non support of older sonos speakers
was reading about your new IPO and in the article it said you would no longer be supporting some of your older speakers in the near future, what speakers do they anticipate no longer supporting?
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Play:5 1st gen (aka S5)
Play:5 2nd gen
For example ZP100/ZP80 are no longer able to perform an incremental library index update themselves. If there are newer, more capable, devices in the system the controller will automatically use one of those to execute an incremental library scan. If there are no such devices present, ZP100/ZP80 will make a time-consuming full scan instead.
Obviously Airplay support can only be offered in the most recent devices (Playbase, One, Beam) due to its hardware platform requirements. The solution is to group older players with one of the Airplay targets.
I think we could see more of this 'load-sharing' going on within a heterogeneous Sonos system.
That's the way it is now. It is not out of the question that there will come a tipping point where the oldest devices just cannot keep up and they will be retired (as was done with the CR100). We are not there yet, and Sonos does its best to avoid it, but one cannot really expect 13+ year old electronics to stay viable forever.
Why not? If someone knocked on my door and explained that Sony had decided I had gotten enough value out of my plasma TV and they were here to take it" I'd feel 'robbed'. That TV's picture is every bit as good as my OLED. For a company to decide that I no longer get to use a product is wrong. And, please don't start the the 'A Sonos speaker is too complex to maintain' spew. They've introduced the complexity out of desire to change the nature of the product. Nor is the "That's the way modern products work" a defense. Intentionally obsoleting products is wrong.
I stocked up on Play 1s in anticipation of them going away but they haven't so far. My two ZP-80 still do everything I want and I'd sure hate to replace them with a Connect only to find they had a newer version in the works. Unless of course the new version has a mike, then I'd likely grab the newer Connects for insurance as my ZPs are really old.
But why disable a still working product? Give me a controller (app) that still works with my old gear and let me stay obsolete instead of killing my device entirely.
I won't be happy to see my ZP-80s drop out of support but they have given me a lot of years already and if Sonos has a rebate program similar to the one for the CR-100 I won't be really unhappy unless they have a mike in the new version.
I wasn't notified of the rebate by Sonos and I don't hang out on these forums very frequently.
From a microphone in a connect perspective, I have two connects and a connect:amp and none of them would benefit from a microphone - they are all hidden away. My answer for this is an Echo Dot. That can be placed conveniently and gives all required functionality for me.
Yes, I'll be unhappy when my old PLAY:5 gen 1 or PLAY:1s go out of date, much as I was when my iPhone originally went out of date. But Sonos continues to keep the longevity of their speakers much beyond what Apple does with their iPhones, so there's not a bunch I can complain about. They certainly don't force me to buy new speakers every other year (well, maybe slightly longer, but still).
Not looking forward to spending more money at some point, on the other hand, think of the features that might be part of a new software release that forces an older speaker out of the ecosystem. Might be interesting.
Yes, but they only go out of date more quickly because Sonos keep changing the software... If they didn't change anything then it should keep going until the hardware fails. They also do nothing to help you keep it static at a particular version. If Sonos made it easier to run at a particular build - and to stay there - then it wouldn't be as bad. It's worse for some of us because other than Trueplay nothing worthwhile has been added to the software for some time - and the quality of the IF has gone sadly down hill.
My phone is a computer and works fine - and will continue to work fine using the same software until something dies. If I try and run more memory/processor intensive software on it, then understandably it might have problems - but the phone manufacturer doesn't force me to run them. Whilst some would say that Sonos doesn't force you either, the fact that you can't add a new device to an old software build is the killer - eventually you'll be in trouble.
Since airplay2 has split the product line into ones that can handle it & those that can't, this is the first real time as voice could be overcome with Alexa devices.There may come a time when they will have to freeze old products on a classic version. They could still sell the matching version products from their website, but support would be a nightmare and need funding.
Or they could bring out a room device with a microphone and more processing power to "push" airplay2 and other coming developments to older stereo paired devices, priced a lot cheaper than a sonos one.
The other thing that gets overlooked is that Sonos is an integrated software and hardware environment in which speakers (old and new), controllers (on a variety of devices), networking and other third party devices have to work together. So please, no more 'my phone still works...' irrelevance.
Never mind those who want something shiny and new like Alexa and don't get it. Even the king of "static at a particular version", upstatemike seems to realize that the use case for someone who wants to stay static, and is willing to eventually lose all streaming capabilities, is slim to none, and slim left the building weeks ago.
Also, the very vocal CR100 thread had less than 500 unique posters (including those posting in the contrary), and I would guess the number of those who actually froze their system to be less than 200. With a couple million users out there, that's a use case of about 0.01%. No company is going to waste valuable resources on that kind of market, especially one which by giving them the option, they will never buy any more Sonos gear.
PS - And don't give me the disclaimer solution. The very notion that these folks want to remain where they are makes them the very first in line at the complaint desk when something doesn't work.