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Travelling on vacation in a couple of weeks.  Shopping for a new travel speaker.  I looked at the Roam, but as I’m still on S1 due to my refusal to upgrade (only my bridge would die) because I refuse to go back to the problematic wi-fi issues I had before I moved to Sonosnet, and I also cannot have a speaker jacked directly in to my router.  So the Roam is a no go for me.  Same applies really for the soundbar upgrade I’m looking at.  

 

I was disappointed when Sonos split the tech stack and remain so.  Still, it’s been the kick up the arse I needed to move away from one manufacturer. 

 

What makes you think upgrading to S2 means you can’t use Sonosnet? 

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Travelling on vacation in a couple of weeks.  Shopping for a new travel speaker.  I looked at the Roam, but as I’m still on S1 due to my refusal to upgrade (only my bridge would die) because I refuse to go back to the problematic wi-fi issues I had before I moved to Sonosnet, and I also cannot have a speaker jacked directly in to my router.  So the Roam is a no go for me.  Same applies really for the soundbar upgrade I’m looking at.  

 

I was disappointed when Sonos split the tech stack and remain so.  Still, it’s been the kick up the arse I needed to move away from one manufacturer. 

 

What makes you think upgrading to S2 means you can’t use Sonosnet? 

A device needs to be connected directly to the router right?  Which is the solution Support gave me for my connectivity issues several years ago.  So I either replace the bridge (spend more money unnecessarily) or plug a speaker in directly (a complete waste of a speaker given the location).  So….

A device needs to be connected directly to the router right?  Which is the solution Support gave me for my connectivity issues several years ago.  So I either replace the bridge (spend more money unnecessarily) or plug a speaker in directly (a complete waste of a speaker given the location).  So….

 

So . . . for the price of a Boost, you are crippling your use of all your other devices, and also eliminating the ability to purchase a new device which you seem to like if it weren’t S2 only?

Makes me think of a nose, spite, and a face.

Also, what other manufacturer are you moving to that has eliminated the possibility that in 12-15 years after launch, they would have to split the line?  Be careful what you answer, for some well known speakers makers are known for far more egregious moves than Sonos’ when their lineup can’t keep up with growing technology.  We are talking eliminating an entire line of speakers that were sold right up to the day they were abandoned, and coming out with an entirely new line which is incompatible with the old.

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A device needs to be connected directly to the router right?  Which is the solution Support gave me for my connectivity issues several years ago.  So I either replace the bridge (spend more money unnecessarily) or plug a speaker in directly (a complete waste of a speaker given the location).  So….

 

So . . . for the price of a Boost, you are crippling your use of all your other devices, and also eliminating the ability to purchase a new device which you seem to like if it weren’t S2 only?

Makes me think of a nose, spite, and a face.

Also, what other manufacturer are you moving to that has eliminated the possibility that in 12-15 years after launch, they would have to split the line?  Be careful what you answer, for some well known speakers makers are known for far more egregious moves than when their lineup can’t keep up with growing technology.  We are talking eliminating an entire line of speakers that were sold right up to the day they were abandoned, and coming out with an entirely new line which is incompatible with the old.

Yes, I’m refusing to pay more money for exactly the same level of service so I can spend more money to buy more of their kit.

 

As it stands, I’ll replace my TV rig with a dedicated TV set up when the time comes, my music setup - getting replaced with a dedicated Amp/Speakers that don’t obsolete - wired they may be, but so be it. 

Brought one Home from the store Yesterday. My setup is $80pct S2 and $20pct S1.

Today I returned it.

The s1 s2 gap stops me buying any more sonos...  I have ten sonos components. Three only work with s1. 

 

I cancelled my roam order as s2 only. Sonos driver to a non customer....as  To replace 2 connects and 1 p5 would could me around £1200 for a £140 roam.  So in short as a big time sonos customer I can not longer add new products to my system and spend money with sonos.    so essentially now am no longer a sonos customer because sonos make it impossible with spending 1000s to get as is function I already have.   Suggest you review....

 

Exactly what do you expect them to do?  S1 only components do not have enough memory and/or storage to run S2, and S2 only components need S2 in order to run their new features, they simply cannot run S1.  There is nothing that can be done.

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The s1 s2 gap stops me buying any more sonos...  I have ten sonos components. Three only work with s1. 

 

I cancelled my roam order as s2 only. Sonos driver to a non customer....as  To replace 2 connects and 1 p5 would could me around £1200 for a £140 roam.  So in short as a big time sonos customer I can not longer add new products to my system and spend money with sonos.    so essentially now am no longer a sonos customer because sonos make it impossible with spending 1000s to get as is function I already have.   Suggest you review....

