Add more equalization options!
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Would like to tailor sound to room and content. Current bass and treble adjustments aren't sufficient.
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So...? 🆒 all we got in 4 years was a badly implemented max volume feature? :?
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This has request has been in the loop for over 4 years.
I just paid through the nose for a really expensive piece of tech that has no equaliser?
Is there some 'head in the clouds' tech head that is blocking this feature at SONOS?
The bleeding obvious and 4 years and still haven't responded to customer needs?
I just paid through the nose for a really expensive piece of tech that has no equaliser?
Is there some 'head in the clouds' tech head that is blocking this feature at SONOS?
The bleeding obvious and 4 years and still haven't responded to customer needs?
Audiophiles very often claim to want only the pure untouched virginal signal - until their speakers+room botches it up in ways they often don't realise, minus controls as Sonos offers that actually allow to set straight this botching up to a large extent - and will have the Sonos tone controls as one more reason to look down their noses at Sonos kit. On the other hand, another set want Sonos do more with the signal than what it does via EQ+Trueplay.
I reckon that both sets are outliers as far as the Sonos target market is concerned.
I reckon that both sets are outliers as far as the Sonos target market is concerned.
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Also have you trued Trueplay tuning?
Personally I like just treble and bass, a full equaliser just means I am paranoid that I am missing the one variance that delivers the perfect sound... to my ears 😃
Personally I like just treble and bass, a full equaliser just means I am paranoid that I am missing the one variance that delivers the perfect sound... to my ears 😃
Out of curiosity, what EQ options do the multiroom competitors offer?
Bump - again. Christmas is coming up - again. This is a deal-breaker for me. Is tone adjustment done in hw so this isn't possible to add, if it is then please say so and I can go find myself another sound system.
Bump... Please add a more advanced equalizer along with genre presets. Christmas is coming up and it would be the best gift ever!
For now have you tried setting the Sub output based on what works best for music? Bass content on movie tracks is usually far from subtle, so this approach may do better for both modes than the vice versa.
I have to agree with others on this. My playbar and sub in particular could do with some level of custom EQ control to bring up the vocals and allow for more subtle bass. I love the bass when i'm watching movies, but it does tend to overwhelm a little when listening to music.
I'm open to a clever solution, I will admit I don't know everything about how the Sonos speakers were designed and the decisons and trade-offs the team have made in the software.
It is however glaringly obvious to me that something needs to be done. If the 5-7 band EQ is a cheap hack in the interim, i'm in. At least give me the illusion you are listening to our feedback.
Don't forget you are selling us an audio experience as well as a software one :-)
Thanks,
Ed
I'm open to a clever solution, I will admit I don't know everything about how the Sonos speakers were designed and the decisons and trade-offs the team have made in the software.
It is however glaringly obvious to me that something needs to be done. If the 5-7 band EQ is a cheap hack in the interim, i'm in. At least give me the illusion you are listening to our feedback.
Don't forget you are selling us an audio experience as well as a software one :-)
Thanks,
Ed
I believe a Five Band EQ is the minimum Sonos should create, and preferably, a Seven Band would make a Huge difference for me. and allow me to tailor the different zones that are using different speaker brands/sizes etc.
I'm trying hard to understand my logic.
I buy something that does not have a feature I consider to be essential. I do not like and am unhappy with the product I have bought. I then complain to the manufacturer that it needs to include the essential feature immediately.
Nope. I still don't see what is wrong with that.
I am about to write in the strongest terms to my fridge manufacturer because it does not have a separate freezer section.
I buy something that does not have a feature I consider to be essential. I do not like and am unhappy with the product I have bought. I then complain to the manufacturer that it needs to include the essential feature immediately.
Nope. I still don't see what is wrong with that.
I am about to write in the strongest terms to my fridge manufacturer because it does not have a separate freezer section.
Please simply add the equalizer - a real one - not just this toy tool and sound will be really flexible and individual. You would solve so many complains with one extra tool - not really extra as its everywhere basic (not with sonos). thank you very much
Room equalization is all very well, but I suspect that people are different, too (especially as we get older). So I may prefer a boost of certain frequencies, which would not be covered by room equalization.
I remember those multi-band graphic equalizers from the '70s - 90s. Those dreadful department-store "rack" systems all had them.
Most people had no idea how to use them; you'd often see them set up to look like waves. I suspect that the software versions in phones are abused in much the same way today, as they have no interaction with or knowledge of the room's nodes.
I've said in a recent post that Sonos has all the necessary hardware to provide proper room correction, which can be much more sophisticated than simple EQ, as it can measure and compensate for the room's issues.
https://en.community.sonos.com/wireless-speakers-228992/dsp-room-correction-43916
ELAC compensates for the phone/tablet microphone's non-linearity by doing relative measurements. Appears to work very well. I would much sooner see room correction in Sonos speakers (the Connect and Amp, unfortunately, don't have the necessary DSP) than more manual EQ options.
Most people had no idea how to use them; you'd often see them set up to look like waves. I suspect that the software versions in phones are abused in much the same way today, as they have no interaction with or knowledge of the room's nodes.
