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Sonos Play 1 + Amazon Echo Dot?!?!

  • 23 January 2017
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Hey everybody, i have the Sonos Play 1 twice at the moment and im thinking about buying a Amazon Echo Dot. Am i yet able to connect the devices via WIFI? Thanks.
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Actually you didn't get it. Maybe you're too young, lack curiosity or have no sense of humour. Or possibly all 3. I don't really care. But if you're interested in expanding your narrow horizons then Google "Monty Python Spam sketch". You're welcome


Certainly not young. Know the pythons well and watch the original sketches first time round so well aware of the Spam sketch. And I certainly do have a sense of humour.

However, when someone (not you originally i admit) tries to turn a helpful post into being accused on posting spam then I guess sense of humour becomes parrot like - dead!

If you were just been amusing and had no point to make then fine - haha. But it might have helped to put something other than just a random monty python quote in with nothing else to add.

How would you like to see something like that after something you post as a serious point and the inference being that you are just spamming?

I think its probably just best to take the previous users point and recognise that there's no place here for reasonable discussion or feedback to Sonos if it goes against established posters views who clearly can't take anyone else's opinion on Sonos or god forbid try and provide a helpful answer.

I'll leave now and wont bother posting again - you and jgatie can continue to answer peoples questions here and help them in your own way.
No

But Sonos are working on it. Keep an eye on this forum for news


WORK. FASTER.
This is now six months old and still no sign of the integration. Honestly people, how hard can it be for Sonos to integrate with Alexa when even lightbulb companies managed ages ago?! This is just embarrassing and intensely frustrating!

Hire more software engineers! Do overtime! Ship the bloody update! Jeesh!
Yeah, cause turning a lightbulb on or off is the same thing as searching multiple music sources for a single song, album, or artist among multiple millions of entries, then having them play to multiple rooms at various volume levels, while being able to group and ungroup those rooms at will. Not to mention turn on shuffle, repeat, crossfade, shift between queue and radio sources, mute single rooms as well as groups, set alarms, set timers, etc., etc., etc. All using an infrastructure that, unlike other internet devices, never had to interact with other IOT devices before.

Yeah, it's all the same. Congrats on the funniest post all month. :8
There seems to be a surprising number of Sonos-friendly trolls on this and similar threads. I wonder why...

But quite apart from questioning your motives, jgatie, (and I do), your comment reflects _exactly_ the kind of misguided thinking that appears to be leading Sonos astray. So let me spell it out:

1/ I emphatically *don't want* Sonos software to be searching multiple music sources, shuffling, doing queueing, or anything of the kind. Those problems have been solved (very well, I might add) by Spotify, Amazon, Apple Music, Pandora etc. etc. In fact, I'd really rather Sonos stopped designing user-facing music management software at all, because the results are ample proof that they suck at it.

2/ What I would really welcome (like a majority of people on the thread, I suspect) would be the ability to use the Sonos system as a *sound output device* for whatever system I'm using. If you can do a device-independent service integration like with Spotify then great (although usability is fairly poor tbh). However, I for one would be perfectly happy if you just __finally__ let me stream sound from whatever device I'm using to the Sonos system. And yes I know that will have implications for device battery life, but I'd appreciate if that were my choice. Note that solves the Alexa integration, AppleTV integration, browser streaming question and all the rest of it in one go.

3/ Crossfade, volume controls per room etc. are already built into Sonos control software, so I don't see how they're relevant to the development effort for new features.

4/ "An infrastructure that has never had to interact with other IOT devices" - unlike home appliance manufacturers? That's just silly.

TL;DR: Sonos should stop trying to develop music management software and instead focus a thin layer of communication protocols that can register the speakers / rooms on my network and stream sound from whatever device I happen to be using.

Edits: Minor edits for clarity, typo.
There seems to be a surprising number of Sonos-friendly trolls on this and similar threads. I wonder why...

Hmmm...let me guess. Could it perhaps be because this is a Sonos run forum for Sonos users/would be users to troubleshoot, get guidance on which part of the range suits their needs best, discuss which third party products work well with Sonos kit, and to be updated on Sonos plans for the future to the extent that Sonos is able to share these with the public?

Question of semantics too: is someone that promotes or clarifies a Sonos point of view on a site maintained by Sonos, be called a troll? As defined here:
"a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement."

I think not.
I don't get how people can be so confident in their blind assumptions about the development process. Just as an example, the comment regarding light bulbs integrating ages ago. Yes, it was. However, as pointed out already, it should be a much better integration. As well it was developed before Echo/Alexa went live. Why would you assume the develop went quickly and smoothly? For all we knew it could have taken 2 years to complete. As well, I would imagine Amazon took on a majority of the development. Integrating smart home appliances was a major feature requirement of the original product.

