Hi all - I just purchased a Move and pleased with the sound, but what I’m not too pleased about is the fact that it appears that I cannot control the volume of the Move when I play anything using the Sonos app. If I connect the phone to the Move with bluetooth I can indeed control the volume.
Is it just me, or does anyone else have the issue that they can’t control the volume when using the IOS Sonos app?
Appreciate any inputs as it’s very frustrating.
How crazy that you can’t adjust the volume using the side button hardware on the iphone whilst using the app. That’s a pretty significant inconvenience and is now influencing my purchasing decision, which is a little sad. I like the speaker but don’t really want to be having to keep opening the app if I just want to change the volume. Thanks to everyone that have taken the time to respond - much appreciated.
To adjust the volume on the Move when using the Sonos app, use the volume control slider from within the Sonos app.
With the 15.6 update released in July of this year, Sonos removed the ability to control the volume using the iOS device hardware buttons when streaming from the Sonos app. This is the reason that was given by Sonos:
“The way these features were architected do not meet Apple’s experience guidelines for developers and no longer offer a reliable control experience.”
Agreed, it’s an unfortunate stance by Apple, and likely impacting several third party companies, like Sonos. If you wanted to wear a tin foil hat, you could say it was to help Apple sell their own hardware, rather than purchasing elsewhere. There are similar ‘oddities’ with Google. Not as open to everyone as they’d like you to think. Maybe for some valid security reasons, which might be hard for us to ‘see’ easily, though.
That’s a little sad, but not entirely surprised. Thanks again for taking the time to respond - much appreciated.
Massive UX fail. This should be referenced in the iOS app… Literally the only app on my phone where the volume buttons don’t work. I had to figure out by accident that I can only control volume on the song’s track in the Sonos app. Can you add a feature that when I hit the volume button, that track screen comes up? There has to be a UX improvement here.
Probably the only app on your device that is a remote control, rather than an actual music player, too.
To my knowledge, Sonos argued this with Apple, who was not only intransigent, but I suspect they threatened to remove the app from the Apple ‘store’ unless Sonos removed the ‘hack’ that allowed it to work before. But I’m guessing on that part, based on my previous experience with the Apple Store folks…but I’d be putting money on that, I’m that confident.
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as far as I can tell, you can use the iPhone hardware volume buttons if you start from a non-sonos music player (I use YouTube Music) and send music to a sonos speaker via airplay, and then move to the sonos app (both the old version and the brand new one) the hardware buttons do work. Plus you can use the thumbs up/down controls from the source app.
I must say, when companies are so protectionist it does tend to turn me off them. Seems like Apple want to create a monopoly, or as close to it as they can get legally. Does anyone know if it’s the same situation with android phones, or is this exclusively an Apple generated issue?
Adding a vote here that Sonos removing hardware controls should still be a goal / concern instead of just being marked “unfixable”. To change volume each time, you have to open up the sonos app (which is beyond terrible) and use the sonos volume, which is remarkably inconvenient. If the NYT audio app (not owned by apple) and others can support hardware volume controls, then it seems there’s no reason why the Sonos app shouldn’t be able to do the same. Especially since this used to work at one point in time. This comment will be ignored and the topic shut down I’m sure, but I just wanted to pipe in about it.
Topics are shut down after a period of no posts, regardless of content. There’s no conspiracy going on.
As to the NYT app vs. Sonos, there’s a big difference. The NYT app is a media player, the Sonos app is a remote control for third party hardware, and Apple has removed the capability for the hard buttons to control 3rd party hardware. They’ve also cracked down on the hack Sonos used to usurp that rule, which was playing a silent file in the background so iOS would think the Sonos app was a media player. Sonos either had to comply with Apple’s rule, or be removed from the App Store.
Bottom line, if you wish this functionality to return, you are barking up the wrong tree here at Sonos. Go bark up Apple’s tree.
As to documentation to the policy, Apple has rejected apps in the past for altering the hardware buttons:
In August, Apple rejected the photo app Camera+ when it included a volume-snap feature, because changing the behavior of the iPhone's external hardware buttons was strictly prohibited.
I’m absolutely fine with the mobile Sonos App. I like its layout and have got so used to it, that I don’t even need to think about it - I don’t personally like the old Windows Desktop interface and so rarely use that, but these things will always be subjective. No-one can ever please all the people, all of the time.