I've said in a recent post that Sonos has all the necessary hardware to provide proper room correction, which can be much more sophisticated than simple EQ, as it can measure and compensate for the room's issues.
https://en.community.sonos.com/wireless-speakers-228992/dsp-room-correction-43916
ELAC compensates for the phone/tablet microphone's non-linearity by doing relative measurements. Appears to work very well. I would much sooner see room correction in Sonos speakers (the Connect and Amp, unfortunately, don't have the necessary DSP) than more manual EQ options.
I would like to see additional equalization capabilities.
But whet I would love is the ability to balance the surround speakers in the 5.1 setup. During initial setup you can specify distances, but the ranges are broad (if I recall correctly, something like "under 2 feet", "2-9 feet", and "over 10 feet".
Because of my room setup, my left surround is significantly closer to my primary seating position than my right surround. I would really love to be able to bump up the right as I can with an AVR.
But whet I would love is the ability to balance the surround speakers in the 5.1 setup. During initial setup you can specify distances, but the ranges are broad (if I recall correctly, something like "under 2 feet", "2-9 feet", and "over 10 feet".
Because of my room setup, my left surround is significantly closer to my primary seating position than my right surround. I would really love to be able to bump up the right as I can with an AVR.
I remember those multi-band graphic equalizers from the '70s - 90s. Those dreadful department-store "rack" systems all had them.
Most people had no idea how to use them; you'd often see them set up to look like waves. I suspect that the software versions in phones are abused in much the same way today, as they have no interaction with or knowledge of the room's nodes.
I've said in a recent post that Sonos has all the necessary hardware to provide proper room correction, which can be much more sophisticated than simple EQ, as it can measure and compensate for the room's issues.
https://en.community.sonos.com/wireless-speakers-228992/dsp-room-correction-43916
ELAC compensates for the phone/tablet microphone's non-linearity by doing relative measurements. Appears to work very well. I would much sooner see room correction in Sonos speakers (the Connect and Amp, unfortunately, don't have the necessary DSP) than more manual EQ options.
Most people had no idea how to use them; you'd often see them set up to look like waves. I suspect that the software versions in phones are abused in much the same way today, as they have no interaction with or knowledge of the room's nodes.
I've said in a recent post that Sonos has all the necessary hardware to provide proper room correction, which can be much more sophisticated than simple EQ, as it can measure and compensate for the room's issues.
https://en.community.sonos.com/wireless-speakers-228992/dsp-room-correction-43916
ELAC compensates for the phone/tablet microphone's non-linearity by doing relative measurements. Appears to work very well. I would much sooner see room correction in Sonos speakers (the Connect and Amp, unfortunately, don't have the necessary DSP) than more manual EQ options.
I would be happy, initially, with a very basic equalizer that just expanded the current implementation's treble/base--even just adding a midrange control would help immensely.
Later, more functionality could be added, including easier access to the eq when a song is playing, and other suggestions on this thread.
Later, more functionality could be added, including easier access to the eq when a song is playing, and other suggestions on this thread.
I take issue with the statement "It's important to keep the system updating and to improve it as we continue moving forward." Important to whom? There are plenty of people happy with the multi-room music system they originally bought before there was any such thing as app based controllers or streaming service integration. Many would have liked to just stay at an earlier version of firmware but that is not possible because any replacement of failed equipment or expansion of the system forces an upgrade.
I also don't agree with the current definition of moving forward. When I bought my system the updates were described as adding new features to what we already had, not trading away existing functionality to satisfy niche requests. I was expecting more options to manage my local library, the ability to set up persistent groups, the ability to permanently associate a controller to start up on a specific zone or hide certain zones from certain controllers to prevent accidently blasting music in a sensitive area. Any of these would fit the definition of moving forward.
Instead what we get are trade-offs that do not address any of these long standing requests. We get diminished support for the important aspects of the system, like a hard button controller, a waterproof controller, a dedicated "instant on" controller, a controller that talks directly to the nearest player via Sonosnet instead of relying on a whole separate wireless network, a mute button that remembers the original level and resumes it on unmute, a mute button that stays muted when the group volume is changed, a mute button that doesn't kill the whole party when you want to mute one room to answer the phone, and so on.
And what are we giving these things up for? More integration with paid streaming services (who cares?) Constant modifications to accommodate problems with iTunes, problems with iOS, Apple feature changes, and on and on (try to remember you are an independent company and not a division of Apple). We get destabilizing options to bypass core design features like Sonosnet and a controller app so complicated that nobody over 60 can make heads or tails of it assuming they have the physical dexterity to master the intricate moves needed to navigate the miles deep labyrinth of menus. (No Thanks!)
Sonos is definitely moving but there is little to indicate that the direction it is headed is forward.
I also don't agree with the current definition of moving forward. When I bought my system the updates were described as adding new features to what we already had, not trading away existing functionality to satisfy niche requests. I was expecting more options to manage my local library, the ability to set up persistent groups, the ability to permanently associate a controller to start up on a specific zone or hide certain zones from certain controllers to prevent accidently blasting music in a sensitive area. Any of these would fit the definition of moving forward.
