I've used Sonos for several years now, and while I haven't been fan of the controller software it never caused me the level of frustration and outright anger I feel every time i use it now. It did it's job and overall I never gave it much thought. Context: we have 5 Play 1's, one Play 3 and one Play 5. 95% of the time I use the Android controller to control my system, unless I'm working from home on my Windows machine, and then I will use the Windows app. (Thank God I still have that...)
I'd been ignoring the new release, as I knew I had no need for the Alexa features, but finally relented, as I got sick of seeing the prompt in the UI, and foolishly had not read any comments about the upgrade. From the get go, my first thoughts were:
* Slow and sluggish - I use the software on a Nexus 9 tablet and a Pixel phone. On both of those devices the UI is markedly slower than the previous one, especially when searching for artists or tracks, or grouping/un-grouping devices.
* Utterly unintuitive UI - Almost everything I've wanted to do I've had to experiment with for sometimes minutes, to figure out how in the world to do it. Trying to find how to play my Napster playlist, how to see what is queued in a given room, how to only search a given music provider, etc. For example, this morning, I turned on the app, went to the My Sonos page and clicked a station I like. It started playing on one speaker in the bedroom. No idea why it picked that speaker. The app had just opened, no room was active in the little strip at the bottom, and that hadn't been what I had last played on that speaker. I asked myself 'how do I turn off what is playing on that speaker'? I went to the Rooms page. I could see that something was playing on that speaker, with the little moving bar icons, but when I would select that speaker, then arrow up so it is filling the screen, the UI had no active controls to turn off the station; there were no active icons for stopping what was playing. I gave up after playing around for like 5 minutes and just walked over and turned the speaker off. I've had so many of these kinds of interactions, and I honestly cannot tell if these are bugs, truly missing features, or complete and utter sh$% design that has disabled functionality that used to be intuitive and straightforward.
* More clicks/interactions to do anything - For what works, and I can figure out how to do it, it seems that I have to navigate all over the place to do the most trivial things: finding my playlist within Napster, accessing alarms, switching to another room (when it works)...it feels like everything is at least twice as difficult/time-consuming as before
* Completely shattered my view of this company - Sonos has been one of my most absolute favorite products in the last few years. Not only did I love your speaker quality (still do) but from the first time I started using the software, and seeing how easy it was to browse across my many catalogs and throw different music on different rooms...I was thrilled. I have recommended it all the time to friends and family. No more. I cannot conceive how this product shipped in its current state. It is mind-blowingly bad. I think it is the worst application I've ever used, period, from a pure 'WTF' ratio. (Formula: time spent using app / WTFs uttered) We had been planing on adding more speakers, but forget that. We are officially in wait-and-see mode at this point, as I've lost complete faith that you guys care in the least about your customers. (My wife thinks this app is completely confusing and she regrets updating her iPad.)
After reading all the comments, I also agree that the color scheme is not as pleasing as the previous one, esp. since we do often use the app at night and/or in dim rooms. But that is the least of my complaints. I would gladly take a glaringly bright app if it worked well and was a pleasure to use.
I hardly ever give feedback, but I felt compelled to do so in this case. I am a professional software architect, who has designed many UIs over the last 20 years, and I daily work with people who use my software. I'm stunned that this product was released as-is. Did this honesty get through anything approaching a focus group made up of experienced users? I get the impression that the designers of this version have never used any of the previous versions, and aren't accustomed to using the product itself on a daily basis. Next to Windows 8, this is probably the single biggest WTF I've ever had with a piece of software I use on a regular basis. If Sonos was determined to release this, they should have released it as a *different app* that users could choose to install while keeping the current one, while explicitly soliciting feedback and then switching over when that one was ready and baked. ("Try the new Sonos Controller vNext.") This feels like a proof-of-concept/alpha release that just got slung out there. ("Works on my box!")
I'm so disappointed in this release, as Sonos was an element of daily joy in my life, and now each time I interact with the software I get pissed off. From the few comments of people who like this release, I seem to read elements of 'Sonos is trying to model it after streaming services', or something to that effect. Ummm. OK. I have never struggled with Napster, iHeartRadio, Pandora, or Spotify like I've struggled with this POS. And those apps *are not designed to control you speakers* which is the whole point of the Sonos Controller. Most of the streaming services excel at giving a UI that allows you to search for and find music, esp. new music; Sonos never did that well, and still doesn't. But I didn't care, as I didn't buy the product to be my music catalog; I bought it to listen to the music I want to listen to. It served it's purpose of letting me easily control what to play where, and I was proficient finding what I wanted to play easily via the search. That is now out the window.
