SONOS S2 app need to be updated ASAP

  • 5 December 2021
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T
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Will we one day be able to take full advantage of our purchase and have the possibility of increasing the volume to 110% or 120% when the music recording is weaker?

I use 5 devices (2x sonos five and 2x sonos one + sub) and I find that the sound is 2X LESS LOUDER than normal when I listen to Classical music (piano), for example recordings by Frederic Chopin, Beethoven , etc. Don't say the recording is bad I just use 100% TOP quality FLAC with my Tidal PREMIUM hifi loseless subscription, most of this music is often MASTER quality.

This happens not only with classical music but also with other kinds of music. It's really shocking to have an app that is no more reliable than that. The quality of Sonos speakers is EXCEPTIONAL but they are VERY POORLY USED with an application like SONOS S2. I feel my hands tied with this bad application, and the search mode is not good at all, if you forget a letter it cannot find any songs, low-end application, and so on!

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jgatie

Guitar amp?  
https://www.marshallheadphones.com/gb/en/stanmore-ii-bluetooth.html

It does only go to 10 though. 
 

I try not to laugh at you, @Thewizard2000, but I am perplexed by what you say. In one post you say you love the Sonos sound and don’t want to sell your speakers. Then you say you want controls so that you can change the sound they produce. That implies that you don’t like the sound. Then having bought 5 speakers you decide they don’t play loud enough, yet still don’t want to return them.

Out of curiosity, what other systems did you try before selecting Sonos? What shortcomings did those other systems have? 

 

"Loves the Sonos sound", but spent multiple pages begging for a 10+ band equalizer, and then a 3 band equalizer to adjust the sound to their preference.  Now that beloved Sonos sound (whether equalized or not) is far too low for their musical preferences.  Also, the OP has many threats to sell their Sonos for these limitations, but they are still here complaining..  It's truly baffling.

K

I am going to slip a word to whom it may concern.

This is just getting silly. 

As silly as the other thread about a mid range EQ slider demand. You nailed it with your “pushing water uphill” description earlier here, so why are you trying to do that?:thinking::relaxed:

ratty

I am going to slip a word to whom it may concern.

This is just getting silly. 

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I answer that to those who tell me to buy something else to laugh at me instead of simply answering nothing if there is no solution for the moment. Like, for example, offering me a guitar amp. I am going to slip a word to whom it may concern.

Guitar amp?  
https://www.marshallheadphones.com/gb/en/stanmore-ii-bluetooth.html

It does only go to 10 though. 
 

I try not to laugh at you, @Thewizard2000, but I am perplexed by what you say. In one post you say you love the Sonos sound and don’t want to sell your speakers. Then you say you want controls so that you can change the sound they produce. That implies that you don’t like the sound. Then having bought 5 speakers you decide they don’t play loud enough, yet still don’t want to return them.

Out of curiosity, what other systems did you try before selecting Sonos? What shortcomings did those other systems have? 

jgatie

 I am going to slip a word to whom it may concern.

 

If you really have such insider contacts, I sure wish you would have started there and saved us the aggravation. 

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I answer that to those who tell me to buy something else to laugh at me instead of simply answering nothing if there is no solution for the moment. Like, for example, offering me a guitar amp. I am going to slip a word to whom it may concern.

ratty 
Deal! Buy me back my Sonos and I'll take the money for something else! :D

Threatened/promised two months ago. 

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Deal! Buy me back my Sonos and I'll take the money for something else! :D
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Perhaps you should get some Marshall amps, @Thewizard2000. As revealed by Spinal Tap, they have a volume control that goes up to 11. That gives you 110% compared to any that only go to 10. 😎😉

T
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I am sit to about 4 feet from 2x sonos one and 10 feet from 2x sonos five. I find that this is the reasonable standard.

ratty

It sounds like you’ll just have to sit closer to your speakers then. 

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Already try it with others services on my PC...It do exactly the same thing too for all classical musics with my Rokit KRK 8 speakers but i can QUICKLY solve the problem by slighly increase the MASTER volume on my mixer without creating any distortions and any issues at all.

ratty

2. Same problem with the tidal app on casting mode since the app is on casting mode with sonos app. Sonos app do not lose control of the volume.

