Ability to Add Sonos Roam to Multiple Sonos WiFi Systems?


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Is it possible to add a Sonos Roam to multiple Sonos WiFi systems?

I recently purchased a Roam and took it with me on a road trip. My in-laws have a Sonos system and I wanted to add my Roam to their system so I could get all of the benefits of using Roam over WiFi instead of Bluetooth. 

However, the only way I could get the Roam to connect to their system was to reset it to factory and set up the Roam as a new speaker in their Sonos system. When I came home I had to repeat the process by resetting to factory and adding it back to my Sonos system.

The feature I’d love to see is the ability to add a Roam to a second Sonos system over WiFi without having to remove it from an existing Sonos system. Ideally, after initial setup, the switch between Sonos systems would be done automatically based upon the connected WiFi network.


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Exactly, if I was ever invited to @lifely’s home, (or parents home, for that matter) - I guess I won’t be, but …as long as they’re happy to provide the local WiFi network credentials, I could have my Roam setup on their local network in a jiffy, with no factory reset of any Sonos speaker and have all my music services, playlists and settings intact, ready to use in its Sonos Household - the original Sonos HH in fact that the Roam was added to when I first set it up many many months ago.

I can’t recall ever factory resetting the device and it’s certainly been used on a good many different networks since covid lockdown was lifted. I’m just not in the habit of adding my speakers to other Sonos Households, particularly if the HH’s belong to someone else.

If I wanted to use other peoples systems, like @lifely’s parents Sonos speakers for example, then I would just use the Sonos (remote controller) App to connect to their system - but my Roam would remain in its own HH when running on their local network. I just don’t see the point in factory resetting a Roam device to add it to someone else’s system, particularly if it’s the one and only device in a Sonos Household… that’s just too much bother if you ask me, but would happily consider it, if the original Sonos Household remained available elsewhere, like back at my own Home, for example. 

@Ken_Griffiths 

I think you misunderstand me, you and you're wife, as well as John are clearly invited over barbecue and beer next time you stop over France.

We can have a heated debated and agree to disagree over good food and conversation.

 

If you bring your sonos, I doubt you’ll be able to use them other then mine w/ the limited internet we have though.

Sonos Roam and Move can:

1 Play anywhere via Bluetooth 

2. Play as a single wifi speaker on multiple networks with no reset.

3. Play as part of a Sonos system in multiple locations if set up as a single system (household ID), with no reset required.

4. Become part of multiple different Sonos systems, becoming fully integrated into each system for the time its there, allowing grouping for example. This requires a 2 minute factory reset of the portable speaker ONLY. 

And you think the Roam and Move don't live up to their names?

Exactly, if I was ever invited to @lifely’s home, (or parents home, for that matter) - I guess I won’t be, but …as long as they’re happy to provide the local WiFi network credentials, I could have my Roam setup on their local network in a jiffy, with no factory reset of any Sonos speaker and have all my music services, playlists and settings intact, ready to use in its Sonos Household - the original Sonos HH in fact that the Roam was added to when I first set it up many many months ago.

I can’t recall ever factory resetting the device and it’s certainly been used on a good many different networks since covid lockdown was lifted. I’m just not in the habit of adding my speakers to other Sonos Households, particularly if the HH’s belong to someone else.

If I wanted to use other peoples systems, like @lifely’s parents Sonos speakers for example, then I would just use the Sonos (remote controller) App to connect to their system - but my Roam would remain in its own HH when running on their local network. I just don’t see the point in factory resetting a Roam device to add it to someone else’s system, particularly if it’s the one and only device in a Sonos Household… that’s just too much bother if you ask me, but would happily consider it, if the original Sonos Household remained available elsewhere, like back at my own Home, for example. 

Well,  don't hold your breath. 

Yes,

 

> 4. Become part of multiple different Sonos systems, becoming fully integrated into each system for the time its there, allowing grouping for example. This requires a 2 minute factory reset of the portable speaker ONLY. 

 

This is not enough, that the feature request I'm requesting as well as the first person who probably open this post and other who commented.

 

Yes the solution works, it’s not to be ignored and is a good ALTERNATIVE.

 

But would it be great if when I'm away from my own system.

Sonos detect a roam device on the network, does a guest / roam negotiation on the device and local system.

And just being able to use these temporary roam on the network as a speaker (Idk about advanced feature while roaming) w/ a click.

 

Just being able for this temporary speaker to appears in the normal system, and being group and receive the stream would be enough, w/ minimum action from user is what i wish existed.

 

Again, some people can dream about better software.

 

 

 

 

Sonos Roam and Move can:

1 Play anywhere via Bluetooth 

2. Play as a single wifi speaker on multiple networks with no reset.

3. Play as part of a Sonos system in multiple locations if set up as a single system (household ID), with no reset required.