And Sonos should work FASTER? Do you have any data on how many developers and hours are put in the development right now? Do we know how much effort Amazon is putting in from their side? Do we know if the integration won't be released till a later date for marketing purposes? Do we know what marketing data management is looking at to determine how much they can afford to put in development and still expect to return a profit?


The reality is that we know very very little. What we thinking we know is based on assumptions that we really can't rely on with too much confidence. Wanting an integration ASAP is quite understandable. Wanting to drop Sonos (to replace with what?) is a personal choice. However, I don't get why people take their assumptions as fact and can't understand how people couldn't possibly come to a different conclusion then they did.
Jeff S

I am thinking about buying a "digital assistant", possibly an Amazon Echo Dot, but am also considering Google Home and Apple HomePod. One of the main reasons is actually because I want to be able to lie in bed in the morning and just shout out, play "xyz" without moving :P

Anyhow, I appreciate the integration with Amazon isn't complete yet and that it's coming during 2017. So any purchase I make for an Amazon Dot would be purely speculative as I suspect Sonas / Amazon won't underwrite it or guarantee that the integration will definitely happen (or will they?).

My question (forgive the pre-amble), is how are you building the integration? I would hope that Sonas are developing a REST API, so that any of the aforementioned digital assistants could easily develop plugins for Sonos should the demand be there, or those of us more technical could create our own crude versions. Or is it that you are developing a proprietary plugin with Amazon which will provide greater features and control than could be achieved via a generic REST API?

I guess it would be useful from a consumer perspective to understand the future potential ease of 3rd party integration with Sonos.

For example, the Sonos strategy might be to publish a REST API to enable greater integration with multiple apps offering some basic functions which is pretty quick for app companies to program. Then for a select few Sonos "Platinum" partners, tighter integration is developed to enable more feature rich options.

To conclude, I may decide I prefer Google Home, but if Sonos doesn't integrate, I may sell my Sonos speakers on Ebay and then switch to another product, because I value my digital assistant more than my speakers. I'm not saying I do prefer Google Home, but I hope you understand the way consumers minds may work and why I am asking these questions.
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But Sonos are working on it. Keep an eye on this forum for news
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The good - such new amazing personal assistants (Google, Amazon, soon Microsoft) are not on sale in Italy, hence I have less super fancy stuff to care about 🙂 . Which is also the bad. 😞 Saw some hints on Sonos working on this space, but not saw anything official yet, if I checked properly.
Well thanks for the quick answers i think i will have to show some patience... 😕
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Yea dot is of no use to you currently with a play:1. That will change first half of this year with Alexa support coming. Right now a dot can be hooked into a Sonos with input to give you support (I have done with my play:5 in past).
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Very Helpful article I found - http://www.sam-mallery.com/2016/12/5-tips-for-using-amazon-echo-dot-with-sonos/
Sigh.
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There seems to be a surprising number of Sonos-friendly trolls on this and similar threads. I wonder why...

But quite apart from questioning your motives, jgatie, (and I do), your comment reflects _exactly_ the kind of misguided thinking that appears to be leading Sonos astray. So let me spell it out:

1/ I emphatically *don't want* Sonos software to be searching multiple music sources, shuffling, doing queueing, or anything of the kind. Those problems have been solved (very well, I might add) by Spotify, Amazon, Apple Music, Pandora etc. etc. In fact, I'd really rather Sonos stopped designing user-facing music management software at all, because the results are ample proof that they suck at it.
Well I do want this. I don't want to rely on a paid music service when i have my own store of 400 plus CDs ripped


2/ What I would really welcome (like a majority of people on the thread, I suspect) would be the ability to use the Sonos system as a *sound output device* for whatever system I'm using. If you can do a device-independent service integration like with Spotify then great (although usability is fairly poor tbh). However, I for one would be perfectly happy if you just __finally__ let me stream sound from whatever device I'm using to the Sonos system. And yes I know that will have implications for device battery life, but I'd appreciate if that were my choice. Note that solves the Alexa integration, AppleTV integration, browser streaming question and all the rest of it in one go.

How do you know what the majority want? Have you done a survey/run a customer focus group/analyse usage stats? I want a bit more that just telling Alexa to stream what is playing to my Sonos


3/ Crossfade, volume controls per room etc. are already built into Sonos control software, so I don't see how they're relevant to the development effort for new features.
Well maybe there is work to voice enable these things? I just guessing here but I doubt it is that simple and does require development


4/ "An infrastructure that has never had to interact with other IOT devices" - unlike home appliance manufacturers? That's just silly.

TL;DR: Sonos should stop trying to develop music management software and instead focus a thin layer of communication protocols that can register the speakers / rooms on my network and stream sound from whatever device I happen to be using.

Edits: Minor edits for clarity, typo.


