non support of older sonos speakers
was reading about your new IPO and in the article it said you would no longer be supporting some of your older speakers in the near future, what speakers do they anticipate no longer supporting?
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But why disable a still working product? Give me a controller (app) that still works with my old gear and let me stay obsolete instead of killing my device entirely.
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augustwest, I'm surprised you didn't take advantage of the Sonos rebate for the CR-100 when Sonos dropped support for them. While there are a lot of the CR-100s for sale on ebay it looks like a lot of them are "no refund" offers, probably because buyers will be unhappy to discover they won't work with Sonos gear running current firmware.
@augustwest. I don't think you're on the edge at all with your use case. I wouldn't really have much use for mics on the connects either. However, I think there would be enough customers who would want to use the connect with a HT, out in the open, to warrant putting the mic in. It probably also sells well from a PR persepective, even if it's not useful for all. Since they already have the tech and the connect is due for a hardware upgrade, seems like it'd be a relatively easy thing to do.
In my case microphones on the connects would be pretty useless. Almost all of them are on racks down in the basement connected to amps. I am probably an edge case but I would imagine any custom home installation would also be in the same boat. I have 4-5 of the CR-100's but don't use them and trying to sell them has proven to be a waste of time.
I would guess all future products for Sonos are going to have mics built in. The Connect is a little different though since it has no speaker or connected speakers (Connect:amp). Therefore it needs it's own small built in speaker the same way that an Fire TV cube does, so that you're guaranteed to hear Alexa's response. It also feels like it would need some other additional functionality added to it to make it more integrated and useful for the receiver it's attached to.
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I'd not dump anything but CR-100s, keep the rest of it until they offer a newer version with some new function that you really need.
I stocked up on Play 1s in anticipation of them going away but they haven't so far. My two ZP-80 still do everything I want and I'd sure hate to replace them with a Connect only to find they had a newer version in the works. Unless of course the new version has a mike, then I'd likely grab the newer Connects for insurance as my ZPs are really old.
I stocked up on Play 1s in anticipation of them going away but they haven't so far. My two ZP-80 still do everything I want and I'd sure hate to replace them with a Connect only to find they had a newer version in the works. Unless of course the new version has a mike, then I'd likely grab the newer Connects for insurance as my ZPs are really old.
It's anyone's guess really. You could be pre-emptive and replace your zp's with comparable connects. However, Sonos could announced updated versions of the Connect tomorrow. It's a gamble either way.
I would like to know which gear I should dump now while it still has some value. Guessing the ZP80/ZP100's should go ASAP.
Sonos is an integrated system that is constantly developing. Your TV is neither of those things. A worthless comparison. But then you know that.
Mr. Flowerpot, you are obviously here trying to stir up an argument. I'll not be participating, so enjoy screaming at the wind.
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[quote=jgatie]one cannot really expect 13+ year old electronics to stay viable
Why not? If someone knocked on my door and explained that Sony had decided I had gotten enough value out of my plasma TV and they were here to take it" I'd feel 'robbed'. That TV's picture is every bit as good as my OLED. For a company to decide that I no longer get to use a product is wrong. And, please don't start the the 'A Sonos speaker is too complex to maintain' spew. They've introduced the complexity out of desire to change the nature of the product. Nor is the "That's the way modern products work" a defense. Intentionally obsoleting products is wrong.
Why not? If someone knocked on my door and explained that Sony had decided I had gotten enough value out of my plasma TV and they were here to take it" I'd feel 'robbed'. That TV's picture is every bit as good as my OLED. For a company to decide that I no longer get to use a product is wrong. And, please don't start the the 'A Sonos speaker is too complex to maintain' spew. They've introduced the complexity out of desire to change the nature of the product. Nor is the "That's the way modern products work" a defense. Intentionally obsoleting products is wrong.
That's the way it is now. It is not out of the question that there will come a tipping point where the oldest devices just cannot keep up and they will be retired (as was done with the CR100). We are not there yet, and Sonos does its best to avoid it, but one cannot really expect 13+ year old electronics to stay viable forever.
so all one would need to do is purchase a newer generation for updates and the existing equipment would still be functional within the system? I am sort of old school and do not use the Sonos with Alexa and or google, but just use my i phone and ipad to stream mostly amazon and pandora
Certain capabilities of the very oldest products have already been compromised, presumably to free up space for newer, more important, functionality.
For example ZP100/ZP80 are no longer able to perform an incremental library index update themselves. If there are newer, more capable, devices in the system the controller will automatically use one of those to execute an incremental library scan. If there are no such devices present, ZP100/ZP80 will make a time-consuming full scan instead.
Obviously Airplay support can only be offered in the most recent devices (Playbase, One, Beam) due to its hardware platform requirements. The solution is to group older players with one of the Airplay targets.
I think we could see more of this 'load-sharing' going on within a heterogeneous Sonos system.
For example ZP100/ZP80 are no longer able to perform an incremental library index update themselves. If there are newer, more capable, devices in the system the controller will automatically use one of those to execute an incremental library scan. If there are no such devices present, ZP100/ZP80 will make a time-consuming full scan instead.
Obviously Airplay support can only be offered in the most recent devices (Playbase, One, Beam) due to its hardware platform requirements. The solution is to group older players with one of the Airplay targets.
I think we could see more of this 'load-sharing' going on within a heterogeneous Sonos system.
I doubt you will get a definitive answer from Sonos. I imagine the older products would be sundowned first. Sonos products in order of release are:
ZP100
ZP80
Bridge
ZP120/Connect:Amp
ZP90/Connect
Play:5 1st gen (aka S5)
Play:3
Playbar
Play:1
Play:5 2nd gen
Boost
Playbase
One
Beam
ZP100
ZP80
Bridge
ZP120/Connect:Amp
ZP90/Connect
Play:5 1st gen (aka S5)
Play:3
Playbar
Play:1
Play:5 2nd gen
Boost
Playbase
One
Beam
“We expect that in the near to intermediate term, this backward compatibility will no longer be practical or cost-effective, and we may decrease or discontinue service for our older products,” says Sonos in a recent SEC filing.
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