Hi there,
Since upgrading to 3.1 my cr200 has become unresponsive in certain parts of the scree. For example if i try and adjust the treble in the music equalisation screen I cant move the slider. If I try and slide up and down using the A-Z slider at the RHS of my music index it stutters at E and jumps to M. I have contacted Sonos who suggested that I reset the controller but to know avail. Any ideas?
Frazer
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I just wanted to show appreciation to Tat Chuan Audio in Singapore for taking matters into their own hands and replacing my last 4 Sonos CR200 Controllers with 4 brand new 32gb WiFi Nexus 7 tablets free of charge. I have over the last couple of years had to replace 12 CR200 controllers (must have all been from the same faulty batch - eh Sonos) and they have got to the point they will not replace them anymore. They told me they have had major problems with them in Singapore and as they are high end HiFi people they felt they could not expect their customers to accept this anymore.
Well done Tat Chaun Audio, shame Sonos did not show the same level of professionalism in recalling all CR200 units and refunding wasted money.
Well done Tat Chaun Audio, shame Sonos did not show the same level of professionalism in recalling all CR200 units and refunding wasted money.
Love the Sonos kit had it for about two years and currently have the following
Three play 3s
Five play 5s
Two connects
One connect Amp
all linked to a 2TB hard drive
Plus I purchased 2 CR100 used from Ebay
So a considerable investment in the system
The only mistake I made was the purchase with the original system set up of a CR200 I've just been told that the 4th replacement unit is available for collection.
Excellent customer service from the store and a no quibble replacement from Sonos however I have zero faith in the CR200 lasting more than 6 months even the store doesn't believe that this unit will last any longer than the last.
It really is unacceptable that a dedicated controller costing £250 only lasts 6 months while a couple of old CR100s bought 2nd hand for the bathroom just keep running and running.
Fortunately as well as the CR100s my wife and I also control the system via a couple of galaxy tabs a couple of Ipads and our phones so that isn't a problem.
I am however just thinking of selling off the CR200 on ebay which is a shame as I really like the feel and quality of the CR200 and its also easy for visitors to use.
Three play 3s
Five play 5s
Two connects
One connect Amp
all linked to a 2TB hard drive
Plus I purchased 2 CR100 used from Ebay
So a considerable investment in the system
The only mistake I made was the purchase with the original system set up of a CR200 I've just been told that the 4th replacement unit is available for collection.
Excellent customer service from the store and a no quibble replacement from Sonos however I have zero faith in the CR200 lasting more than 6 months even the store doesn't believe that this unit will last any longer than the last.
It really is unacceptable that a dedicated controller costing £250 only lasts 6 months while a couple of old CR100s bought 2nd hand for the bathroom just keep running and running.
Fortunately as well as the CR100s my wife and I also control the system via a couple of galaxy tabs a couple of Ipads and our phones so that isn't a problem.
I am however just thinking of selling off the CR200 on ebay which is a shame as I really like the feel and quality of the CR200 and its also easy for visitors to use.
ive had the same controller problems of not charging and now a part of the screen is dead. ive had to reboot regularly for some time but the screen problem doesnt seem to go away. i contacted sonos who were very good until they asked for £101 for a replacement as its out of warranty! i dont want to spend £101 to have something else that doesnt work ( for long)
how can a company that sells such good and very expensive gear have such a rubbish remote control and then not support it even when customers have spent thousands on their equipment
we have iPads, iphones, computers but we still like the controller when it works. working off the sonos network rather than wireless is so much better when we are in the garden etc this is a real limitation to a great system
We were advised when we bought the system to stay away from the controller and go for a iPod. I wish we had listened!!
how can a company that sells such good and very expensive gear have such a rubbish remote control and then not support it even when customers have spent thousands on their equipment
we have iPads, iphones, computers but we still like the controller when it works. working off the sonos network rather than wireless is so much better when we are in the garden etc this is a real limitation to a great system
We were advised when we bought the system to stay away from the controller and go for a iPod. I wish we had listened!!
I've decided to register and post to this forum, as I've just started experiencing the dreaded 'part of my controller is dead' issue. For me, it's the top-right corner ('#' and A-E on the vertical search).
I've emailed Sonos and I'll be interested to see what they do, as my controller is out of the standard one-year warranty, but not the two-year one (although I purchased it in November 2012, which is after Sonos announced the extended warranty).
