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Contributor I
May 2, 2024 10:24 PM UTC
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Looks like we may lose our networked libraries with next big update? NAS drive?

I could be wrong on this but maybe someone on this list can answer it. You will need to know some basic info on my SONOS system so I posted below..

I mostly use my personal music library that is located on a solid state drive via my ethernet wifi connected network. I have a Apple Ethernet-wi-fi router that has an USB input on it. My SS drive with over 39,000 tracks on it (also my Apple itunes AKA Music drive) is connected to that same router. My SONOS components grab my music from that SS drive.

 With this upcoming software update it sounds like I (anyone with a similar hook up) will lose access to their connected drives??? I will lose of all my own paid for music on that drive. So one questions since I’m not quite a computer nut is… Is the way I have my SS drive connected to the router via USB considered a NAS drive?? Will I lose access to that drive if I do the update? 

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    Ken_Griffiths
    Ken_GriffithsAnswer
    May 2, 2024 11:53 PM UTC

    From the various announcements/accounts/posts/articles that I’ve read online, it seems to me that in general terms, as long as the local library is being shared over the LAN using the SMB v2 (or higher) protocol, the local library tracks will still be accessible/playable in the new Sonos App, post May 7th.

    My own NAS box shares supports those versions of the protocol, so I’m not expecting too much to change, but it seems the local library is not going to be searchable within the new App, (I’m presuming it’s going to be like the ‘new’ search in the current S2 App, but with no option to switch to the ‘classic’ search).

    I’m slightly disappointed by not having the option to search my local NAS library, but presume I will still be able to playback from the library using my own .m3u playlists and be able to browse the library by Artist, Album etc. in which case, the changes will not affect me too much.

    I do currently have the Plex/iBroadcast services too and my local library has been uploaded to Apple iCloud - so I think I should have plenty of options to playback ALL, one way, or another.

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    Ken_s
    Lyricist III
    May 9, 2024 7:35 PM UTC

    When is this being fixed?  I can’t imagine the inability to search files the app can see on a persons LAN is intended? 

    It's mad, did Sonos really think people didn't use local libraries?

    I have read elsewhere the "feature" will be added in future updates. Infuriating as it was already there!!

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      set2explode
      Contributor I
      May 10, 2024 12:48 AM UTC

      So the following note has been added to the SONOS support topic Use a NAS drive with Sonos. 

      Sonos app version 80.0

      This setting is not currently available in the Sonos app for iOS or Android, but it will return in a future update.

      They are forcing the update, and there's no Music Library option in the system menu anymore. 

      This is very frustrating. Very sloppy software development. Is complaining to support my only option to get this enabled again? 

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        Ken_Griffiths
        Ken_Griffiths
        May 10, 2024 1:18 AM UTC

        So the following note has been added to the SONOS support topic Use a NAS drive with Sonos. 

        Sonos app version 80.0

        This setting is not currently available in the Sonos app for iOS or Android, but it will return in a future update.

        They are forcing the update, and there's no Music Library option in the system menu anymore. 

        This is very frustrating. Very sloppy software development. Is complaining to support my only option to get this enabled again? 

        It’s because that prior to the new App launch, Sonos announced that the (considered) insecure ‘http’ (sonoslibrary service) and SMB v1 protocols were to be removed from the new App. Only SMB v2 (or higher) is supported, going forward. In accordance with that indexing/updates have been removed to cater for those changes but will be restored to the App at a later stage. 

        The other ‘local-library’ gripe surrounds the fact that the previous software (Sonos S2 App) had two different search features. The ‘Classic Search’ and the ‘New Sonos Search’. The local library search was in the older ‘Classic Search’ and the new Sonos App only contains the ‘New Sonos Search’ feature, so that’s why it’s not available.

        It’s not yet clear either, if Sonos plan to add the library search to their latest App, as their development roadmap has not made that clear. It’s a case of waiting to see what happens.

        In the case of my own local library I mostly use my own stored .m3u playlists, or I browse my library either by Artist and/or Album, so it’s not causing me too much difficulty. 

        I also use Plex, iBroadcast and Emby services for my library with my Sonos speakers.

        Other options are to maybe use 3rd party Apps (I use MusicStreamer on iOS, for example) with search functionality that supports either Airplay, Bluetooth or DLNA compatible protocols.