4. Become part of multiple different Sonos systems, becoming fully integrated into each system for the time its there, allowing grouping for example. This requires a 2 minute factory reset of the portable speaker ONLY. 

And you think the Roam and Move don't live up to their names?

Yet you guys are still wasting your time arguing about me and not the feature I'm requesting, if it’s useful or not. 

 

If other people would like to use sonos product that way too, but yeah making assumption of someone else is better 👌🏼

 

Stay fresh people.

"I am an engineer" is another one that guarantees garbage will follow. (Not because the poster is an engineer, but because he thinks saying so is worthwhile.)

Yes tbere is a way to implement this trivial improvement - fundamentally restructure the Sonos system at huge expense and risk. Only a moron could think that was a good idea. 

Hopefully others will understand the arguments so my time won't have been wasted. 

If I had a nickel for every time a someone used the utterly stupid phrase “where there’s a will there's a way” to excuse their lack of knowledge, I’d be a very rich man.  Might as well tack on “think outside the box” and “you just aren’t looking at the big picture” while you are at it.  

@John B 

Dude’s I understand, I've read this WHOLE POST. Yes I understand you guys consider this not possible.

Though, what I'm talking about here is IF THERE A WILL, THERE A WAY.

 

What you guys are saying, is that sonos seems not to want to implement user to roam w/ a product name roam :D

 

I’m an engineer, if you want to implement a feature, a solution to a problem, there is always a way, the only question is DO WE WANT TO FIX IT.

 

Here clearly the answer is, we don’t care, even though the concept isn’t stupid, I mean doing local discovery, temporary linking totally not possible.

 

Sonos literally have full control over their whole ecosystem, saying something isn’t physically possible is wrong.

 

My point stand, having a Roam sonos that can’t roam between system isn’t great. Am sadden by it, though will continue to use the products and reset my products every month when I travel.

That doesn’t mean I can’t dream for more better software in life.

The problems with this thread start with the title.  If only it made sense.  If only the OP had used either:

  1. Ability to connect Sonos Roam to multiple WiFi networks

OR

  1. Ability to add Sonos Roam to multiple Sonos systems

Instead, these two totally different concepts were conflated. 

The answer to 1 is ‘you can already do this”

The brief answer to 2 is:

“The concept of the Sonos system, with its unique identifier, is fundamental to Sonos’ design.  A system at any one time will comprise a particular set of speakers, playlists, favourites, settings, music services, voice services, music library, whether it is S1 or S2, firmware version number, and much more besides.  Moving a speaker between two different systems (without a reset) would have to somehow work out how to resolve any conflicts between these elements.  And then resolve them again when the speaker is moved back.

The reset allows the speaker that is being moved to adopt all the features of the system to which is now attached”.

The posters on this thread who claim this feature would be easy to implement, or should clearly have been included from outset, are merely demonstrating their lack of understanding of the Sonos system.  Factory resetting the speaker and adding it to the existing system each time takes about a minute and ensures no conflicts or inconsistencies.  So I would say the answer to question 2 is “You can already do this simply and quickly, and in a way that ensures that there are no unpredictable changes to any of your Sonos systems”.

 

@lifely . PLEASE read my earlier post, quoted here

The problems with this thread start with the title.  If only it made sense.  If only the OP had used either:

  1. Ability to connect Sonos Roam to multiple WiFi networks

OR

  1. Ability to add Sonos Roam to multiple Sonos systems

Instead, these two totally different concepts were conflated. 

The answer to 1 is ‘you can already do this”

The brief answer to 2 is:

“The concept of the Sonos system, with its unique identifier, is fundamental to Sonos’ design.  A system at any one time will comprise a particular set of speakers, playlists, favourites, settings, music services, voice services, music library, whether it is S1 or S2, firmware version number, and much more besides.  Moving a speaker between two different systems (without a reset) would have to somehow work out how to resolve any conflicts between these elements.  And then resolve them again when the speaker is moved back.

The reset allows the speaker that is being moved to adopt all the features of the system to which is now attached”.

The posters on this thread who claim this feature would be easy to implement, or should clearly have been included from outset, are merely demonstrating their lack of understanding of the Sonos system.  Factory resetting the speaker and adding it to the existing system each time takes about a minute and ensures no conflicts or inconsistencies.  So I would say the answer to question 2 is “You can already do this simply and quickly, and in a way that ensures that there are no unpredictable changes to any of your Sonos systems”.

 

@lifely . PLEASE read my earlier post and TRY to understand why putting two systems together without a reset of one goes against the fundamental structure of the Sonos system. This is not a missing feature.

So it is lucky that resetting and adding a speaker really takes less than 2 minutes.

 

and TRY to understand why putting two systems together without a reset of one goes against the fundamental structure of the Sonos system. This is not a missing feature.

