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Trending Lyricist I
August 14, 2016

4K/UHD bluray players that decode DTS to Dolby?

  • August 14, 2016
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With 4K bluray players starting to emerge now, seems we really need to start keeping straight which ones will allow those of us with Sonos Playbars enjoy some semblance of Dolby sound when certain 4K blurays only offer DTS. (Note, I haven't yet purchased a 4K bluray, so am unaware of the typical sound offerings.)

But we went through this once already, for regular bluray players, with many threads devoted to outlining the multiple Samsung models of bluray that decode DTS to Dolby 5.1 (I ended up buying a Sony that also does so). Now let's do the same for 4K players.

So far we have the Samsung UBD K8500 (which seems to clearly decode DTS to dolby.) Now what about the Philips? The Panasonic? The Xbox One S?

Anyone have any idea?
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Lyricist III
March 8, 2017
Just to update you all, here is the reply from the AVS Forum:-
"The x800 doesn't not have the "Dolby D Compatible Output" option which is what you are looking for. This converts DTS to DD5.1 on the fly. (The Sony BDP-S6700 does for instance). The x800 is only able to converts DTS/Dolby Digital to multi channel PCM. So unless you're Sonos Soundbar can accept a multi channel PCM input, then you'll need to find alternative solutions".

Not what i wanted to hear - have to start looking at alternatives now as this is getting ridiculous and Sonos don't seem to listen to it's user base.
My Soundbar & Sub will be up for sale pretty soon i think !!!
Sony KD-XR65A80j, Panasonic Ubd9000 (discs), Samsung UBD-M9500 (media files) , Sonos Arc, Sub (gen 2) , 2 x Era 100's, 4 x Play 1's, 1 x Move
Trending Lyricist I
March 8, 2017
I completely understand folks who want to dump their playbar (and potentially sub) due to this issue. I am in the same boat in terms of frustration - but I'm "all in" on Sonos products in my house. A mix of play 3s, play 1s, two playbars and a home theater set up. I love the system. Love the speakers. Love the music. The TV support, obviously, has its faults. That said, the playbar (when working as intended) is equally awesome as all the other speakers. So when I look at the big picture, the playbar in my home theater will be used mostly for TV (my tv passes 5.1), so no problem there. With apple tv, no problem there. With streaming from Amazon, no problem there. And with blurays and 4K discs. And there, some have native dolby audio (no problem there), but some have only DTS. My point is, of all the sound sources, the "problem" is just a portion. And to me, personally, not worth dumping my playbar entirely, because of a "portion". Let alone, dump my playbar, sub and other Sonos components.

Just going to wait it out for the right 4K bluray player that transcodes - and problem will be solved. I did the same thing back with regular blurays. I now have a Sony player that transcodes, so there's no issue at all there. It's really just a need for the right player (elusive right now!)
Lyricist I
March 8, 2017
I can confirm that the Panasonic 900 doesn't work and I'm livid because my LG tv optical out port broke within seconds of trying to link it up, so I can only use a splitter and cable into the blu-ray and other devices. None of my 4K discs have any sound other than through the tv as they are all 7.1. I've only just finished the Sonos setup before the price hike - so 6 Play 1s throughout the house for wireless music and one Playbar, plus all the Flexson stands and extension cables. So I have brilliant Sonos sound, brilliant picture on Panasonic, but not sound on 4K movies. Gutted.
Enthusiast II
March 8, 2017
I can confirm that the Panasonic 900 doesn't work and I'm livid because my LG tv optical out port broke within seconds of trying to link it up, so I can only use a splitter and cable into the blu-ray and other devices. None of my 4K discs have any sound other than through the tv as they are all 7.1. I've only just finished the Sonos setup before the price hike - so 6 Play 1s throughout the house for wireless music and one Playbar, plus all the Flexson stands and extension cables. So I have brilliant Sonos sound, brilliant picture on Panasonic, but not sound on 4K movies. Gutted.

Yeah, I hear 'ya.
If the Sonos system sounded lousy, it would be an easy decision to scrap it for something else. But they got everything else so right - it makes this extremely frustrating.

In another thread here, Ryan from Sonos states that "Sonos is focused on modern listeners who predominantly steam". So you and I are apparently behind the times using our new-fangled UDH Blu-Ray players.


Atmos thread:
https://en.community.sonos.com/home-theater-228993/dolby-atmos-6767029
Trending Lyricist I
March 8, 2017

Yeah, I hear 'ya.
If the Sonos system sounded lousy, it would be an easy decision to scrap it for something else. But they got everything else so right - it makes this extremely frustrating.