        HTH. 👍

         

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          Fred Farkel
          Lyricist I
          May 10, 2024 3:37 AM UTC

          Three things have been lost local access to my mapped drives from an iTunes library. Secondly the alarms containing music from my iTunes library. Number three true play tuning which requires an iPhone. Clearly this is all under the pseudo double talk of technology and security issues when it all reflects sonos's failure to negotiate a new contract with Apple over licensing. The easiest way for Sonos to approach this was to break all internal Apple licensed pieces. Sadly this affects all Sonos users as these were all key elements that the user Community relied on. This is not a technical issue but a licensing issue between Sonos and Apple. I would await Sonos technical support to prove me wrong. Regards Peter beta tester

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          Ken_s
          Lyricist III
          May 10, 2024 5:56 AM UTC

          So the following note has been added to the SONOS support topic Use a NAS drive with Sonos. 

          Sonos app version 80.0

          This setting is not currently available in the Sonos app for iOS or Android, but it will return in a future update.

          They are forcing the update, and there's no Music Library option in the system menu anymore. 

          This is very frustrating. Very sloppy software development. Is complaining to support my only option to get this enabled again? 

          It’s because that prior to the new App launch, Sonos announced that the (considered) insecure ‘http’ (sonoslibrary service) and SMB v1 protocols were to be removed from the new App. Only SMB v2 (or higher) is supported, going forward. In accordance with that indexing/updates have been removed to cater for those changes but will be restored to the App at a later stage. 

          The other ‘local-library’ gripe surrounds the fact that the previous software (Sonos S2 App) had two different search features. The ‘Classic Search’ and the ‘New Sonos Search’. The local library search was in the older ‘Classic Search’ and the new Sonos App only contains the ‘New Sonos Search’ feature, so that’s why it’s not available.

          It’s not yet clear either, if Sonos plan to add the library search to their latest App, as their development roadmap has not made that clear. It’s a case of waiting to see what happens.

          In the case of my own local library I mostly use my own stored .m3u playlists, or I browse my library either by Artist and/or Album, so it’s not causing me too much difficulty. 

          I also use Plex, iBroadcast and Emby services for my library with my Sonos speakers.

          Other options are to maybe use 3rd party Apps (I use MusicStreamer on iOS, for example) with search functionality that supports either Airplay, Bluetooth or DLNA compatible protocols.

          HTH. 👍

           

          SMBv1 has been deprecated for years. However my NAS runs SMBv3 and I have lost access to everything. Worked just fine in the last version of the app so I have rolled back to that.

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            busywait
            Enthusiast I
            May 10, 2024 7:48 AM UTC

            It’s because that prior to the new App launch, Sonos announced that the (considered) insecure ‘http’ (sonoslibrary service) and SMB v1 protocols were to be removed from the new App. 

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            I also use Plex, iBroadcast and Emby services for my library with my Sonos speakers.

            Other options are to maybe use 3rd party Apps (I use MusicStreamer on iOS, for example) with search functionality that supports either Airplay, Bluetooth or DLNA compatible protocols.

            Thanks for you posts that have helped me understand the consequences of Sonos's statement. I use Twonky as a UPNP music server (with the Sonos Support option ticked), and my library disappeared from the new Sonos app. I guess this was because it uses "insecure http"?

            If the app can't browse my local music library no problem, I can use other software that supports UPnP to browse the library and send the music to Sonos - for now.

            Does it seem very likely that a future firmware update for my speaker will remove the equally "insecure http" UPnP renderer API, so that only Sonos approved apps will be able to stream music to the speaker?

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            Mike_75
            Lyricist III
            May 10, 2024 8:48 AM UTC

            I should not expect to have to load an old version of the app to continue to play my own music on my Sonos.

            The app should already have the ability to search and play music on my NAS, without this my Sonos would be rendered useless as I don't use paid content services. Very poor service on behalf of the Sonos development team/management.

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              Dandyhorse
              Trending Lyricist I
              May 10, 2024 12:06 PM UTC

              I am really mad about losing the NAS functionality. Thousands of euros worth of SONOS audio equipment have become worthless overnight. This is a criminal act and saying this is for security reasons is nonsense. The thousand of files on my NAS are all lossless. I will and cannot listen to that inferior rubbish on Spotify. Add this functionality again or reimburse me for the now worthless SONOS equipment.

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                Ken_Griffiths
                Ken_Griffiths
                May 10, 2024 12:17 PM UTC

                I am really mad about losing the NAS functionality. Thousands of euros worth of SONOS audio equipment have become worthless overnight. This is a criminal act and saying this is for security reasons is nonsense. The thousand of files on my NAS are all lossless. I will and cannot listen to that inferior rubbish on Spotify. Add this functionality again or reimburse me for the now worthless SONOS equipment.

                NAS functionality is still in the new App - I can see my local library. Screenshot attached. 
                It’s also available via the Web App interface too.

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                  Dandyhorse
                  Trending Lyricist I
                  May 10, 2024 12:27 PM UTC

                  Thanks Ken. Really appreciate it. The ease-of-use sucks even more, but at least it's there.

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