Sonos, you need to redo this app quickly or make the old one available. Are you reading the comments and feedback, not only here but in the Google Play reviews? It is overwhelmingly negative for many valid reasons. This is like New Coke and Windows 8 bad. You guys are going to lose out on a lot more speaker sales from established customers if you basically flip us all the bird by keeping this version. At least put the old version back out there and give us the option of installing that. That is the least you could do.
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At which time are you still filled with unadulterated hatred for it?
After reading more of the threads and responses, and playing with it more few more comments for what they are worth.
* I think the Rooms UI is/was the primary source of my confusion and frustration. The way it flows after you 'double-click' select a room, and then the bottom goes away and all your left with is that red drop-down on the bottom. To me, that implies 'switch rooms' here. It looks like that is how it would behave. Completely unintuitive that you have to go 'back' or use that collapse region on the top.
* More on Rooms UI - total waste of real-estate. I hate having to scroll - wish I would see a nice brief condensed list. We generally have 5 rooms configured, and I don't care/want to see what is queued up for the room when I'm going to activate it. I also don't think it is obvious or intuitive that you have to touch it to activate it. It doesn't look anything like a button/selector. It looks like a container for a name and the 'group' function. I think the only way I knew that it was serving some other purpose was the fact that the red room title changes after you touch it. As much room as is taken up on this screen, you could have put a Play/Pause/Stop button right on that 'link' without having to select/expand or double-click.
* I think having 'browse' and 'search' makes no sense. Those are basically synonyms, and even clicking on them and looking at the UI to me it's not clear what in the world these are broken out for the way they are.
* Would be nice to be able to launch music quicker from the 'My Sonos' page, i.e. be able to essentially have those grouped optionally with a room, so in one shot you could start a given playlist within a room, or the menu that comes up when you touch and hold could have offered more options, such as playing on another room. Much of the time we are playing certain types of things in certain rooms/configurations.
* I think the issue I had this morning playing a station and the UI not registering the room correctly is most likely a bug. I was using exclusively my phone and then this morning I was using my tablet, and I'd never picked a room. I just clicked a station on the My Sonos page. I never saw anything activate on the bottom, even though things were playing, so guessing that is an edge case that slipped through.
* I think the Rooms UI is/was the primary source of my confusion and frustration. The way it flows after you 'double-click' select a room, and then the bottom goes away and all your left with is that red drop-down on the bottom. To me, that implies 'switch rooms' here. It looks like that is how it would behave. Completely unintuitive that you have to go 'back' or use that collapse region on the top.
* More on Rooms UI - total waste of real-estate. I hate having to scroll - wish I would see a nice brief condensed list. We generally have 5 rooms configured, and I don't care/want to see what is queued up for the room when I'm going to activate it. I also don't think it is obvious or intuitive that you have to touch it to activate it. It doesn't look anything like a button/selector. It looks like a container for a name and the 'group' function. I think the only way I knew that it was serving some other purpose was the fact that the red room title changes after you touch it. As much room as is taken up on this screen, you could have put a Play/Pause/Stop button right on that 'link' without having to select/expand or double-click.
* I think having 'browse' and 'search' makes no sense. Those are basically synonyms, and even clicking on them and looking at the UI to me it's not clear what in the world these are broken out for the way they are.
* Would be nice to be able to launch music quicker from the 'My Sonos' page, i.e. be able to essentially have those grouped optionally with a room, so in one shot you could start a given playlist within a room, or the menu that comes up when you touch and hold could have offered more options, such as playing on another room. Much of the time we are playing certain types of things in certain rooms/configurations.
* I think the issue I had this morning playing a station and the UI not registering the room correctly is most likely a bug. I was using exclusively my phone and then this morning I was using my tablet, and I'd never picked a room. I just clicked a station on the My Sonos page. I never saw anything activate on the bottom, even though things were playing, so guessing that is an edge case that slipped through.
You don't need to double-tap. A single tap will switch to the room you require, in the Rooms tab. The double tap is just a shortcut to bring up the 'Now Playing' screen for that room.
The Rooms tab allows for very fast switching between rooms, much faster than the previous drop-down mechanism.
