If this is true, I’m not sure what I think about it. I guess there is a market for lower-priced sound bars, and I’m sure the “Fury” would sound great in a small room. The article also mentions that it can be used as a surround speaker in its vertical orientation. That would make for a REALLY tall surround speaker at over 21” tall.
I was really hoping for a One or Three with an upward firing driver instead.
What are your thoughts?
No sign of it been shown vertically 
Yeah, which is why it will probably be fury. I quite like Sonos Ray.
Do I get a free one for getting it right. 
You get 15-30% off, if you own an existing older Sonos speaker. 
Well the ones will be placed elsewhere in the house if this is true. Based on the pictures I'm still not confident they will be able to be used as rears. Just the design, the size the shape... Even the badge would look odd when rotated unless it can also be moved. I'm trying to stay positive though and hope that these will be new upfiring Atmos rears. Sadly if it's not true then my Sonos days are over, as I just want that extra immersive experience which unfortunately the current rears can't provide.
With you on this one, do hope they can be used as rears..
All the articles I’ve read suggest that the Ray can be used as a surround speaker, but it implies you’d need two, as is normal with Sonos’ software.
Well I guess it cannot be 3 x ‘Ray’ to get atmos audio as optical does not support Atmos - so perhaps it’s a case that the two rear channels should be via another horizontally mounted Ray and that the speculation is a little off target?
I would love to get these to create 5.1.4 system but the Sonos Ray would have drivers angled downward and upward. That would seem a bit weird for Atmos content, right?
I wonder when mounted as surrounds if the downward firing driver will be inactive. Interested in how Sonos is going to pull this off if these speakers are indeed Atmos capable.
Only thing that is disappointing after reading again, says there are no internal mics. Means there won't be like a auto calibration and seems trueplay is here to stay sigh.
Who cares. You only have to do it once. I’m very likely to get two of these for rears to replace my ones and get front and rear atmos.
If this is true, I’m not sure what I think about it. I guess there is a market for lower-priced sound bars, and I’m sure the “Fury” would sound great in a small room. The article also mentions that it can be used as a surround speaker in its vertical orientation. That would make for a REALLY tall surround speaker at over 21” tall.
I was really hoping for a One or Three with an upward firing driver instead.
What are your thoughts?
If this is true, I’m not sure what I think about it. I guess there is a market for lower-priced sound bars, and I’m sure the “Fury” would sound great in a small room. The article also mentions that it can be used as a surround speaker in its vertical orientation. That would make for a REALLY tall surround speaker at over 21” tall.
I was really hoping for a One or Three with an upward firing driver instead.
What are your thoughts?
I am confident Sonos is well aware their Sonos 5.1.2 customer base is waiting and waiting with money in hand for a Sonos ARC 5.1.4 solution. So while I am disappointed once again that Sonos seems silent or ignoring the many requests for an ARC 5.1.4 solution all over the internet, I was somewhat encouraged by this new products “potential” for 5.1.4 as you wrote and I post below, but then again maybe wishful thinking on the part of the rumor’s author. 21” tall surround speaker does seem a bit on the unusual maybe even ridiculous, but if it does deliver 5.1.4 to my Sonos ARC, I’ll buy it.
I’m typically skeptical of claims that everyone on the internet wants feature x. For one thing, the person making the claim is always one of the people that wants feature x, and tends to be rather subjective, and surely informal in their information gathering. It’s just human nature to assume that everyone else wants exactly what they want. Not at all saying that you’re wrong for what you want, or that other people don’t feel strongly, just that that desire doesn’t mean there is a market out there that justifies a product or feature...guaranteed.
It is also often that people like the idea of something much more than the actual reality of it. I think rear surrounds with upfiring speakers is one of those cases. How much better atmos sound will you actually get from 4 speakers over 2? How much content is out there where you would really notice a difference? And the geometry of the speaker placement, listening area, and room/ceiling dimension work out optimally? I mean, my couch is essentially back aginst the wall, and surround speakers are about 2 feet behind seating area. Upfiring speakers would need to be at about an 85% degree angle for me to hear them as coming from above. I would bet these speakers are designed to be about 5 feet or more behind seating area.
I’m not trying to knock the idea really, and I would bet that Sonos is going to make these speakers usable for rear surrond and atmos. I think it’s going to be a lot like high res audio. People want it and may feel good about the purchase, but aren’t really going to notice any audio difference in their room. They’ll be able to feel good about having 5.1.4 setup though. And Sonos will be happy to give the people what they want.
Yeah completely wrong. Rear atmos will add a lot and allow Sonos to catch up with competitors who already have front and rear.
I just wish it was the mini sub being released as I’d love one of those to go with my Fives in my lounge!
According to this article, the Ray will be available June 7 for $279 USD.
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1652276972
Seems like they’ve jumped the press embargo time restraint, thanks for the link.
Price is a bit more than previously rumored.
Also…
However, Sonos makes no mention of the rumored option to position Ray vertically as Dolby Atmos rear speakers. There are already references to the vertical orientation in the Sonos app, so it may be added later.