This same “procedure” has worked for me. To be honest, it only happened by accident. Then, I retraced my steps.
I know people are trying to be helpful but let’s be honest, the whole scenario is very poor and amongst other reasons, wish i went with Bose instead of Sonos!
You mean within the app, not using the hardware buttons on the iPad?
The side hardware buttons will not work on any iOS device when using the Sonos App, since Apple’s rules say that it they can be used by applications that are playing on iOS. Since the Sonos works by ‘playing’ from the Sonos speaker, and only using the app on iOS as a remote control, those side buttons don’t work, only the in app volume controls.
Of course, however, when you’re sending a Bluetooth signal to your Sonos, you’re then ‘playing’ the sound on your iPhone first, and then throwing the sound to Sonos, so the side buttons work. But they’re controlling the volume of the signal being sent, and not technically the Sonos volume per se.
It’s pretty much the same with Android/Google. It’s a crap shoot as to who introduces restrictions first, but generally the other follows step.
Adding a vote here that Sonos removing hardware controls should still be a goal / concern instead of just being marked “unfixable”. To change volume each time, you have to open up the sonos app (which is beyond terrible) and use the sonos volume, which is remarkably inconvenient. If the NYT audio app (not owned by apple) and others can support hardware volume controls, then it seems there’s no reason why the Sonos app shouldn’t be able to do the same. Especially since this used to work at one point in time. This comment will be ignored and the topic shut down I’m sure, but I just wanted to pipe in about it.
Adding a vote here that Sonos removing hardware controls should still be a goal / concern instead of just being marked “unfixable”. To change volume each time, you have to open up the sonos app (which is beyond terrible) and use the sonos volume, which is remarkably inconvenient. If the NYT audio app (not owned by apple) and others can support hardware volume controls, then it seems there’s no reason why the Sonos app shouldn’t be able to do the same. Especially since this used to work at one point in time. This comment will be ignored and the topic shut down I’m sure, but I just wanted to pipe in about it.
Topics are shut down after a period of no posts, regardless of content. There’s no conspiracy going on.
As to the NYT app vs. Sonos, there’s a big difference. The NYT app is a media player, the Sonos app is a remote control for third party hardware, and Apple has removed the capability for the hard buttons to control 3rd party hardware. They’ve also cracked down on the hack Sonos used to usurp that rule, which was playing a silent file in the background so iOS would think the Sonos app was a media player. Sonos either had to comply with Apple’s rule, or be removed from the App Store.
Bottom line, if you wish this functionality to return, you are barking up the wrong tree here at Sonos. Go bark up Apple’s tree.
This is always the response I’ve received related to anything Apple & Sonos… complaining to apple does absolutely nothing as a consumer. I’ve tried. Sonos would have more weight as a company, unless they’re in a dispute with Apple. At any rate, Sonos as a company appears to have thrown in the towel on this issue. As a consumer, I don’t care whose fault it is. It is up to the company (companies) to sort that out behind the scenes.
This is always the response I’ve received related to anything Apple & Sonos… complaining to apple does absolutely nothing as a consumer. I’ve tried. Sonos would have more weight as a company, unless they’re in a dispute with Apple. At any rate, Sonos as a company appears to have thrown in the towel on this issue. As a consumer, I don’t care whose fault it is. It is up to the company (companies) to sort that out behind the scenes.
Whether you care about fault or not, it doesn’t change the fact that Apple is enforcing their rules, and the only choices Sonos has is to comply, or be removed from the App Store. Which choice would you rather they take?
Wouldn’t you expect that Sonos discussed this with Apple at length, long before we became aware of it? Certainly that would not be public information, but it would be madness not to. I’ve certainly had my share of conversations with Apple folks, while representing another company’s interests. It would seem madness to me that Sonos wouldn’t have fought tooth and nail about several of these changes forced on them by both Apple and Google, but a company the size of Sonos against behemoths that offer Operating System that Sonos relies on is a challenge, and of course Sonos won’t oublically shake the boat, no matter how unhappy they may be. They’re still beholden to these companies to run the Sonos software on their OS.