I note that Sonos aren't making controllers any more (apparently because the 'app' does the job just as well, if not better). I wonder if the quality of the touch screens had anything to do with that decision? In any case, in my experience, the app isn't much use if (like me) you don't have an iPhone.
I also note a recent post which suggests that Sonos are now asking customers to pay £100 to fix the controller. Given that it cost £279 in the first place and has hardly been used, £100 to fix it seems rather expensive for a product with a known and widespread fault, which appears to have a good chance of recurring. If this is the case, I'm struggling to see why customers should have to pay £100 every so often to fix Sonos's issue. This would be a shame for what is otherwise an excellent system.
I'll update this post as and when I hear from Sonos.
I've emailed Sonos and I'll be interested to see what they do, as my controller is out of the standard one-year warranty, but not the two-year one (although I purchased it in November 2012, which is after Sonos announced the extended warranty).
I note that Sonos aren't making controllers any more (apparently because the 'app' does the job just as well, if not better). I wonder if the quality of the touch screens had anything to do with that decision? In any case, in my experience, the app isn't much use if (like me) you don't have an iPhone.
I also note a recent post which suggests that Sonos are now asking customers to pay £100 to fix the controller. Given that it cost £279 in the first place and has hardly been used, £100 to fix it seems rather expensive for a product with a known and widespread fault, which appears to have a good chance of recurring. If this is the case, I'm struggling to see why customers should have to pay £100 every so often to fix Sonos's issue. This would be a shame for what is otherwise an excellent system.
I'll update this post as and when I hear from Sonos.
Welcome to the forum.
Although many of us would have preferred that Sonos maintain a dedicated Controller, I can't imagine that many were sold after the apps - both iOS and Android -- were available. Why would a user pay $349 for a Sonos CR200/Control when an iPod Touch is $229 (or less if you get a previous generation) and the Touch can do so much more? Whether the touchscreen problem played a role in the decision to discontinue the Control is something we'll probably never know, but it certainly didn't help.
I won't guess as to what Sonos will tell you with regard to repair/replacement, but I know I'd never pay that much to fix one. Very inexpensive Android smartphones -- often models intended for the no-contract prepaid market -- are readily available. I bought one for $29 new -- not a typo -- for my granddaughter to use. Not only can she use it as a Sonos Controller to play her songs on the Play:3 in her room when she visits, she can play games and all sorts of things a Sonos handheld can't do. Granted, smartphones aren't always available that cheaply, but even at 5 times that price you're still under the repair cost.
Although many of us would have preferred that Sonos maintain a dedicated Controller, I can't imagine that many were sold after the apps - both iOS and Android -- were available. Why would a user pay $349 for a Sonos CR200/Control when an iPod Touch is $229 (or less if you get a previous generation) and the Touch can do so much more? Whether the touchscreen problem played a role in the decision to discontinue the Control is something we'll probably never know, but it certainly didn't help.
I won't guess as to what Sonos will tell you with regard to repair/replacement, but I know I'd never pay that much to fix one. Very inexpensive Android smartphones -- often models intended for the no-contract prepaid market -- are readily available. I bought one for $29 new -- not a typo -- for my granddaughter to use. Not only can she use it as a Sonos Controller to play her songs on the Play:3 in her room when she visits, she can play games and all sorts of things a Sonos handheld can't do. Granted, smartphones aren't always available that cheaply, but even at 5 times that price you're still under the repair cost.
Damn. Mine is coming up to 3 years old (I think) and has just started misbehaving today :(
When I do the finger down the right hand side for the leading letter of the scrolling list it gets so far then stops. Also the dropdown arrow to show the time elapsed etc isn't working any more.
Oh well. Mine was part of the batch that was originally supposed to be the problem batch and so I guess I'm lucky it's lasted this long!
Is there any point in trying a reset of it?
When I do the finger down the right hand side for the leading letter of the scrolling list it gets so far then stops. Also the dropdown arrow to show the time elapsed etc isn't working any more.
Oh well. Mine was part of the batch that was originally supposed to be the problem batch and so I guess I'm lucky it's lasted this long!
Is there any point in trying a reset of it?
JohnG,
Sorry to hear your Sonos controller is starting to go bad.
FWIW, as indicated above, an iPod Touch is a good replacement and one that I endorse. Not only do I have the Sonos app installed, I also have an app for other "net aware" devices that are a part of my music/entertainment set up. It's all right there in the palm of my hand.