Instead what we get are trade-offs that do not address any of these long standing requests. We get diminished support for the important aspects of the system, like a hard button controller, a waterproof controller, a dedicated "instant on" controller, a controller that talks directly to the nearest player via Sonosnet instead of relying on a whole separate wireless network, a mute button that remembers the original level and resumes it on unmute, a mute button that stays muted when the group volume is changed, a mute button that doesn't kill the whole party when you want to mute one room to answer the phone, and so on.
And what are we giving these things up for? More integration with paid streaming services (who cares?) Constant modifications to accommodate problems with iTunes, problems with iOS, Apple feature changes, and on and on (try to remember you are an independent company and not a division of Apple). We get destabilizing options to bypass core design features like Sonosnet and a controller app so complicated that nobody over 60 can make heads or tails of it assuming they have the physical dexterity to master the intricate moves needed to navigate the miles deep labyrinth of menus. (No Thanks!)
Sonos is definitely moving but there is little to indicate that the direction it is headed is forward.
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Sorry but the Bass and Treble adjustments available in the Android, iOS, Mac or Windows PC software controllers cannot be considered as proper equalization settings. As stated many times in this thread please provide proper equalisation options. Start listening to your customers or risk losing them.
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Hi Lennart,
You can still set or adjust the equalization settings using any of our free Android, iOS, Mac or Windows PC software controllers. Unfortunately the CR200/CONTROL has reached the point where it simply can't keep up with current and future changes to the system. Some of the settings which usually are "set and forget" had to be limited from the CONTROL so that it could continue to function as a day-to-day controller.
We know this can be frustrating if you're one to use those settings regularly, but we had to make some tough decisions to be sure the CONTROL still had a place in your home.
It's important to keep the system updating and to improve it as we continue moving forward. Updates often include new features and solutions to issues that might have come up. For example, Sonos version 5.4 included a fix for iTunes playlists being unreadable after the 12.2 iTunes update, along with enhancements to Google Play Music and TuneIn radio. Currently we're in beta test for Spotify new features as well.
We understand different people will have more or less interest in changes and features depending on their use, but keeping systems up to date is always a best practice.
We're interested in what you'd like to see for the future, a big reason we have these Idea threads. We don't publish a road map for development, but the team responsible reads your feedback and considers that when they're looking to design the future. While we don't always hit the mark, we constantly push to make improvements where we didn't and try to do better than before, every time.
This post got a bit carried away and off topic from the main thread, my apologies everyone. Thanks for reading it anyway.
You can still set or adjust the equalization settings using any of our free Android, iOS, Mac or Windows PC software controllers. Unfortunately the CR200/CONTROL has reached the point where it simply can't keep up with current and future changes to the system. Some of the settings which usually are "set and forget" had to be limited from the CONTROL so that it could continue to function as a day-to-day controller.
We know this can be frustrating if you're one to use those settings regularly, but we had to make some tough decisions to be sure the CONTROL still had a place in your home.
It's important to keep the system updating and to improve it as we continue moving forward. Updates often include new features and solutions to issues that might have come up. For example, Sonos version 5.4 included a fix for iTunes playlists being unreadable after the 12.2 iTunes update, along with enhancements to Google Play Music and TuneIn radio. Currently we're in beta test for Spotify new features as well.
We understand different people will have more or less interest in changes and features depending on their use, but keeping systems up to date is always a best practice.
We're interested in what you'd like to see for the future, a big reason we have these Idea threads. We don't publish a road map for development, but the team responsible reads your feedback and considers that when they're looking to design the future. While we don't always hit the mark, we constantly push to make improvements where we didn't and try to do better than before, every time.
This post got a bit carried away and off topic from the main thread, my apologies everyone. Thanks for reading it anyway.
Agree. I am done with Sonos.
With the new 5.4 update we, how use the CR200/CONTROLLER, get the finger from Sonos. An enhanced equalizer is a must for a HiFi-system and Sonos is taking away the only possible setting of EQ that exist today. With the usual exitement from Sonos with every update they cripple the dedicated controllers, first the CR100 and now the CR200. If Sonos took cusomer care seriously, there should be a posibillity to keep the functions on the components as they were bought. I´m also thinking of the mute-button that was altered and got confusing behaviour. Give us at least an option to revert to the firmware that was usable according to the equipment we use. If anyone then decides to upgrade because of new versions give other functons that have higher user-value than those that disappers, then that is up to every single individual.
I own a Play5, and wanted to buy two play3 and a pair of Play1 for my new home.But I'm still asking to myself: "why should I pay so much for THAT sound"? Everybody says that WiFi is better than Bluetooth. I do not suscribe to this point of view anymore. Just because of this poor equalizer.
Please add Equalisers or at least give some tentative dates. When I listen music with Line In using some app which support decent equalisers like PowerAmp I see remarkable difference. This new feature will take SONOS to different level. I own 2 play1, 1 play5 and Sub. I am proud owner of these devices. I definitely want SONOS to consider this and come up with a plan. cheers
Hi, sorry for my poor english language! when will Sonos add a decent equalizer on its app for play5? If so many people ask for it, there may be a reason.
Please add this simple functionality. Between this and the limited control over our playlists have me begging for your successor, Sonos.
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