Exactly
Trending Lyricist I
March 10, 2017
Tried reaching out to LG with this question about the transcoding feature on their upcoming player. (Might as well try to find some info while waiting for the release right?) The discussion, as you might guess, wasn't especially helpful. ("No full specs available yet."). I did ask if LG bluray players historically have this feature, and the answer I got was no. So, I continue to have no expectations for this. What's our next possibility after LG? Isn't samsung supposed to be coming out with another 4K player or two? I'm not going to get my hopes up for the other Sony (crazy price aside), since this one doesn't have it. Likewise, the less expensive Panasonic coming (why would that have the feature if this one doesn't.) At this point, just looking to a higher quality Samsung as a last resort?
Enthusiast II
March 10, 2017
Tried reaching out to LG with this question about the transcoding feature on their upcoming player. (Might as well try to find some info while waiting for the release right?) The discussion, as you might guess, wasn't especially helpful. ("No full specs available yet."). I did ask if LG bluray players historically have this feature, and the answer I got was no. So, I continue to have no expectations for this. What's our next possibility after LG? Isn't samsung supposed to be coming out with another 4K player or two? I'm not going to get my hopes up for the other Sony (crazy price aside), since this one doesn't have it. Likewise, the less expensive Panasonic coming (why would that have the feature if this one doesn't.) At this point, just looking to a higher quality Samsung as a last resort?

I also contacted LG by email about this. To no surprise they misunderstood my question entirely and gave me some gobbledy-goop about streaming music. Oh well.
I keep checking the LG website to see if the manual is available to download, but still no luck. Like you, I have little hope it'll be able to transcode, but I'm going to give it another week or two for the UP970 release.
I did some checking on the Xbox One S. It has been stated in this forum that it supports transcoding. But the Xbox One S doesn't have very good reviews about it's Blu-ray performance. If the LG doesn't come through, I guess I have to decide if I want to go with the Samsung K8500 or "cut-bait" and sell my Sonos system.
The other day I went down to my local Best Buy and listen to the Bose Soundtouch 300. It sounded fantastic! I would have no reservations switching to that system. It's just the hassle of re-selling the Sonos gear that has me hesitating at this point.
Trending Lyricist I
March 10, 2017
It does look like Samsung has two more players coming - m9500 looks like a possible upgrade over than the K8500. Maybe that'll get the job done? Not sure when it's releasing - looks like sometime in May in Europe is all I can tell.
Lyricist III
March 13, 2017
I'm going to retract my earlier comments and will NOT be selling my Soundbar & SUB just yet.

Reason - I had a dedicated demo at my local AV/Hi-Fi store on the weekend of the Yamaha YSP-2700 & the new YSP-5600. Both sounded great for movies especially the 5600 (which it should for £1,500 - without sub) but when i got the guy to play some music 'Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms' i was shocked. They have no real musicality and sound horrendously bright, especially the 2700, I was expecting so much more! Even playing around with the DSP controls didn't help. When i also mentioned the fact that i would have to replace my various Play 1's & 3's which i have around the house i was told that i could plug a 'Connect' into the 5600 and use it that way so negating the need to bin all my Sonos products, which i admit got me thinking until i got home.
I played back the same movie tracks that we used in the demo and my Soundbar & Sub sounded amazing. OK not the wider soundstage of both the Yamaha's or the Atmos effects of the 5600 but a much more cohesive sound and, in my opinion, the SUB absolutely killed the REL sub used in the demo. But the piece de resistance - played the same Dire Straits and it was on a different planet - superbly musical, great top end and mid range all underpinned by the Sub, just a fantastic sound.

It's strange - but i've probably been guilty of taking the Sonos sound & quality for granted until demo'ing these other products.

Just got to keep our fingers crossed and hope that the new Samsung M9500 answers all our prayers and is not just an upgrade to include Bluetooth connectivity, with improved PQ over the K8500 and retention of the Bitstream conversion option.

And as always - live in the hope that Sonos will eventually produce a Soundbar with HDMI and DTS ?
Sony KD-XR65A80j, Panasonic Ubd9000 (discs), Samsung UBD-M9500 (media files) , Sonos Arc, Sub (gen 2) , 2 x Era 100's, 4 x Play 1's, 1 x Move
Enthusiast II
March 13, 2017
opsman:
Thanks for that information. I was also considering the Yamaha's. What held me off was you really need a square or rectangular room for those to perform at their best.

I agree, I love the way the Sonos system handles both movies and music so well. Previously I had tried a Vizio and a Sony soundbar/sub/surround systems and neither could play music anywhere near as good as Sonos.

Have you had a chance to hear the Bose Soundtouch 300? I listened to the "canned" demo in a Best Buy. They didn't have any rear speakers connected, just the soundbar and sub. But I thought it sounded on par with Sonos with both movies and music reproduction.