So it is lucky that resetting and adding a speaker really takes less than 2 minutes.

> There’s no actual ‘need’ to add it to their HH - you can just use the Roam on your own HH on > their WiFi signal. 

 

Thanks you for telling me what I should want, do, how I should live.

You might not need it, good for you. Still can you understand some people wanting this feature ?

 

> I’m ‘politely’ sorry to say this, but I still think you are complaining here about something that you may not quite fully understand.

 

I think it’s you that not quite understand people needs.

I wanna do what I wanna do NOT what you want me to do, that usually how the world works.

 

Yes dude, I want access to the whole system speaker, what a f*****g question, I don't care about just linking my stuff on the wifi, you don't get it.

 

I want to roam my roam between system, w/ all the feature that a sonos system include.

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On more cases scenario for you if you still have struggle to understand. 

 

I’m throwing a big party this weekend, invited my friend, together we have like 5 sonos move / roam.

Some of them use the sonos move as their first / main speaker at home.

 

We’re all bringing the sonos to my house for the weekend, and we want to add them to the house which already have 10 sonos but none outside, so the news one would be fun to move around all weekend. 5 move lets party.

 

But wait, we have to reset them if we want them to use the same system, to group them, to use  single Spotify account that already register. 

 

Ah f**k, reseting them take a while, gotta do for each. 

What you reset my move ? but it’s the only one I have, now when I go home I have to reset everything because I just wanted to group it at my friends house. I lost all my configs.

 

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@John B

 

I’ve indeed read this thread and been following since it was posted mostly :/

Thus my angry post of sonos still no providing a solution to my problem.

Using a Sonos Roam, to Roam between multiple Sonos systems.

 

@Ken_Griffiths

 

I’m glad to know that the solution; to switch between wifi network on the same sonos system w/ a single account; works for you guys.

That you took the time to take a device from own home and merge two different home on the same sonos account, giving it access to multiple wifi.

 

That is one solution which I do not accept. I’m moving between different systems; I might move different country; I'm going to my parents where it’s my parents account that control the sonos; then I go back home which use my account; then to my friend house with their account.

 

Maybe next year I'll go to a friend abroad which also has a account, it would be nice to enter the home,

sonos detects the roams and offers it for nearby devices that can groups to already setup local speaker.

 

it’s no fully setup into the system it’s just ROAMING like the name of your device, where you literally have a whole ad campaign built upon.

 

Anyway, I'll still stick around and watch the confusion, the products are still greats that why there is multiple system and multiple homes.

 

I still wish I could talk to Siri though :p

There’s no actual ‘need’ to add it to their HH - you can just use the Roam on your own HH on their WiFi signal. Of course you can use their HH too (in addition) for access to their speakers (that’s if you wish to do that). Just simply setup your controller to switch between the two HH’s - at least that way you still get to keep all your own music services, playlists and favourites etc; whilst visiting their Home.

I’m ‘politely’ sorry to say this, but I still think you are complaining here about something that you may not quite fully understand.

@John B 

 

I’ve indeed read this thread and been following since it was posted mostly :/

Thus my angry post of sonos still no providing a solution to my problem.

Using a Sonos Roam, to Roam between multiple Sonos systems.

 

@Ken_Griffiths 

 

I’m glad to know that the solution; to switch between wifi network on the same sonos system w/ a single account; works for you guys.

That you took the time to take a device from own home and merge two different home on the same sonos account, giving it access to multiple wifi.

 

That is one solution which I do not accept. I’m moving between different systems; I might move different country; I'm going to my parents where it’s my parents account that control the sonos; then I go back home which use my account; then to my friend house with their account.

 

Maybe next year I'll go to a friend abroad which also has a account, it would be nice to enter the home,

sonos detects the roams and offers it for nearby devices that can groups to already setup local speaker.

 

it’s no fully setup into the system it’s just ROAMING like the name of your device, where you literally have a whole ad campaign built upon.

 

Anyway, I'll still stick around and watch the confusion, the products are still greats that why there is multiple system and multiple homes.

 

I still wish I could talk to Siri though :p

 

The answers are all here on the forum, if you can just take the time to read them, instead of complaining about something you are misunderstanding about the Sonos ecosystem and how it actually works.

Absolutely right, Ken. The confusion in the thread title between networks and systems is at the root of this,  and I think this thread sets new standards in muddled thinking and incomprehension.

@lifely 's post is just the latest for which that is true.

@SarahN . Like most people on this thread you are confusing using the Move on a different WiFi network with using it as part of a different Sonos system.

You can use it as a WiFi speaker on the other network. You would be using your own Sonos system and account. 

You cannot add a WiFi network to your account.  You can add it to your Move.

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So @Ken_Griffiths , if I take my Move away on holiday next month, to a cottage, can I add that Wifi to my account and use the Move on Wifi there? I was assuming I would only be able to use it via bluetooth?

