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and vinyl sounds better than digital even on an apples to apples basis.
YMMV.

I also believe that vinyl CAN sound better than digital, but due to unlimited variations in production/asssmbly/playback of vinyl records and the very action of capturing those recordings on digital media alters it, apples to apples is pretty impossible.
I’m a digital guy these days. Do I still want and expect good audio quality during my listening experience? That is activity dependent.
I listen to music in the background during day to day activities and while choring around the house and yard. In these cases I don’t care about quality. I listen to music while entertaining guests behind conversation. In these cases I want good quality, but it doesn’t have to be class. I sometimes drink alcohol to the point of being dangerous on two legs, and in this case I want extreme audio quality, and have found that I can be detrimental to any media that needs physical handling and changing. My system satisfies my want for a high quality listening experience and my need to stay away from expensive audio equipment and media.

I also believe that vinyl CAN sound better than digital, but due to unlimited variations in production/asssmbly/playback of vinyl records
Leaving completely aside the fact that the second part of the quote means that a vinyl record cannot consistently and sustainably sound better than digital in practice in real world use, and assuming the benefit of an ideal laboratory use case in a clean room with a virgin groove being played with a state of the art turntable with a brand new cartridge that is perfectly installed - why can it sound better than digital? Or, in what circumstances?

It goes without saying that this should be in a blind test, where the listener is completely ignorant of whether what is playing is vinyl or digital.

While waiting for a response, just for fun, I entered this in Google search: does vinyl really sound better

The returned search page leads with a site saying yes, and gives the reason for this to based on the common, but comprehensive misunderstanding of digital sound - the famous jagged sound waves that are alleged to drive digital sound.

Hilarious.

if interested, the first returned result I refer to above: https://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question487.htm

Apologies to the OP for off topic though; hopefully your requirement from the thread have been met, till you ask more questions.

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why can it sound better than digital? Or, in what circumstances?
It’s not about vinyl’s potential to sound better, it’s about digital’s inability to reach the potential quality of vinyl. You know this, but if we are not boring any other readers to death, the very action of capturing music digitally alters it and adds noise during the decodeing process. Once you Take live music and store it digitally, that live music is destroyed forever. Taking a string instrument or a human voice, turning that into a bit representation, compressing the resultant bits and dropping off what the codec designers deem unimportant changes it.
A true anologue recording is an exact duplication of the resonance image. An exact laboratory anologue vinyl impression is a true copy, not a reproduction or a digital representation. Even an uncompressed digital file has been altered by being converted to bits, and all digital equipment uses sampling and correction to reassemble the information. Everything including subsonic and supersonic sounds are present on an anologue recording.
Digital can sound amazing, and in many cases better than a vinyl record, but digital is never ever an exact representation of what the artist and mastering engineer intended if mastered anologue.

I forgot to address the question specifically. In the case where the masters were recorded on anoloque especially direct to lacquer, a digital file, even uncompressed, will not sound as good using the same playback amplification and loud speakers.

Digital was invented to circumvent the many limitations of vinyl and it does that successfully. And may I suggest more reading into the science of digital audio, and not articles on it by the Fremers of this world. Much of what you say about digital audio including this little bit as one example: " take live music, and store it digitally, that live music is destroyed forever" is just flat out wrong.

Digital was invented to circumvent the many limitations of vinyl and it does that successfully. And may I suggest more reading into the science of digital audio, and not articles on it by the Fremers of this world. Much of what you say about digital audio including this little bit as one example: " take live music, and store it digitally, that live music is destroyed forever" is just flat out wrong.
Well that’s like, your opinion man..

Think of vinyl as an image of a house on a lake.
If that’s the case, a digital file is a box of puzzle pieces, and a compressed digital file is that same box with lots and lots of pieces missing.
Even when assembled by the worlds best and fastest puzzle assemblers, the end result resembles the image but looks like an assembled puzzle.

I studied digital capture and playback to at least better than average knowledge, I know how it works amd I understand decoding. I also have ears and have experience with technology. I played albums because that was the only format. I’ve seen them all come and go, and I’ve adopted most of them for their brief lifespans.
My opinion is based on science. Vinyl has the potential to sound better than digital.

Here is a possible way forward, if you want to pursue it.

Take a look at the link I posted - https://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question487.htm

If you agree with what the article explains about the stepped waves in digital audio, and with the rest of it that flows from this thinking, then there is way to discuss this further. The article is flat out wrong and I believe Sony has been successfully sued for claiming similar in their advertising. And there is a basis then to discuss further.

But if you agree that the article is completely wrong, but still hold to the rest of your views of digital audio even so, it is best to end this discussion here.

Take a look at the link I posted - https://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question487.htm

But if you agree that the article is completely wrong, but still hold to the rest of your views of digital audio even so, it is best to end this discussion here.

I read that when you first posted and I’ve read others like it and no, I do not agree with it at all. I’ve explained twice why I have my opinion.