source streamed to any multi-room synchronized streamer, including Bluesound.
I'm talking about delays on line input.
I have an additional device connected to the Sonos port via an analog input and the sound from it comes with a noticeable delay.
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Thank you, I read everything carefully. But I don’t really understand your slightly irritated tone.
I would like to know why there is a delay. Is this done specifically at the software level or is it a hardware limitation related to analog-to-digital conversion.
The delay is to allow for buffering for multi-room streaming and sync. What is so hard about that (and where was it not explained, several times already, in those linked threads)?
As to software vs. hardware limitation, why does that matter? It’s a necessary function of a core capability of Sonos (and other) multi-room streamers. Knowing if it is software based or hardware based is just so you can argue that a software based buffer means Sonos should compromise that core functionality for your anecdotal case, something they are not going to do (and haven’t done in the going on 20 years that people have been asking for it).
I understood that you are very irritable.
but I never heard an answer to the question.
Why can't Sonos just turn off the delay by adding another point equal to 0 seconds?
Sonos can even set it to 0.75 seconds by default, but it seemed to me that 0 seconds should be present in the settings.
Bluesound also will have a delay?
Wait, maybe I don’t fully understand the reason for the delay?
It seemed to me Sonos for some reason did this on purpose and did not want to made a settings equal to 0 seconds.
To be clear, we're talking about the delay of analog audio that is sent to line input of Sonos Port and passed through output.
Good Lord, what is it that you do not understand?????? The analog line-in source is real time. In order to stream that source to multiple rooms in perfect sync, that real-time source must be buffered, so any transmission problems; dropped packets, interference, sync adjustments, etc. can be corrected and processed before the buffer runs out and a dropout occurs. This goes for every real-time source streamed to any multi-room synchronized streamer, including Bluesound.
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Maybe I'm wrong and there will be a similar delay on all devices, which means I will need to reconsider my installation scheme.
The fact is that in the pool I have a smart speaker with a voice assistant, but at the same time it must transmit sound to the ceiling speakers. Therefore, the second speaker combined into a group is located in a rack and is connected to the sonos via the linear input, which is connected to the parasound amplifiers. But when I listen to music through a smart speaker, the sound from the ceiling speakers is delayed and it is very noticeable. I can’t completely turn off the sound of the smart speaker in the pool because through it I listen to answers to voice commands and questions. (synchronization of voice responses with the second speaker in the group is not provided)
And the systems should also provide the ability to stream from a smartphone via airplay, which is why I install Sonos.
In a word, everything is complicated and confusing.
I'm not sure that anyone could even understand what I wrote in my poor English.
Thank you, I read everything carefully. But I don’t really understand your slightly irritated tone.
I would like to know why there is a delay. Is this done specifically at the software level or is it a hardware limitation related to analog-to-digital conversion.
The delay is to allow for buffering for multi-room streaming and sync. What is so hard about that (and where was it not explained, several times already, in those linked threads)?
As to software vs. hardware limitation, why does that matter? It’s a necessary function of a core capability of Sonos (and other) multi-room streamers. Knowing if it is software based or hardware based is just so you can argue that a software based buffer means Sonos should compromise that core functionality for your anecdotal case, something they are not going to do (and haven’t done in the going on 20 years that people have been asking for it).
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