Tomorrow a sonos event is supposed to happens.

It leaked today but it was kinda known that it’s supposed to be new Roam colours waouh.

Maybe, idk it would be nice to not give money top the marketing department but the software and hardware department ?

I’m pretty convinced 100% that tomorrow the Roam will still not be able to roam between my installation.

What a shitty name for a product, I'm moving from three different system every month, I have to spend 10 minute reseting each roam for the new system overtime I get in.

The Wife and I each move our Roams, between ‘Home’, ‘Holiday Home’ WiFi and we take them with us whilst travelling around the UK - never had to reset them and they auto-switch between the various WiFi networks at the different locations. In fact are you aware that the Roam supports up-to 16 different WiFi connections/locations?

It’s perhaps how you are going about these things that is making it difficult for yourself - you simply need to carry the original Sonos ‘Household’ with you on a mobile device and then you only ever need to set things up once-only on the speaker at each different location (without doing a factory reset) and the Roam will happily auto-switch itself and immediately work when you next arrive at each destination.

The answers are all here on the forum, if you can just take the time to read them, instead of complaining about something you are misunderstanding about the Sonos ecosystem and how it actually works.

@lifely . May I suggest you read the thread for reasons why this is as it is, and is best this way?

Tomorrow a sonos event is supposed to happens.

It leaked today but it was kinda known that it’s supposed to be new Roam colours waouh.

 

Maybe, idk it would be nice to not give money top the marketing department but the software and hardware department ?

 

I’m pretty convinced 100% that tomorrow the Roam will still not be able to roam between my installation.

What a s****y name for a product, I'm moving from three different system every month, I have to spend 10 minute reseting each roam for the new system overtime I get in.

 

Stupid, please implement smart solution, stop just looking for money make something cool first.

Money after.

 

Same thing nobody wants Hey sonos, we probably all want you to finally put it Sir though.

 

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How is this not the number one feature? It’s called ‘roam’. The PM on this one messed up big time. 

I feel like I was frauded and bought 2 roams to travel with and is just trash

Welcome to the forum. Please read the thread and engage brain.

The Roam can join and remember multiple WiFi networks. It only takes a one minute reset to enable it to move between Sonos systems and that is the cleanest way to do it.

The feature already exists.

How is this not the number one feature? It’s called ‘roam’. The PM on this one messed up big time. 

I feel like I was frauded and bought 2 roams to travel with and is just trash

@John B,

Yes in my own use-case the System Setup/Household ID remains the same - I rarely (if ever) factory reset a Sonos product. I only switch between WiFi networks and I also switch the ‘Sonos Skill’ to connect Alexa between Home ‘A’ Sonos Household - and the Home ‘B’ Sonos Household - that just means I am able to use the same Alexa voice/music services, calendar, reminders and other related things at each location, or whilst travelling.

There should be no need to reset a Sonos device normally, once it’s setup in a Sonos Household, that’s my own philosophy, at least … and just to add (for completion here) its even easier to transfer non-portable Sonos speakers to another home network as the switching of WiFi networks can often be done simply over a SonosNet wired link in most cases.

I do understand the origins of this thread however, where some users want to be able to switch their devices between ‘systems’ or ‘households’ (rather than the WiFi network) without factory resetting them, but a factory reset for that type of ‘occasional’ switching scenario is still not the most difficult of tasks anyway, particularly if the new Sonos System/Household ‘exists’ already… I can happily do that within a minute or two, but I’m happy to add a ‘+1 to that suggestion, if Sonos wish to make it even easier to switch devices between existing Households/Systems.

Thanks Ken, that all makes sense.

My problem with step 3 in the process set out by @VonAlphaBisZulu is that it sticks Sonos speakers from two different Sonos systems together without factory resetting one set of speakers.  I think that will only work reliably if the two systems in fact already have the same HHID, which will only be true if one system was originally ‘seeded’ using a speaker from the other system.

So Home B has no permanent devices? You just use the 2 x Roam and 2 X Move there? 

In my case Yes, it’s a 2 bedroom holiday bungalow. I do sometimes leave the Sonos devices there - there’s also no reason why we couldn’t add other (non-portable) Sonos devices to that Home setup and leave them there permanently.

In fact there are/were some plans to do that, but we’re currently considering selling the Home to other family members, who will likely use it much more than we tend to do these days.

I mostly visit it for a few days just to keep the gardens tidy and general maintenance, so the Move/Roam speakers are rather best suited for that purpose… we tend to travel there in the camper van and sometimes move onto other places/campsites in the south west region

The Sonos App automatically switches between each S2 Sonos system as we connect to each Home/Mobile WiFi systems. It just shows the Sonos devices that are connected to the same signal.

So Home B has no permanent devices? You just use the 2 x Roam and 2 X Move there? 

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