The Ray is now available for pre-order on the Sonos website. There is no mention of it being used as a surround speaker… which gives me hope that a new One or Three with an upward firing driver is still possible. Maybe it will be announced on May 25 along with the Sub Mini and/or Sonos headphones.
https://www.sonos.com/en-us/shop/ray
I came to post that, I went through the pre order page but nothing suggests or says that the Ray can be used as a surround speaker
Meh let down. It's been a good journey Sonos, sadly it's the end of the road. I pick up my Sony HT-A9 tomorrow. :)
Meh let down. It's been a good journey Sonos, sadly it's the end of the road. I pick up my Sony HT-A9 tomorrow. :)
Honestly, I’m happy if the Ray won’t be used for surrounds. I never really liked the idea of using that size/shape speaker as surrounds to begin with. And $558 for a pair of surround speakers is a little pricey.
If I were you, I would wait for the May 25 announcement. I have a feeling what they announce on the 25th will be much bigger than what was released today.
Meh let down. It's been a good journey Sonos, sadly it's the end of the road. I pick up my Sony HT-A9 tomorrow. :)
Honestly, I’m happy if the Ray won’t be used for surrounds. I never really liked the idea of using that size/shape speaker as surrounds to begin with. And $558 for a pair of surround speakers is a little pricey.
If I were you, I would wait for the May 25 announcement. I have a feeling what they announce on the 25th will be much bigger than what was released today.
No they won't. The May 25th event has already happened... It was brought forward, most likely due to the leaks. You have a Ray and coloured roams. 
Guessing with their new voice control stuff coming, that will be it for this year. If I'm wrong, well then I'll hold my hand up. But in the home theatre side they have fallen behind now. No mention of new rears and no DTS codecs means I sadly won't miss it. Maybe I'll return one day, but for now it's goodbye.
The Verge sort of let us down on the surround sound idea and on the price. Leaks are not always accurate.
There is a chance that the feature will be added later on, but if you look at the wall mount for the Ray, it doesn’t really look like it would work vertically. And I somewhat doubt they would build a separate mount for veritcal placement, if they didn’t need to.
On a positive note, it does look like you can easily slide the Ray on and off it’s wall mount, without tools or anything. I don’t know why you would really need to do that...but you can.
Goodbye old, hello new. Had to buy a new TV stand for them to fit. Hates me to say it, but they sounds miles better than the Arc, sub and rears. Trying to convince the wife to let me use the Sonos in a different room and not sell though, so shall see how that goes.
Goodbye old, hello new. Had to buy a new TV stand for them to fit. Hates me to say it, but they sounds miles better than the Arc, sub and rears. Trying to convince the wife to let me use the Sonos in a different room and not sell though, so shall see how that goes.
Have you got the sub also? Tempted to chage my ARC for the sony setup… How do you find it with no dedicated centre channel?
Goodbye old, hello new. Had to buy a new TV stand for them to fit. Hates me to say it, but they sounds miles better than the Arc, sub and rears. Trying to convince the wife to let me use the Sonos in a different room and not sell though, so shall see how that goes.
Have you got the sub also? Tempted to chage my ARC for the sony setup… How do you find it with no dedicated centre channel?
No, haven't got the sub yet. I will be adding it, but need to save some more cash haha. Center channel is fine upon the tests I've done. Only tried it for around an hour so far, but can't say I notice not having a center channel. The height effects though are so good and that's where it really makes the arc sound weak. I like new technology and hats of to the Sony engineers on this one.
Goodbye old, hello new. Had to buy a new TV stand for them to fit. Hates me to say it, but they sounds miles better than the Arc, sub and rears. Trying to convince the wife to let me use the Sonos in a different room and not sell though, so shall see how that goes.
Have you got the sub also? Tempted to change my ARC for the sony setup… How do you find it with no dedicated centre channel?
No, haven't got the sub yet. I will be adding it, but need to save some more cash haha. Center channel is fine upon the tests I've done. Only tried it for around an hour so far, but can't say I notice not having a center channel. The height effects though are so good and that's where it really makes the arc sound weak. I like new technology and hats of to the Sony engineers on this one.
I prefer the aesthetics of the Arc over the Sony, but I’m sure the Sony system sounds great.
I think the important question is does the Sony system sound $650 better than the Arc system?
Here’s a great comparison of the two systems:
https://www.rtings.com/soundbar/tools/compare/sonos-arc-with-sub-one-sl-speakers-vs-sony-ht-a9-with-bass-module/15256/28848
Could the mods move the off topic stuff to another thread? I know certain posters wish to bash the Arc and pump the Sony in every thread possible, but can we please keep those posts out of the thread about a device which is neither he Arc or the Sony?
Could the mods move the off topic stuff to another thread? I know certain posters wish to bash the Arc and pump the Sony in every thread possible, but can we please keep those posts out of a thread about a device which is neither the Arc or the Sony?
Meh let down. It's been a good journey Sonos, sadly it's the end of the road. I pick up my Sony HT-A9 tomorrow. :)
I am super happy with the Sonos Arc 5.1.2 system in my environment. Particularly for Dolby Atmos and very clear dialogue. But one day, I'd like to compare with the Sony HT-A9 4.1.4 ...in my environment. OTOH, and like many “all over the internet” hoping Sonos will come with upward firing capable rear surrounds in the not too distant future and I wonder which I’ll get my hands on sooner as the Sony HT-A9 seems to be unobtainium for months now and Sonos seems to be focused on products for the lower end of the market IMO 
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