Switching from Squeezebox to Sonos

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Do you have LMS installed to run your current squeezebox system?  If so, then you could run new Sonos devices on that, as well as retain the native Sonos features.

If you're not too fussed about higher end audio quality, I'd go for Google nest hubs as your alarm clocks - also compatible with LMS.

The Beam and Roams are good.  Be aware that many users have battery issues with the Roam - I keep mine permanently on mains without issues. 

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Do you have LMS installed to run your current squeezebox system?  If so, then you could run new Sonos devices on that, as well as retain the native Sonos features.

If you're not too fussed about higher end audio quality, I'd go for Google nest hubs as your alarm clocks - also compatible with LMS.

The Beam and Roams are good.  Be aware that many users have battery issues with the Roam - I keep mine permanently on mains without issues. 

Yes LMS is running on the server and I also use the ‘squeezer’ android app from my phone.  My phone is generally used to set the alarms for the bedrooms.

Roams would be powered in the main from a 13amp usb plug, probably rated at around 10w ish (I need to check the power requirements for the Roams), but whatever they need would come via a 13amp socket. 

I’ll take another look at the Google offering.  I recall doing this a year or so back when I needed to replace a defunct duet with a second hand replacement and a number of the power supply units have failed over the years.  These I’ve replaced with equally rated PSU’s.  The trouble with these is that the phono style power connector is a tiny fraction smaller than those on the OEM product and this manifests itself in lost power when the receiver is moved and I have to ‘twiddle’ them a bit to restore power.  But I can’t recall why I rejected the Google products, so another look is warranted.

 

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[edit]… Can you only control Google stuff by talking to it?  I take it that these products run on Android?  Firstly, there’s no way I’m having products that listen to you, secondly I’m not that much in favour of having household products where the OS becomes unsupported after such a short time span.  Have I misunderstood anything here?

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Do you have LMS installed to run your current squeezebox system?  If so, then you could run new Sonos devices on that, as well as retain the native Sonos features.

If you're not too fussed about higher end audio quality, I'd go for Google nest hubs as your alarm clocks - also compatible with LMS.

The Beam and Roams are good.  Be aware that many users have battery issues with the Roam - I keep mine permanently on mains without issues. 

Yes LMS is running on the server and I also use the ‘squeezer’ android app from my phone.  My phone is generally used to set the alarms for the bedrooms.

Roams would be powered in the main from a 13amp usb plug, probably rated at around 10w ish (I need to check the power requirements for the Roams), but whatever they need would come via a 13amp socket. 

I’ll take another look at the Google offering.  I recall doing this a year or so back when I needed to replace a defunct duet with a second hand replacement and a number of the power supply units have failed over the years.  These I’ve replaced with equally rated PSU’s.  The trouble with these is that the phono style power connector is a tiny fraction smaller than those on the OEM product and this manifests itself in lost power when the receiver is moved and I have to ‘twiddle’ them a bit to restore power.  But I can’t recall why I rejected the Google products, so another look is warranted.

 

Cheers

[edit]… Can you only control Google stuff by talking to it?  I take it that these products run on Android?  Firstly, there’s no way I’m having products that listen to you, secondly I’m not that much in favour of having household products where the OS becomes unsupported after such a short time span.  Have I misunderstood anything here?

Well, that's the Google nest hubs in the bin, then! 

Roams would be good for bedrooms.  

Sonos app is either android or IOS.  There's a Windows program which is so-so (but you have to use the phone apps to setup Sonos devices).

I guess you have LMS on a Windows machine.  Which version is it?   If you keep LMS then you could access the Roams as airplay receivers using Squeezer and keep your existing alarm settings.

Essentially, all you should need to do to access the Roams as airplay receivers is to install one plugin on LMS.   THE Roams will appear as squeezebox players controllable via Squeezer.  They retain their Sonos features also which are controllable using the Sonos S2 app. 

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A 'win' for the company whose own app can't even indicate volume level other than a clumsy slider with no notation. 

 

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Annoying, can’t edit my post above for the second time.  So this page has thrown away all that I’d entered!  That aside…

So the Nest Hub is also touchscreen, handy! And you can turn off the mic. :-)

And whilst on a rapidly aging OS it’s no worse than my Lenovo Tab3’s that run a Kodi slideshow (again from pictures on the same server as my music library).  I think the Tab3’s are Android 8!

