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Yes, You Can Invest In Sonos Today

  • August 18, 2024
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press250
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  • Prodigy III
  • August 21, 2024

Hi @Ian_S and @Kumar, I think the two of you are in violent agreement? While some of the current issues might be resolved in an “all wired Ethernet” setup, certainly other issues would remain.


AjTrek1
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  • August 21, 2024

Just as an aside note which takes a slightly different turn in this thread….

I’ve seen many posts in this community wherein the OP states up front

  • “It’s not my network as I have good internet”

I’d suspect that most in this thread know that statement bluntly indicates that the OP doesn’t know the difference between what their ISP provides coming into their home as internet access; and how that is handled by their router which comprises their internal network.

Most ISP’s are leading with one (1) Gigabit upload/download service plans into an OP’s home (although lessor plans are available). What the OP doesn’t understand is that their router may not be capable of providing 1 Gigabit upload/download over Wi-Fi. They don’t realize that the 1 Gigabit is only guaranteed for devices wired to their router.

One (1) Gigabit upload/download may only translate to 940/940 upload/download which is very good in an ideal situation. I’d suspect that most are getting less which is probably closer to 850/850 upload/download in an ideal situation; and that’s just what the router can muster with no outside/internal interference. Factor in interference from any source and then add “chatty” Sonos to that mix...well you know what can occur.

It difficult (and sometimes impossible) to explain the difference between their internet service upload/download at speed “X” vs what their router is capable of delivering. However, c’est la vie!


Stanley_4
  • Grand Maestro
  • August 21, 2024

Looking at all the above, maybe using an additional access point (not a router) might be useful. A shiny new one with all the latest features with all your new devices connected to it using one SSID and a second one on a different SSID, either just an older one from the junk box or a new one with any Sonos conflicting features disabled for Sonos devices. Kind of like I’m currently doing by using Sonosnet for my Sonos data and my v6 AP for everything else.

The different SSIDs are not an issue in themselves but you need to insure your router blends them into a single local LAN with no filtering between them or the wired connections.

Many should be able to try the junk box approach. If you have an old, discarded WiFi router, many of them can be switched from router mode to Access Point mode, Some by simply connecting the incoming Ethernet to a LAN port instead of the WAN port and disabling the DHCP server. 

 

Once the current app update mess stabilizes I will be moving off Sonosnet, by un-wiring my several connected devices and transitioning to WiFi. I will be using the dual AP / SSID option for that here. I’m not happy to be leaving Sonosnet / wired connections and umping a lot of unwanted traffic on my overcrowded air waves, but it really looks like Sonos over WiFi is the only long-term viable option and I’m not getting any younger or sharper so I want to fight the glitches before I get older.

On the plus side I’ll get a lot of new and improved features and hopefully more capable inter-Sonos communication using the new WiFi compared to the old Sonosnet.

I also sent Sonos a suggestion to add the option to a wired to Ethernet Sonos device that would allow you to disable just the Sonosnet functions while keeping the radio (including the HT 5 GHz link) active. Seems like a simple thing to do but behind the scenes it might be far more complicated.


almazri
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  • Prodigy I
  • August 21, 2024

 

​​​I’d suspect that most in this thread know that statement bluntly indicates that the OP doesn’t know the difference between what their ISP provides coming into their home as internet access; and how that is handled by their router which comprises their internal network.


No I dont automatically assume this. Why is it that you think so? 


melvimbe
  • August 21, 2024

Just as an aside note which takes a slightly different turn in this thread….

I’ve seen many posts in this community wherein the OP states up front

  • “It’s not my network as I have good internet”

I’d suspect that most in this thread know that statement bluntly indicates that the OP doesn’t know the difference between what their ISP provides coming into their home as internet access; and how that is handled by their router which comprises their internal network.

Most ISP’s are leading with one (1) Gigabit upload/download service plans into an OP’s home (although lessor plans are available). What the OP doesn’t understand is that their router may not be capable of providing 1 Gigabit upload/download over Wi-Fi. They don’t realize that the 1 Gigabit is only guaranteed for devices wired to their router.

One (1) Gigabit upload/download may only translate to 940/940 upload/download which is very good in an ideal situation. I’d suspect that most are getting less which is probably closer to 850/850 upload/download in an ideal situation; and that’s just what the router can muster with no outside/internal interference. Factor in interference from any source and then add “chatty” Sonos to that mix...well you know what can occur.

It difficult (and sometimes impossible) to explain the difference between their internet service upload/download at speed “X” vs what their router is capable of delivering. However, c’est la vie!

 

This is true, but there is also the common comment that “none of my other internet devices have issues”.  If you have no problem streaming 4k video, why do the interment speakers have issues?  Streaming video to a single source will use a rather larger buffer so that it can more seamlessly deal with any slow down or interruption in the data coming in.  Sonos does not build up that larger buffer, partially because some sources, like TV and aux input, are expected to play near immediately and thus no time to build up a buffer.  The other reason is that Sonos needs to be able to group/ungroup different rooms on the fly, which means large buffers can’t be built up on each device. As a counter example, Amazon echo devices do not have TV/aux input sources for group playback, and grouping cannot be changed midstream.


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  • Prodigy III
  • August 21, 2024

Depends on your view of flawlessly I guess!! Given that we’re still in the dark as to what is at the core of all the new problems it’s impossible to know or say if an all wired solution would be ok… not possible though if you have a TV surround setup though, or portables, or Era’s without dongles… 

Why do you say it's not possible on a TV surround setup? One can wire their soundbar, surrounds and subs. They can also wire the soundbar (which won't connect to a 5Ghz Wi-Fi), turn its Wi-Fi off and connect surrounds and sub to their 5Ghz Wi-Fi. My setup is like that and works fine (WM:3 for the surrounds).


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  • Local Superstar
  • August 21, 2024

 

The other reason is that Sonos needs to be able to group/ungroup different rooms on the fly, which means large buffers can’t be built up on each device.

Why does grouping or ungrouping preclude building up a large buffer? It can use it or empty it instantly if needed?

I did a test some time back and unplugged my NAS and the track played on until the end, a good few minutes later.