Sonos making thousands of SMB3 connections to Synology

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Just checked and I’m at 1095 connections to the NAS. Before, the connections would just continue growing unchecked. I’ll let you know if the number goes back down by itself over time.

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For reference, my Synology NAS is running the following SMB version:

Version 4.10.18
Synology Build 42184, Feb 17 2022 19:04:31

 

Like billfor mentioned, I didn’t notice this on 13.x, but on 14.x around the time the SMB3 fix came out. I had a library setup around Halloween last year to play music from the NAS, forgot that I had left the music library enabled and didn’t have a problem till Thanksgiving week or soon after when I had upgraded to 14.x. That’s when I noticed my old NAS kept running out of memory and required almost every other day reboots before I tracked the issue to the Sonos speakers keeping thousands of connections open.

 

14.6 seems to have helped slightly as I don’t see the connections growing out of control now.

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Ok, looks like I can somewhat repro this on my Debian 10 machine with Samba 4.9.5. It’s not as excessive as for billfor, but I have some open connections. My Samba 14.15.5 machine however doesn’t show this behaviour. It’s running in a Docker btw. and I use it to rip my audio CDs and Blurays. 

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On my Pi SMB server the old connections seem to disappear over time. Nothing showing today.

I’m using Raspbian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) are you on a newer release?

I don’t get offered Samba 4.15.x on this system.

 

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Yes that is the way it is supposed to look. Your connection time is recent however (3pm). The people that have the issue report that it gets worse over time because the old connections are not closed or reused. It would therefore be more conclusive to show the results of an smbstatus on Sunday, still showing the connections in use from Friday. Or perhaps the way it is supposed to work is that the Sonos closes the old connections before starting the new ones in which case the 5 connections will always be recent - in our case we get new ones but the old ones stay orphaned, and they are definitely orphans because setting the smb deadtime parameter works to cleanup the connections. Unfortunately deadtime is a global and not a share property, so I can’t set it to some relatively low value otherwise I’ll time out other shares that I want to leave alone.

 

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Debian Arm Linux (Raspberry PI) loading a 1034 song playlist and scrolling to the end using the noson app.

pi@pi-3b-2:~ $ sudo smbstatus

Samba version 4.9.5-Debian
PID     Username     Group        Machine                                   Protocol Version  Encryption           Signing              
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15839   nobody       nogroup      172.16.1.114 (ipv4:172.16.1.114:40048)    SMB3_02           -                    -                    
15816   nobody       nogroup      172.16.1.115 (ipv4:172.16.1.115:42990)    SMB3_02           -                    -                    
15814   nobody       nogroup      172.16.1.115 (ipv4:172.16.1.115:42988)    SMB3_02           -                    -                    
15841   nobody       nogroup      172.16.1.114 (ipv4:172.16.1.114:40050)    SMB3_02           -                    -                    

Service      pid     Machine       Connected at                     Encryption   Signing     
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
music        15841   172.16.1.114  Fri May  6 02:59:14 PM 2022 MST  -            -           
music        15839   172.16.1.114  Fri May  6 02:59:14 PM 2022 MST  -            -           
music        15816   172.16.1.115  Fri May  6 02:59:04 PM 2022 MST  -            -           
music        15814   172.16.1.115  Fri May  6 02:59:04 PM 2022 MST  -            -   

 

I was going to post the same using a Sonos controller but it looks like my playlists aren’t available using it, neither is my Recently Played list.

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Edit: loaded the queue manually from Sonos controller, scrolled to the end to populate the thumbnails. Aside from being far slower to populate than the noson program there was no difference in the smbstatus output.

 

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Just for fun I tried loading a subfolder into the queue so it was only around 200 songs and let it play and then messed around the S2 app a bit to force it to load album art, etc.., and was easily able to reproduce the problem. 9 new connections in a minute.

root@ix4-300d:/# date
Fri May 6 17:00:59 EDT 2022
root@ix4-300d:/# smbstatus | grep Music | wc -l
17

root@ix4-300d:/# date
Fri May 6 17:01:58 EDT 2022
root@ix4-300d:/# smbstatus | grep Music | wc -l
26

You can see all the new ones started at 5:01 just as I started using the S2 app to force the album art load.