The Sonos app is not ‘in control’. It’s simply reflecting the speaker volume however that was set, such as from the Tidal app. 

There’s internet chatter that Tidal is just ‘quieter’. Try a different service, even if only for a free trial. Since you like Classical have a go with Qobuz.

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1. Both of my level limit of my 2 rooms are set at 100% level.a

 

2. Same problem with the tidal app on casting mode since the app is on casting mode with sonos app. Sonos app do not lose control of the volume.

 

3. Lol my hearing is not degraded... i told you that most song like pop, electronic and rap music works very well.

ratty

But this is a big issue for those who want to listen lower loudness music like classical, we got half the power capable of our system. This is why in somes situations user should have control on that, sonos app is very limited that way. 

  1. Where does this “half the power capable” come from? You never commented on whether the Volume Limit was set. 
  2. Limited Sonos app? Explain what happened when you tried casting from the Tidal app direct.
  3. Since you mentioned Chopin I just sampled some Previn/RPO - Piano Concerto No. 1 on Deutsche Grammophon (known for their quality) from Deezer FLAC. It’s verging on too loud at 70% played through Fives+Sub; 50% is more comfortable. Unless your hearing is degraded and/or the room is huge I don’t understand the problem.
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Kumar if writing here to laugh, ridicule and make unnecessary jokes without adding any value I do not find that to justify continuing like this. I give my opinion on points that I find relevant, if you do not agree you say it with respect and it stops there. This forum is based on respect. Community moderators should not tolerate such behavior.

K

😂

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""Classical works typically have a lower average loudness, in order to accommodate a greater dynamic range.""

 

Ratty you got it! This is exactly the reason why sonos works well with pop music and rap and electro, because the recording level is so loud. But this is a big issue for those who want to listen lower loudness music like classical, we got half the power capable of our system. This is why in somes situations user should have control on that, sonos app is very limited that way. 

K

One final thought: the Sonos Volume Limit is not set is it? 

:clap: Good one...

K

Folks, looking back at previous threads where the OP was clearly deeply unsatisfied with Sonos we may be trying to push water uphill here...

Ahh...this is the poster that wanted a EQ slider for midrange as well mainly because the system in his car has it :joy:

ratty

Folks, looking back at previous threads where the OP was clearly deeply unsatisfied with Sonos we may be trying to push water uphill here...

ratty

Classical works typically have a lower average loudness, in order to accommodate a greater dynamic range. 

FWIW googling “tidal quieter” throws up quite a few relevant hits. Does the problem reproduce with other lossless services such as Deezer or Qobuz? Personally I’d choose any service other than Tidal anyway given their devotion to MQA, a format that’s attracted a lot of criticism.

106rallye
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You state: ‘I use 5 devices (2x sonos five and 2x sonos one + sub) and I find that the sound is 2X LESS LOUDER than normal when I listen to Classical music (piano), for example recordings by Frederic Chopin, Beethoven , etc. Don't say the recording is bad I just use 100% TOP quality FLAC with my Tidal PREMIUM hifi loseless subscription, most of this music is often MASTER quality.’ 

Could you define ‘normal’ in this sense?

ratty

The search facilities are what's provided by the streaming service. Some tolerate misspellings, some don't. 

As for the "bad" Sonos application, why not cast directly from the Tidal app instead. The Sonos speakers still won't render MQA of course. Tidal’s insistence on encoding with MQA could however have compromised the sound.

One final thought: the Sonos Volume Limit is not set is it? 

K

Seriously though - I rarely listen to classical, but even when I do, I have never needed to run any Sonos kit be it a speaker or Connect Amp, at 100%. It would be painfully loud. For all my usual listening of Jazz/Blues via a NAS or streaming services, I have never crossed 90%. 

Is your listening position too far away from your speakers? Reducing that distance may be a more sensible as well as a probably neighbour friendly answer.

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