Please don't assume you speak for the majority. I for one want all of what you have dismissed.
Thank you, bockersjv. Could not have said it better. I have many music services that have no presence on the Amazon Echo. I prefer to be able to use them in a coordinated, fully integrated Voice Control system with a universal UI, just like I do with the Sonos app. The last thing I want is for Sonos to become a glorified Bluetooth speaker for third party hardware and/or apps.
Hahaha! This is actually hilarious!

@jgatie, @bockersvj, @Kumar: If you're claiming to be users (as opposed to paid employees), then you really need to get better at pretending (13.5k posts and the corporate-speak are a bit of a giveaway). Else, you should really learn a bit about software interfaces (@bockersvj, the 'voice enable' comment was hilarious), and you probably shouldn't be baiting customers in an online forum (but go ahead and check with marketing if you're not sure :D).

To clarify one point: I never claimed to _know_ what the majority of other customers want, I said I _suspect_ other customers _on this thread_ might want something similar to what I do. And if you do want numbers, 220k Google hits on "Sonos stream from browser" is a pretty good indication that I'm not entirely alone in this.

Anyway, continuing this discussion with a bunch of apologists is evidently a waste of time: it's quite apparent you're entirely uninterested in giving Sonos feedback on how to improve, but instead are uniquely (and inexplicably) intent on justifying why the status quo is just fine.

I'm going to get on with my life now, but I might pop back every now and again.
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Those who are losing an argument are always the first to resort to personal insults.
I might pop back
Sigh.
Those who are losing an argument are always the first to resort to personal insults.

Quite so.
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There seems to be a surprising number of Sonos-friendly trolls on this and similar threads. I wonder why...

But quite apart from questioning your motives, jgatie, (and I do), your comment reflects _exactly_ the kind of misguided thinking that appears to be leading Sonos astray. So let me spell it out:

1/ I emphatically *don't want* Sonos software to be searching multiple music sources, shuffling, doing queueing, or anything of the kind. Those problems have been solved (very well, I might add) by Spotify, Amazon, Apple Music, Pandora etc. etc. In fact, I'd really rather Sonos stopped designing user-facing music management software at all, because the results are ample proof that they suck at it.

2/ What I would really welcome (like a majority of people on the thread, I suspect) would be the ability to use the Sonos system as a *sound output device* for whatever system I'm using. If you can do a device-independent service integration like with Spotify then great (although usability is fairly poor tbh). However, I for one would be perfectly happy if you just __finally__ let me stream sound from whatever device I'm using to the Sonos system. And yes I know that will have implications for device battery life, but I'd appreciate if that were my choice. Note that solves the Alexa integration, AppleTV integration, browser streaming question and all the rest of it in one go.

3/ Crossfade, volume controls per room etc. are already built into Sonos control software, so I don't see how they're relevant to the development effort for new features.

4/ "An infrastructure that has never had to interact with other IOT devices" - unlike home appliance manufacturers? That's just silly.

TL;DR: Sonos should stop trying to develop music management software and instead focus a thin layer of communication protocols that can register the speakers / rooms on my network and stream sound from whatever device I happen to be using.

Edits: Minor edits for clarity, typo.


Hi lez,

Thanks for the suggestions. We can't comment on possible future products or features but we'll send along your feedback and suggestions.

Please note that Sonos employees are marked as such. Also, please refrain from personal attacks as this violates our community guidelines.
Sonos has stated the following (emphasis mine):

These new voice capabilities will be delivered in a software update that will work with new and previously purchased Sonos and Alexa-enabled devices such as Amazon Echo, Echo Dot, Amazon Tap, and Amazon Fire TV.


http://press-us.sonos.com/134980-sonos-with-partners-and-industry-leaders-ushers-in-new-era-of-connected-home-listening

So the Voice Control capabilities are going to be compatible will all Sonos/Alexa units past and present, and you can be sure that if you buy a Sonos/Alexa device now, it will work with the new implementation.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Sonos. Echo integration has been "coming" for over a year now. If you are a little bit technical minded there is a great, working solution available for free today : https://github.com/rgraciano/echo-sonos
Over a year now?

False. It was announced August 30, 2016.

http://press-us.sonos.com/134980-sonos-with-partners-and-industry-leaders-ushers-in-new-era-of-connected-home-listening

Nice Spam, though.
It was over a year since it was reported in the technology press with a link and mention to Sonos.
Even so its now Jul 11 2017. Your link is for Aug 30 2016. So i'll correct myself and say its been "officially almost a year". Happy?

Can you please explain why its spam to provide a fully free, non-advertised open source developed solution that has been filling the capability gap and might actually help people ?
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Can you please explain why its spam to provide a fully free, non-advertised open source developed solution that has been filling the capability gap and might actually help people ?

It looks like Spam, smells like Spam and it tastes like. So it's Spam.

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