root@ix4-300d:/# smbstatus | grep Music
Music 15693 192.168.1.168 Fri May 6 04:54:23 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 15484 192.168.1.113 Fri May 6 04:53:21 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 15676 192.168.1.168 Fri May 6 04:54:20 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 15712 192.168.1.168 Fri May 6 04:54:25 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 15710 192.168.1.168 Fri May 6 04:54:25 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 16445 192.168.1.168 Fri May 6 05:01:36 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 16433 192.168.1.168 Fri May 6 05:01:33 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 16456 192.168.1.168 Fri May 6 05:01:40 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 15465 192.168.1.168 Fri May 6 04:53:19 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 16425 192.168.1.168 Fri May 6 05:01:32 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 16435 192.168.1.168 Fri May 6 05:01:34 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 16429 192.168.1.168 Fri May 6 05:01:32 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 15704 192.168.1.168 Fri May 6 04:54:24 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 16421 192.168.1.168 Fri May 6 05:01:30 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 15674 192.168.1.168 Fri May 6 04:54:20 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 16443 192.168.1.168 Fri May 6 05:01:36 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 15488 192.168.1.113 Fri May 6 04:53:22 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 16458 192.168.1.168 Fri May 6 05:01:41 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 16185 192.168.1.139 Fri May 6 04:59:18 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 15686 192.168.1.168 Fri May 6 04:54:21 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 15708 192.168.1.168 Fri May 6 04:54:24 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 16439 192.168.1.168 Fri May 6 05:01:35 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 15477 192.168.1.139 Fri May 6 04:53:21 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 15690 192.168.1.168 Fri May 6 04:54:22 PM 2022 EDT - -
Music 15483 192.168.1.139 Fri May 6 04:53:21 PM 2022 EDT - -
15477 99 DENY_NONE 0x89 RDONLY NONE /mnt/pools/A/A0/Music Pink Floyd/04 - A Saucerful Of Secrets.flac Fri May 6 17:05:38 2022

 

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I load the entire NAS into the queue and just shuffle them. Music share is just the root of a bunch of folders with tracks.  So that’s about 19,000.

I’ve tried splitting the rooms, vs combining them and it has no effect on this problem.

I should point out that there was never a problem until 14.0 came out, and as I understand that changed the NAS protocol to SMB3. So that seems to suggest something related in that new feature.

 

It’s not a wifi issue because the problem occurs when everything is wired. How many connections do you have to your NAS that are reused properly?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Weird and interesting… as said, I have no issues here. I’m running Samba 4.9.5 and Samba 4.15.5 on two different machines and can’t reproduce this issue.

What exactly do you do? You mention a share with a few thousand tracks, do you have them all in the queue? I added approx. 1000 tracks to the queue, played it and scrolled through and had no issues. Also browsing through the library doesn’t create any excess connections that are not closed. 

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root@ix4-300d:/usr/local/samba/bin# /usr/local/samba/sbin/smbd --version
Version 4.9.3
root@ix4-300d:/usr/local/samba/bin# smbstatus | grep Music | wc -l
400
^^ no kidding

root@rpi4:~# smbd --version
Version 4.13.13-Debian

root@rpi4:~# smbstatus | grep Music | wc -l
50

It should use and maintain 5 connections only.

 

I’ve talked to friends and they have the same issue. You need to run 14.x not 13.x. S2 only.

Pretty easy to reproduce. Play from a share with a few thousand songs on it, scroll through album art in the queue to force connections, etc…

It’s most likely a connection pool issue.

 

 

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Interesting, I have two Linux servers running serving music to Sonos via SMB and I have no issues at all. What version of the Samba are you using?

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Update: I mirrored my NAS to a rasperry pi via NFS, and then served that to the sonos via smb, in effect creating a 2nd smb server, and the problem still happens very quickly and is easily reproducible. So 99% sure it is a problem with Sonos.

 

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Hi folks,

 

I’m happy to say that this issue has been resolved with the latest S2 update (14.4). Sonos players should no longer be sending excessive requests to your NAS drives when using the music library when updated to this version.

Please let our customer care team know if you’re still experiencing this issue after updating all players and controllers to 14.4. 🙂

 

James since it is not resolved I just gave a courtesy call to support and uploaded my logs which are 14.6 and the problem appears hardwired and wifi so as to rule that out.

 

Support said:

“Basically what  our support doing is they will going to look at the forum and check a work around to fix the issue. You will be updated on the link that you've provided to us in the community.”

 

 

So possibly if there is anything to say they will reply back here.  I guess my next step would be to try out alternate SMB servers to see maybe there is some bug in a specific SAMBA version. I’m a little perplexed that more people haven’t complained en mass, but maybe nobody uses direct file share anymore or people don’t update beyond 13.x. It is very mysterious to me why only two people seem to reliably have the issue.

 

If it is of any help, updating the sonos firmware clears all the connection, as does switching from wifi to hardwire, or from hardwire to wifi. You can actually see all the connections cleaned up, but then the problem slowly grows again until the sonos is again switched or reset.  The Sonos seems to be holding those connections is some sort of connection queue and forgetting about them.

 

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I’ve updated to 14.6 and still have the same problem, although it appears it isn’t quite as bad as before. I have 427 connections, but it doesn’t appear to be growing until there is no more memory on the NAS. Before, the connections would just continue to grow by the hundreds until there was several thousands of them. Now it appears to be under 500 connections.