So I could run the ‘Squeezer’ Android app on the Nest Hub for my music and Kodi for a slideshow on the same device?.  Nice if so. [edit] Ah no the Squeezer app is not a player for the device it’s installed on, only a remote for other Players.  So is there something that makes the Nest Hub ‘look’ like a Squeezebox Player?

Can I also control the Sonos Beam from the Android ‘Squeezer’ app as if the Beam were a ‘Player’ as far as LMS is concerned??

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See above for details about squeezer and Roams. 

The nest hub uses chromecast so using it as a Squeezebox player will only show the display screen and sound.  You'd still have to control it via squeezer.  The touch screen features only work when it's used as a Google device.

 

Here's a screenshot of a Nest Hub playing a track from Tidal (via LMS) :  I don't have a local music library setup at the moment. 

 

 

And a screenshot of the same playing on a Roam:

 

 

 

And same playing via Sonos S2 app

 

 

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So the Nest Hub is just displaying now playing and outputting the audio, but control of it still has to come via the Squeezer App on my phone?  I know nothing of Chromecast so my guess is that this service makes the Nest Hub look like a Player to the Squeezer app?

Soooo, how would I cancel an Alarm, if the Nest Hub is just a dumb ‘Player’?

 

Signing off now for a while, so Happy New Year to everyone!

A 'win' for the company whose own app can't even indicate volume level other than a clumsy slider with no notation. 

Are you still stuck in the past? 

Or simply waiting for Android to catch up with iOS?

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So the Nest Hub is just displaying now playing and outputting the audio, but control of it still has to come via the Squeezer App on my phone?  I know nothing of Chromecast so my guess is that this service makes the Nest Hub look like a Player to the Squeezer app?

That's it.    Thinking it over, maybe the Roams are a better choice.  The sound is good given their small size and they're less intrusive than the Nest.  With Roams you'd have the best of 2 worlds (sonos plus LMS).   These smart speakers are good but can easily do their own thing which causes frustration.  I use a cheap Google mini speaker as an alarm and not much else.

I should check out the squeezer app - I used it a few times years ago.

 

Roam as seen via Squeezer:

 

 

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All these using Android:

 

 

I'm not inclined to invest even more cash for another overpriced proprietary product. 

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Soooo, how would I cancel an Alarm, if the Nest Hub is just a dumb ‘Player’?

 

Guess you'd have to use Squeezer... I've never messed with alarms in LMS. Sorry. 

I'm not inclined to invest even more cash for another overpriced proprietary product. 

Then you can just wait until the Sonos app on Android offers the same features. 

If I may barge in with a question in what looks to be a interesting discussion:

I am presently very well served by Echo Show devices wired to the line in jacks on my Sonos kit, that allow me to bypass the Sonos controller app, and allow album art to be seen for all that is playing, whether on a single Echo or on all that are grouped together. The problem I am anticipating is when any Echo need to be replaced, because none of the current line up have a line out - the Google devices never had these.

Is there a way to get these devices to play as mine do now, via Sonos, but without a wired connection between line level jacks? 

Note that the Sonos Alexa integration cannot be used, it is not available in India. And even if it was, it would not show album art, so I would not use it anyway.

PS: Using a third party application hosted on a Raspberry, I am also able to listen to my ripped music files in all formats, with album art, via the Echo Shows, and the solution would have to address this as well. Ideally...

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Or use a system which is light years ahead of Sonos already... 

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If I may barge in with a question in what looks to be a interesting discussion:

I am presently very well served by Echo Show devices wired to the line in jacks on my Sonos kit, that allow me to bypass the Sonos controller app, and allow album art to be seen for all that is playing, whether on a single Echo or on all that are grouped together. The problem I am anticipating is when any Echo need to be replaced, because none of the current line up have a line out - the Google devices never had these.

Is there a way to get these devices to play as mine do now, via Sonos, but without a wired connection between line level jacks? 

Note that the Sonos Alexa integration cannot be used, it is not available in India. And even if it was, it would not show album art, so I would not use it anyway.

PS: Using a third party application hosted on a Raspberry, I am also able to listen to my ripped music files in all formats, with album art, via the Echo Shows, and the solution would have to address this as well. Ideally...