There is a UI tweak on the way (apparently) that keeps the bottom tab bar visible when the 'Now Playing' screen is active. That would streamline the UI flow.
Thanks Ryan. Hearing that gives me a glimmer of hope. With exception of this software version, I have always loved your products, and don't want this relationship to end.
Thanks for taking the time to share, wleary. I'll make sure to pass on your feedback to the team, and they are looking into some changes as the app develops. This is just the start.
Thanks John. I'll check that out when I get home. I saw that doc earlier today. I was definitely not 'double tapping' in the Rooms UI, I was 'single tapping'. It seriously requires you to 'double' tap?! That would be quite unusual for an app of this type. I wonder if there are right-click menus too...jk.
@wleary. Your anger and frustration are clearly genuine and deeply felt. Now, I have had no problems with the app, and I am having as much difficulty understanding why some people hate it so much, just as maybe cannot understand why I don't.
I just don't recognise some of the things you describe, although clearly they have been your experience. But to take a couple of examples - if I want to get control of a room I press the Rooms button, double tap the room, and the Now Playing screen opens with control of that room. I have not known it fail, and I don't know why it did for you.
Finding Napster playlists. I don't use Napster, but for the streaming services I do use, it's Browse button, select service, then proceed as before.
So I am baffled, as you probably are with me. I don't know if this link will help. I suspect not, to be honest, but you may like to take a look.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5LY6yD3BW7adkstOHVDVzZUMUE/view?usp=sharing
I just don't recognise some of the things you describe, although clearly they have been your experience. But to take a couple of examples - if I want to get control of a room I press the Rooms button, double tap the room, and the Now Playing screen opens with control of that room. I have not known it fail, and I don't know why it did for you.
Finding Napster playlists. I don't use Napster, but for the streaming services I do use, it's Browse button, select service, then proceed as before.
So I am baffled, as you probably are with me. I don't know if this link will help. I suspect not, to be honest, but you may like to take a look.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5LY6yD3BW7adkstOHVDVzZUMUE/view?usp=sharing
Or when people go out of their way to start threads for topics that are already being discused ad infinitum, it just gets lost in the noise and is ignored. That would be my experience.
Nope they weren't. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. This app is a squeaky wheel.
Were these threads not enough? (and these are just in this sub-forum) ;)
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/please-go-back-to-the-last-app-the-update-sucks-so-bad-6791742
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/sonos-ios-update-is-shockingly-bad-first-impressions-6791365
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/reverting-to-previous-version-of-sonos-6791536
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/disappointing-6792795
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/echoing-the-massive-negative-feedback-on-the-new-android-ui-6792428
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/version-8-for-ios-is-terrible-6791819
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/newly-redesigned-sonos-app-6792622
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/why-soooo-many-regular-updates-to-this-already-lets-be-honest-bad-software-6792798
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/white-controller-background-is-horrible-6791554
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/hate-the-new-update-6739618
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/we-want-sonos-app-dark-mode-back-6791523
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/specific-issue-with-new-ios-app-with-screenshots-6792745
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/opt-out-of-system-update-6792754
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/changing-rooms-and-accidentally-grouping-sucks-6792742
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/newest-android-and-iapps-a-step-back-6792689
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/hate-this-new-app-8-0-6791582
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/the-new-app-is-really-bad-6792651
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/comments-on-recient-updates-6792627
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/please-go-back-to-the-last-app-the-update-sucks-so-bad-6791742
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/sonos-ios-update-is-shockingly-bad-first-impressions-6791365
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/reverting-to-previous-version-of-sonos-6791536
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/disappointing-6792795
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/echoing-the-massive-negative-feedback-on-the-new-android-ui-6792428
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/version-8-for-ios-is-terrible-6791819
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/newly-redesigned-sonos-app-6792622
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/why-soooo-many-regular-updates-to-this-already-lets-be-honest-bad-software-6792798
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/white-controller-background-is-horrible-6791554
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/hate-the-new-update-6739618
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/we-want-sonos-app-dark-mode-back-6791523
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/specific-issue-with-new-ios-app-with-screenshots-6792745
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/opt-out-of-system-update-6792754
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/changing-rooms-and-accidentally-grouping-sucks-6792742
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/newest-android-and-iapps-a-step-back-6792689
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/hate-this-new-app-8-0-6791582
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/the-new-app-is-really-bad-6792651
https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/comments-on-recient-updates-6792627
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