GL
DJ
Sorry to hear your Sonos controller is starting to go bad.
FWIW, as indicated above, an iPod Touch is a good replacement and one that I endorse. Not only do I have the Sonos app installed, I also have an app for other "net aware" devices that are a part of my music/entertainment set up. It's all right there in the palm of my hand.
GL
DJ
Fortunately I do have a Nexus7 and love that as a controller. I also have a CR100 which I've always preferred to the CR200 🙂
I am now on my 4th CR200. Each of the previous 3 has failed in exactly the same way. Dead screen bottom RH side.
If this was batch related, then the previous 3 must have all come from that batch over a period of 4 years. Unlikely !!
Anyway, Sonos have always handled this brilliantly and I have had all replacements FOC even though the 1st one failed outside of the 1st year. I seriously considered selling my new one, but when I got it, it was actually refurbished and so I was too honest to sell it as new.
We'll see how long this one lasts !!
If this was batch related, then the previous 3 must have all come from that batch over a period of 4 years. Unlikely !!
Anyway, Sonos have always handled this brilliantly and I have had all replacements FOC even though the 1st one failed outside of the 1st year. I seriously considered selling my new one, but when I got it, it was actually refurbished and so I was too honest to sell it as new.
We'll see how long this one lasts !!
I was pretty unimpressed when I learnt that the dead spots on my CR200 are a widespread defect. Sonos at first seemed willing to help by replacing the controller, but then limited that to doing it in the UK, where I bought it. Since I am in South Africa, it'd cost me the same to get it to the UK as walking into a shop and buying another. To a certain extent this is fair enough, but I'm not really sure why I'm supposed to bear the cost of Sonos selling me a defective product, irrespective of where I live. My letter to Sonos support below:
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Dear Sonos,
While it may seem very magnanimous of you to offer to honour the international warranty that isn't actually in place, the issue is that this controller is defective with a known defect which is widely spread amongst your similar products. You have offered to replace it, except that you offer is limited in its scope, which makes it, from your customer's perspective (ie. me), close to worthless. If this was indeed a genuine warranty claim, I would agree with you that your offer was generous and valid. Except that you sold me defective equipment and now you're making it my problem that you did so.
I do not perceive that it is my fault that Sonos sold defective merchandise. To be clear, I am somewhat disenchated that this is the case. Sonos markets itself as making high-end audio equipment, and is concomitantly expensive. I somewhat mistakenly hoped that you would take responsibility for selling me a defective product. Let me give you an example of taking responsibility: Dell sold me a laptop in 2010. A few months later I had a problem with it while I was on holiday in the gulf of Thailand on a small island. I called Dell and asked them to see if they could fix it, and they sent a technician by boat to the house where I was staying. The island was so rural that I didn't have an address - I had to send directions and a google maps image of the dirt track which the house was on; but the technician got there and they sorted out the problem. That's real customer service. On the other hand, your limited offer is not - instead it feels like least cost reputational damage control because you sold a defective product. It leaves me in the lurch, with my nose out of joint, wishing that I'd bought a different brand.
In answer to your question: No, I do not wish to spend another R2000+ on a "free" replacement controller, which may or may not break again. I will make do with my andriod controllers. At least if my android device breaks I can get it fixed.
Regards
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Dear Sonos,
While it may seem very magnanimous of you to offer to honour the international warranty that isn't actually in place, the issue is that this controller is defective with a known defect which is widely spread amongst your similar products. You have offered to replace it, except that you offer is limited in its scope, which makes it, from your customer's perspective (ie. me), close to worthless. If this was indeed a genuine warranty claim, I would agree with you that your offer was generous and valid. Except that you sold me defective equipment and now you're making it my problem that you did so.
I do not perceive that it is my fault that Sonos sold defective merchandise. To be clear, I am somewhat disenchated that this is the case. Sonos markets itself as making high-end audio equipment, and is concomitantly expensive. I somewhat mistakenly hoped that you would take responsibility for selling me a defective product. Let me give you an example of taking responsibility: Dell sold me a laptop in 2010. A few months later I had a problem with it while I was on holiday in the gulf of Thailand on a small island. I called Dell and asked them to see if they could fix it, and they sent a technician by boat to the house where I was staying. The island was so rural that I didn't have an address - I had to send directions and a google maps image of the dirt track which the house was on; but the technician got there and they sorted out the problem. That's real customer service. On the other hand, your limited offer is not - instead it feels like least cost reputational damage control because you sold a defective product. It leaves me in the lurch, with my nose out of joint, wishing that I'd bought a different brand.