Do you mean you want to play Sonos content on the Shows? 

If so, then I'm afraid there's no way. 

Do you mean you want to play Sonos content on the Shows? 

 

No; presently the Show content plays on Sonos just fine via line level wired connections. How do I get this to work when I need to get the currently featured Shows ( which I will do only if my present Show hardware fails) that do not have audio out jacks, to play on Sonos, is an anticipated problem. 

And why Google from the beginning, and the latest generation of Show hardware, denies users a way to get better sound quality from them via wired downstream third party speakers, is an irritating mystery… as irritating as the absence of line in jacks on Sonos Play 1 units.

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We've had 2 portable SB radios and a Touch for years - proved very reliable.  All the other units we use are third-party devices. 

You can even use Echos as voice-controlled players (not my taste I admit). 

The breakthrough for Logitech Media Server came with the Raspberry Pi's and especially the Picoreplayer software.  The range of add-on Plugins is impressive.

Control options are also well-served compared to Sonos.

I will admit that the sound quality of our Sonos devices is pretty good, and we haven't had any major connection issues which seem to plague many contributors to this forum! 

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Do you mean you want to play Sonos content on the Shows? 

 

No; presently the Show content plays on Sonos just fine via line level wired connections. How do I get this to work when I need to get the currently featured Shows ( which I will do only if my present Show hardware fails) that do not have audio out jacks, to play on Sonos, is an anticipated problem. 

I can only think of one way to maybe achieve this.   You'd need to attach a Bluetooth receiver to the Sonos device - then switch Echo to use the bluetooth 'speaker' (receiver).   Would that work.?

I can only think of one way to maybe achieve this.   You'd need to attach a Bluetooth receiver to the Sonos device - then switch Echo to use the bluetooth 'speaker' (receiver).   Would that work.?

Yes, I suppose that should work if and when the time comes. It may not be as stable as the wired to line in connection, but seeing that the two devices will be with a few feet of each other, that should not be a problem.

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This topic takes me back a decade! I used to own a Squeezebox Duet that fed into my Marantz receiver and a Radio in the kitchen. The Radio was very good, but the Duet was a disaster. Always losing connecting between the base and the remote. Final straw was the inability of the system to get both devices (Duet in the living and Radio in the kitchen) to sync properly.

Big advantage of the system (when it worked) was that I could play my mp3-collection without being limited by to 65k max. When Logitech abandoned Squeezebox and I got a new internet capable Marantz I sold my Squeezebox devices, only to succeed in syncing music in the living and and the kitchen when I replaced the Marantz with Sonos.

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I appreciate that synching is important to many.  

Yes, synching wasn't brilliant but now there's grouping plugin which works well. 

In my case, sync is pointless given the time it takes to move between rooms.  Just as easy to stream same content on different players with a minimal gap between them. 

The biggest plus for me in the latest incarnations of LMS hosted on a raspberry pi is the on board Bluetooth transmission to headphones. 

In my case, sync is pointless given the time it takes to move between rooms

I too haven't seen the value of sync in different rooms. Where I do see and get tremendous value from it though is in my open plan central space in an apartment, that serves for living/dining/kitchen and adjacent patio, where one set of speakers won’t suffice, when at times the entire space is to be filled with the same music which can only be done via zones in perfect sync. But Echo does this just as well as Sonos does, I have found, with Show units also showing the same album art in each served zone in this space. 

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In my case, sync is pointless given the time it takes to move between rooms

I too haven't seen the value of sync in different rooms. Where I do see and get tremendous value from it though is in my open plan central space in an apartment, that serves for living/dining/kitchen and adjacent patio, where one set of speakers won’t suffice, when at times the entire space is to be filled with the same music which can only be done via zones in perfect sync. But Echo does this just as well as Sonos does, I have found, with Show units also showing the same album art in each served zone in this space. 

That's useful info.  The one thing which really irritates me about the Show is that volume can only change in whole units.  5 is too low and 6 too lound!  

The one thing which really irritates me about the Show is that volume can only change in whole units.  5 is too low and 6 too lound!  

That is true, but if the on unit buttons are used to change the volume, the changes are much more gradual than via voice command to select a volume level or to change the existing one.

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