As I said before, If Sonos hadn’t made the S1 / S2 split they would not have been able to develop new products and features anyway.  So they still wouldn’t have been able to sell you anything more.  Sonos can’t change the S1 / S2 split, and they won’t.  The Roam cannot work on S1.

So now you don’t have a portable speaker, what are your plans?  Do without a portable speaker, which you apparently thought you needed a few days ago?  Or buy another brand of portable speaker?  One that won’t work with Sonos S1 or S2.  

 No you simply buy a Sonos move... 

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As above, what does the Roam do that the Move doesn't?.

 

 

Here’s one:

With an all-new feature called Sound Swap, you can hold the play/pause button on the speaker to switch the music to the nearest speaker on your system, making it easy to move music from room-to-room.

But that’s beside the point.  No company is going to continue to co-develop for two apps for devices that didn’t even exist when the old app was retired.  New devices require the new app.  Period. 

 

This already exists on the S1 controller that’s not special 

 

 

As above, what does the Roam do that the Move doesn't?.

 

 

Here’s one:

With an all-new feature called Sound Swap, you can hold the play/pause button on the speaker to switch the music to the nearest speaker on your system, making it easy to move music from room-to-room.

But that’s beside the point.  No company is going to continue to co-develop for two apps for devices that didn’t even exist when the old app was retired.  New devices require the new app.  Period. 

 

This already exists on the S1 controller that’s not special 

 

 

The sound swap feature of the Roam is not done through the controller.  

 

The Roam is only possible because Sonos development is no longer restricted by its oldest devices.

What does the roam do that my Sonos move can’t do? Other than fit in my pocket and produce half of the sound output?

 

Go back and read the first page of this thread to see that was already answered, if you’re actually interested.  

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In conclusion its time to return my Sonos roam I just preordered and sell the rest of my Sonos so I can move over to Apple homepods

 

 

You mean Homepod Minis - https://www.popsci.com/story/technology/apple-homepod-speaker-discontinued/

 

 

Id rather use my real audio equipment to listen to music at this point. I’m not going to be forced to do anything I don’t want to do in life, this isn’t jail, we have options. 

Last year Sonos have stated unambiguously that all new products introduced as of June 2020 would only be compatible with S2.

It is unfortunate that Sonos, like so many other electronics companies, has been hit by the world wide chip shortages, much less the whole slew of issues caused by the pandemic. I feel your pain.

Moore’s Law will take of that.

As above, what does the Roam do that the Move doesn't?.

 

Do you mean in addition to the things already mentioned by @melvimbe ?

Is it OK if I challenge this assumption, at least a little bit?

If Sonos was indeed concerned about their stock market price falling, wouldn’t they have completely abandon S1 as a concept, and force everyone to purchase new speakers? That would have surely generated much more revenue, supporting the stock price, if there was no longer any function for older speakers at all, and everyone was forced in to purchasing S2 capable speakers. 

I would think continuing to support S1 systems is counter profit oriented thinking. But I’m not a market analyst, just a user on a forum. 

 

Don’t forget, this is exactly what they tried to do. Initially, they came out and said that we with older equipment had to brick the equipment and then we would get 30% off of the new equipment. It was only when we all blew a fuse that they relented, and came up with this bogus S1/S2 idea. I have a lot of original Sonos gear 5 Play:5’s, a few Play:3’s and Play:1’s, a sound bar, and amps and connects. I can only use S1 for all my equipment, therefore I will not buy any new gear that requires S2. I have invested thousand in Sonos, but I will not buy any additional Sonos gear. When they finally drop support of S1, which I fully expect to happen, I will replace with other equipment. You can accomplish much of what you get from Sonos with other equipment these days, and for a lot less money.

Also, Sonos makes excellent hardware, but their software (apps) suck.

In addition, at some point, Sonos will come out with an S3 option, and pull this bogus concept again. I think many people who invested in S2 equipment will feel the same way we feel when this happens to them.

As above, what does the Roam do that the Move doesn't?.

 

Do you mean in addition to the things already mentioned by @melvimbe ?

 

Related to  what I already mention, the Roam can be on WiFi and bluetooth at the same time, while the Move cannot.  The Roam also got the ability to do trueplay tuning in bluetooth mode….which the Move also gained the ability to do….but only on S2, not S1.  See how confusing this could get when you different features for the same products on two different OSs? 

Moore’s Law will take of that.

 

Moore’s Law was stated in 1965.  So exactly what Law was Sonos acting under when it squeezed almost 20 years (2002 - 2020) out of the original Sonos devices?  In addition, Moore himself stated that the Law is not infinite. 