I’ve let support know and have been keeping them updated. They said they are looking into it, but haven’t heard anything back from them.

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I had some time so I updated everything to 14.6 (5 devices) and still have the problem. 403 connections to the NAS from the speakers.

 

root@ix4-300d:/# smbstatus | grep Music | wc -l
403

 

I also wired everything in case the connection were getting deauths and that was causing it, but the same problem happens even when the speakers are physically wired, so it has nothing to do with that. I will call support.

 

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The previous connections went away on their own and now another 361 connections have been made by the same speaker as before. This speaker is not currently the associated product and is a speaker that has a playlist queued up from Spotify so not sure why the speaker is still making persistent connections to the NAS.

I’ve reported this to support as well.

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After removing the queue from the speaker, no new persistent connections are made to the NAS, just the 565 that were there from before.

I’m also starting to see SMB1 connections, from several speakers, randomly showing up again even when the mobile app wasn’t running.

Warning

Connection

2022-04-02 08:11:30

SYSTEM

Host [192.168.22.120] failed to connect via [SMB] due to [SMB1 not permitted].

Warning

Connection

2022-04-02 08:11:30

SYSTEM

Host [192.168.22.115] failed to connect via [SMB] due to [SMB1 not permitted].

Warning

Connection

2022-04-02 08:11:30

SYSTEM

Host [192.168.22.120] failed to connect via [SMB] due to [SMB1 not permitted].

Warning

Connection

2022-04-02 08:11:30

SYSTEM

Host [192.168.22.118] failed to connect via [SMB] due to [SMB1 not permitted].

Warning

Connection

2022-04-02 08:11:30

SYSTEM

Host [192.168.22.115] failed to connect via [SMB] due to [SMB1 not permitted].

Warning

Connection

2022-04-02 08:11:30

SYSTEM

Host [192.168.22.118] failed to connect via [SMB] due to [SMB1 not permitted].

 

I’ve rebooted the speaker that had the 565 connections open to the NAS to see if they disconnect from the NAS. It would appear that if you have any songs from the NAS queued up on a speaker, it will slowly open persistent connections to the NAS.

I’ve reported this to support, but we haven’t done any additional troubleshooting at this time.

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Also, as an FYI, I’m only seeing connections from one speaker. The connections are up to 565 active sessions. I do have songs from the NAS queued up on this speaker, but not playing. I’ve just cleared the queue on the speaker with all the connections to see if that helps.

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Hi @Chewbucka,

 

I ask that you please reach out to our customer care team for some live troubleshooting, as our engineers are looking to investigate any cases where this issue persists after the 14.4 update.

I’ve replied back to the customer care rep yesterday with the same information posted here, but haven’t heard back yet.

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Hi @Chewbucka,

 

I ask that you please reach out to our customer care team for some live troubleshooting, as our engineers are looking to investigate any cases where this issue persists after the 14.4 update.

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I don’t believe 14.4 has fully resolved the issue. I installed 14.4 a couple of days ago and re-added the Music Library. I haven’t seen any SMB1 connections and at first, things looked better from an open connection standpoint.

I’m sad to report that I currently have 263 active connections from what appears to be the last speaker that I played music from the Music Library. Here are some of the latest logs showing the connections within a 10 minute timeframe.

Time User Client Name and IP service Resource
2022/03/29 16:10:24 sonos 192.168.22.160 SMB3 music
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Hi folks,

 

I’m happy to say that this issue has been resolved with the latest S2 update (14.4). Sonos players should no longer be sending excessive requests to your NAS drives when using the music library when updated to this version.

Please let our customer care team know if you’re still experiencing this issue after updating all players and controllers to 14.4. 🙂

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Just as an FYI, at the direction of support, I removed all songs in the playlists and I no longer saw any connections from the speakers as expected.

I’ve installed version 14.4 and have re-enabled the Music Library. I’ll keep an eye on the connections to the NAS to see if the issue remains with the hundreds of connections and SMB1 attempted connections.

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I haven’t noticed an issue with the speakers de-authing on the wifi so far. The only thing is the hundreds of connections, the SMB1 connections, and the continued connections to the NAS even after removing the music library which has the saved credentials. This should be a security concern since the credentials should not be able to be used once the connection to the music library is removed. I haven’t removed my playlist, that contains songs from the NAS, until they can get this fixed.

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I noticed my speakers, which are all wifi connected have deauths in the router log. This causes another Zone player to take over the connections and the old ones are abandoned. Something may have changed recently where they are more likely to disconnect from the wifi network. If you have another AP, or instability in your wifi , that could be a cause. In my case it just started happening with the December update, and none of my other wifi devices are deauthing, so the problem seems specific to Sonos.

If the smbstatus shows multiple ips rather than a single ip, that is also a symptom of this same problem.