I understand that you’d be OK with Sonos pulling their software from the Apple Store, and making it a download from the website only. I’ve not got research and numbers to back me up, but I suspect that option was looked at, and discarded by the Product Managers at Sonos, as it might lose them a larger portion of their users. Sonos does seem to have a marketing thrust of ‘ease of use’ more than anything else. I look at that as ‘something my mother could run easily, not overly complex’. If my mother had to go to a website to update the software on her Sonos (were she still alive), she’d rather immediately stop using and purchasing Sonos. I suspect there is a large portion of Sonos users who are the same, much larger than the population savvy enough to frequent this forum, and post.
It would be really nice if Sonos was more customizable. I see suggestions frequently here in this forum about adding this or that, all which make sense individually, but when you imagine each and every option and how it would fit in an ease of use application, it become no longer that…no ease of use, just a bewildering bevy of option that likely less than 1% of users would want to use, and way less than that which would use those options properly.
I don’t always agree with Sonos. However, I want them to stay in business, and continue their support for the system I have in my home. Perhaps at some point, a competitor will develop a better system, and I’ll jump ship…but so far, in the last 15 years, that hasn’t happened, and Sonos continues to evolve in both areas I do care about, and areas I don’t. As long as they continue to exist, I’m happy.
I have a very sensitive ear and can tell the slightest difference in music. Sending music to the Move speaker from iPhone is nice. However, sending music to Move from the Sonos app is stunning. So, is it possible to change the volume on the iPhone before opening the Sonos app? I just blew out my ears with volume at max and no way to turn it down.
By the way, what has happened to the antitrust laws?
Something must have set max volume when it was last used? Why not open the app, set the volume to roughly what you want, start the music and fine-adjust the volume?
This was 13 years ago though.
Do you have any evidence the policy has changed?
Which brings to bear a question similar to what
No sane company hacks something which is actually allowed by the rules. Similarly, no sane company removes functionality when it has no reason to do so. Sure there are those who can think up silly reasons like “They hate their customers!” or “Sonos are big meanies!” or “They don’t want to support it anymore!” when it probably took more man hours to take it out of the code than it does to support it in the first place, but in reality, there are no logical reasons except that the decision was forced upon them by Apple.
Fair enough, but if that is indeed the case, then they should be making an urgent effort to improve the app UX. Which they don’t appear to be doing. The focus seems to be on selling the hardware and keeping customers in their ecosystem. I get it from a profit perspective, but it sucks for their longtime customers.
UX is a very subjective thing. I don’t seem to have the problems other claim to have. Then again, I’m pretty skeptical when it comes to UX “science”. It seems more the flavor of the day than anything to do with actual performance or efficiency.
I’m absolutely fine with the mobile Sonos App. I like its layout and have got so used to it, that I don’t even need to think about it - I don’t personally like the old Windows Desktop interface and so rarely use that, but these things will always be subjective. No-one can ever please all the people, all of the time.
I'd bet money that if an anonymous customer survey were conducted, the majority of people using the Sonos app wouldn't like it. Most people on the support boards here seem to be fine with it, but if you look elsewhere there are many complaints. Taking a brief look in the apple app store reviews, the overall star score is likely inflated because many people write negative 5 star reviews. I guess to make sure their reviews aren’t deleted (which mine was when I attempted to review).
Here’s another thread about it:
I'd bet money that if an anonymous customer survey were conducted, the majority of people using the Sonos app wouldn't like it. Most people on the support boards here seem to be fine with it, but if you look elsewhere there are many complaints. Taking a brief look in the apple app store reviews, the overall star score is likely inflated because many people write negative 5 star reviews. I guess to make sure their reviews aren’t deleted (which mine was when I attempted to review).
Here’s another thread about it:
For the family and myself (friends too) it’s just a ‘remote control’ App for playing/controlling music on our speakers - I mostly concentrate more on the music than the App.
As I said, I use it without even thinking about it, as I’ve got so used to it and know where everything is… I know the App inside out and back to front and I’m fine with the UX - it’s as easy to use as any TV remote, I find. I have no issue searching/playing/contolling anything. “It does what it says on the tin”.
I find it really simple to use, but perhaps that’s because I’ve used the App since in was first launched (and I used the old App/interface for a long time too) and there’s no doubt I will likely use any new Sonos App, if they do ever launch one, as has been hinted at on this and many other websites.
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So who exactly has put “it's loyal committed customers in the middle of a technical dispute"? Sonos or Apple? Should Sonos really risk being kicked of the Apple App Store -which I understand Apple will do if you do not adhere to their demands?
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