 

It appears to be a rather loose interpretation of Moore’s law, which most interpretation tend to be.  I’m not quite seeing how it would apply here though.  I guess the expectation is that S3 will happen in...10 years? If the law did apply though, I don’t know why that would be a fault of Sonos since Moore’s law is universal.

 

It appears to be a rather loose interpretation of Moore’s law, which most interpretation tend to be.  I’m not quite seeing how it would apply here though.  I guess the expectation is that S3 will happen in...10 years? If the law did apply though, I don’t know why that would be a fault of Sonos since Moore’s law is universal.

 

Yeah, I’m not getting the reference.  The power of a CPU in the future has no bearing on how long a CPU in the past can be made to run.  At least not implicitly. 

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In conclusion its time to return my Sonos roam I just preordered and sell the rest of my Sonos so I can move over to Apple homepods

 

 

You mean Homepod Minis - https://www.popsci.com/story/technology/apple-homepod-speaker-discontinued/

 

 

I have most things Apple and the homepod Mini’s are fairly decent for their price point, currently £90 each in John Lewis which would be a great pairing for £180 if you bought two for your home office. I guess you could use Airplay 2 instead of Sonos to merge your Sonos Speakers and the Homepods for listening to music but I have found Airplay 2 to be a little problematic at times.

 

The s1 s2 gap stops me buying any more sonos...  I have ten sonos components. Three only work with s1. 

 

I cancelled my roam order as s2 only. Sonos driver to a non customer....as  To replace 2 connects and 1 p5 would could me around £1200 for a £140 roam.  So in short as a big time sonos customer I can not longer add new products to my system and spend money with sonos.    so essentially now am no longer a sonos customer because sonos make it impossible with spending 1000s to get as is function I already have.   Suggest you review....

 

Exactly what do you expect them to do?  S1 only components do not have enough memory and/or storage to run S2, and S2 only components need S2 in order to run their new features, they simply cannot run S1.  There is nothing that can be done.

That's a cop out. There is plenty of “old” software in the computer world that will run on new hardware. Maybe some of us that have thousands of dollars invested are willing to forego any new features. It's very sad that Sonos has decided to abandon their oldest and most loyal customers.

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Can you not use both the S1 for older speakers and the S2 app just for the Roam? That’s what I’m doing while I still have a Gen 1 Sonos 5. 

The s1 s2 gap stops me buying any more sonos...  I have ten sonos components. Three only work with s1. 

 

I cancelled my roam order as s2 only. Sonos driver to a non customer....as  To replace 2 connects and 1 p5 would could me around £1200 for a £140 roam.  So in short as a big time sonos customer I can not longer add new products to my system and spend money with sonos.    so essentially now am no longer a sonos customer because sonos make it impossible with spending 1000s to get as is function I already have.   Suggest you review....

 

Exactly what do you expect them to do?  S1 only components do not have enough memory and/or storage to run S2, and S2 only components need S2 in order to run their new features, they simply cannot run S1.  There is nothing that can be done.

That's a cop out. There is plenty of “old” software in the computer world that will run on new hardware. Maybe some of us that have thousands of dollars invested are willing to forego any new features. It's very sad that Sonos has decided to abandon their oldest and most loyal customers.

Melodramatic, ill-informed nonsense

 

Bottom line is that Sonos really screwed people that bought a few years ago.

 

if you started buying into Sonos a few years ago, then all of your speakers would be S2 compatible and you wouldn’t have an issue.   

Also, it would not cost you 6k to replace 10 amps, since Sonos is offering 30% discounts for each of your older amps.  Your price per amp would be $455...under 5k when you add tax.   And you would then be able to sell you’re old amps for something possibly.  I’m not saying that’s cheap, just that you should have the discount if you were not aware.

 

Can you not use both the S1 for older speakers and the S2 app just for the Roam? That’s what I’m doing while I still have a Gen 1 Sonos 5. 

Yes, you can operate an S1 and S2 system in the same house.  However, you would not be able to group speakers/rooms from the 2 systems to play together.

The Roam is only possible because Sonos development is no longer restricted by its oldest devices.

Total rubbish.  It's because Sonos is worried about stock market price falling if users don't replace the components they've spent loads on.  It is straight forward to allow S1 components to run on S2 controller. Sonos chose not to allow this.

Well you seem to be an expert on Sonos technical matters as well as on their company strategy (with reference to the thread you have just started).

Thank you for sharing your expertise with everyone. I hope nobody is so foolish as to challenge your assertions.