Finally think this is fixed after doing a lot of testing the only common thing was the TV, specifically HDMI input.
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Samsung sent out an engineer who replaced the main board in the TV and since then it has been fine.
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no one seems to have seen this before. So just posting what fixed it for me.
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The same problem happened through the TV speakers, via Optical and ARC.
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tried different sky boxes, different HDMI cables, always the same.
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main board swap and it now seems to be ok