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ratty

Just obtain an undoctored dump of the full Sonos System Info in Settings/System/About My System. We can soon put this ludicrous rumour out of its misery. 

J

Hilarious.  Every crazy rumour there has ever been has resulted from someone who heard it from someone they trusted, who heard it from someone they trusted…

The only things missing are names, plausibility and even a tiny scrap of evidence. 

jgatie

Thanks for the response - and that was pretty much what I was expecting to be told. If what I heard was true though, with no disrespect intended, it’s unlikely to have come from Support - probably a few rungs further up the management ladder. I of course don’t expect Sonos to talk about this, but wondered if anyone in the community would care to comment?

 

I’ll comment.  S2 cannot run on S1 devices.  Period.  It is too big for the hardware.  Also, new (post split) devices cannot run on S1 because in order to be recognized by the S1 system, a device needs to be defined in the S1 software.  Since S2 only devices didn’t exist at the time S1 was frozen, there is no way to define them in S1 without running into the hardware limitations cited above.

So, Sonos not only won’t upgrade S1 devices to S2, they physically can’t upgrade them to S2.  Nor can they combine new S2 only devices with S1.

R
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I’m not arguing that old gear can do as much as new gear. All I’m saying is that I heard via a friend that someone’s got a big house, with lots of Sonos (“something in pretty much every room”). When the whole S1/S2 thing happened, the owner “kicked off” at Sonos, who eventually relented and somehow enabled S2 on the (otherwise mixed) system.

I have no idea what it looks like, other than the owner says they’ve got S2, even though some of their gear is old. I’m looking forward to an opportunity to see for myself, and ideally find out what is and is not possible with it. Maybe something for the future.

As for an “unsubstantiated rumour” - I heard it from someone I trust, who presumably was talking about someone they trust. Whilst I wouldn’t say it has “no provenance”, I can’t verify it, that’s true - hence I came here, and asked the question. I was only asking, I wasn’t looking to start some sort of flamewar or even to dredge up the whole S1/S2 debacle all over again.

J

@Ralph Bolton .  Please explain why it is so implausible that the capabilities of the Sonos system have increased so much since the early years - and are planned to increase yet further - that the oldest devices simply cannot keep up.  The only devices that have been limited to S1 had 32MB of RAM, vastly less than the latest products.  Why would you choose instead to believe an unsubstantiated rumour with no provenance whatsoever?

Also, please could you explain precisely what you mean by “technically, S2 is possible on S1 hardware”?  What does that look like? 

melvimbe

My guess would be that this rumor actually has some basis in fact, but as it was passed on from person to person, it got twisted into something that’s wholly incorrect.

There are several Sonos speakers that are capable of running on both S1 and S2 systems.  To name a few, play:1, Sonos One, playbar, play:5, play3, etc.  So yes, these speaker can be running on an S1 system, and then upgraded to run on a S2 system.  This is not a secret at all.  There are also some speakers that are only capable of running on S1, such as the old ZP devices and Connect and Connent:Amp made before a certain date (the exact date, I don’t recall).  There is no way that these legacy devices can operate in an S2 system.  Of course, Sonos newest products are S2 only.  

It’s entirely possible that someone alone the chain of this rumor misunderstood how it works, and possible little understanding of Sonos products at all and started claiming that any device can run on S2….that’s how they interpreted what they were told.  Indeed, there really isn’t any such thing S1 or S2 hardware, as S1/S2 designates the operating system, not hardware classification.  I don’t think there is any official hardware classifications that Sonos has made, as each product has different hardware with different capabilities, depending on it’s function and the price/availability of hardware at the time the product was released.  The closest I’ve heard is referring to S1 only devices as ‘legacy’ while everything else is ‘modern’.

 

Danny
ratty

If what I heard was true though, with no disrespect intended, it’s unlikely to have come from Support - probably a few rungs further up the management ladder. I of course don’t expect Sonos to talk about this, but wondered if anyone in the community would care to comment?

I’m sorry to say that this sounds like the kind of conspiracy theory which abounds in darker corners of the internet. Its genesis is obviously the suspicion that Sonos management deliberately crippled the legacy units by not extending S2 to them when they could have, so as to force users to upgrade.

Such theories typically germinate and are nurtured in complete ignorance of engineering, or even of the basic laws of physics.

controlav
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ratty has already responded correctly, there is simply neither enough memory or CPU capabilities in the ‘legacy’ devices to run S2, no matter what your friend told you. 


Graphic showing difference between S1 and S2 hardware: https://www.facebook.com/Phonos.application/photos/a.915560425121335/3373638859313467/

 

Author of the leading independent Sonos app for Windows, the only Sonos app for Xbox, and a Sonos app for iOS
Airgetlam

ratty has already responded correctly, there is simply neither enough memory or CPU capabilities in the ‘legacy’ devices to run S2, no matter what your friend told you. 

Bruce
controlav
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Not everything on the internet is true...

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R
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Thanks for the response - and that was pretty much what I was expecting to be told. If what I heard was true though, with no disrespect intended, it’s unlikely to have come from Support - probably a few rungs further up the management ladder. I of course don’t expect Sonos to talk about this, but wondered if anyone in the community would care to comment?

ratty

I also heard from a friend that the moon landings were all faked. (Just kidding.)

 

S2 isn’t wildly different from S1 anyway

It already is, and will increasingly diverge. The key point is that S2 simply won’t fit on legacy devices. Their memory is too small.

James L.
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Hi @Ralph Bolton,

 

No, that’s not how this works.

If a player is not able to update to S2 via normal means (i.e. through the Sonos app) then we cannot make it update for you. 

You’ve received wrong information, and no one in our support team will perform such an upgrade for you, regardless of the size of the system or how much fuss you make.

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