In answer to your question: No, I do not wish to spend another R2000+ on a "free" replacement controller, which may or may not break again. I will make do with my andriod controllers. At least if my android device breaks I can get it fixed.
Regards
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My controller had started to exhibit dead zones in the middle of the right hand side and I assumed that it was a software fault and would probably be remedied with an update. Needless to say, that didn't happen.
I began digging around on the internet and found this thread and was pleased to see that there was a problem but horrified that it was so wide spread.
My unit is well outside of warranty. Never the less I decided to approach Sonos and was offered an RMA once I had gone through the battery reset procedure. I was offered the £74 replacement service but wrote back saying that I didn't expect a premium product to fail after three years and that, with most premium products good will would be applied and that I was expecting the same in this situation too.
Sonos explained that the £74 service was a subsidised one give the relative age of my controller but that, on this occasion, they would waive the cost and provide me with an RMA as if it were a warranty.
Of course, I realise that I may simply be buying myself a little time by having a different unit but I feel that by having a refurbished (or otherwise) unit, it gives me a fighting chance to get a longer term resolution - it being easier to return an refurbished unit if it dies or becomes crippled than fighting to replace something which is well outside of warranty.
So, if you don't ask, you don't get. If you do ask, firmly, you may be surprised.
I began digging around on the internet and found this thread and was pleased to see that there was a problem but horrified that it was so wide spread.
My unit is well outside of warranty. Never the less I decided to approach Sonos and was offered an RMA once I had gone through the battery reset procedure. I was offered the £74 replacement service but wrote back saying that I didn't expect a premium product to fail after three years and that, with most premium products good will would be applied and that I was expecting the same in this situation too.
Sonos explained that the £74 service was a subsidised one give the relative age of my controller but that, on this occasion, they would waive the cost and provide me with an RMA as if it were a warranty.
Of course, I realise that I may simply be buying myself a little time by having a different unit but I feel that by having a refurbished (or otherwise) unit, it gives me a fighting chance to get a longer term resolution - it being easier to return an refurbished unit if it dies or becomes crippled than fighting to replace something which is well outside of warranty.
So, if you don't ask, you don't get. If you do ask, firmly, you may be surprised.
I've had 10 or 11 replacements - and so far, touch wood, these 2 units I now have are working OK.
But if they fail, then any charge is not going to fly I'm afraid. Sonos knows, in advance, that they have a manufacturing defect. I'm no lawyer, but I'd bet that you'd have a strong legal right to a refund or replacement beyond the warranty period if there was a known defect.
They could have recalled them and offered a refund at the time, but they chose not to.
But if they fail, then any charge is not going to fly I'm afraid. Sonos knows, in advance, that they have a manufacturing defect. I'm no lawyer, but I'd bet that you'd have a strong legal right to a refund or replacement beyond the warranty period if there was a known defect.
They could have recalled them and offered a refund at the time, but they chose not to.
Can you buy a replacement screen and replace it yourself?
Sonos want to charge me £95 for a replacement (incl shipping and VAT). Quite frankly I don't think this is on for something that is clearly a product that has had such a troubled history - and is being withdrawn. Has anyone else been asked to pay towards a replacement - and did you pay it?
Thanks.
I'm also in the UK and mine died after three years. They tried to get me to pay and I argued that a premium brand would apply goodwill after the warranty had run out and that I expected Sonos to do the same. I got a free one via RMA.
UK based as well and I am on my 4th CR200. All have failed in the same way.
All have been replaced FOC even when out of warranty,
I've had it with this piece of kit now and my latest one is still boxed and I'm going to sell it.
All have been replaced FOC even when out of warranty,
I've had it with this piece of kit now and my latest one is still boxed and I'm going to sell it.
I'm pleased that SONOS appear to be doing the honourable thing now - and replacing units well out of warranty via their RMA process :-)
I can't post the link - but one of the SONOS reps links to the RMA process online - and you get a UPS label emailed to you after answering some basic questions.
Well done SONOS - should not have taken so long - but at least they did the right thing in the end..
I can't post the link - but one of the SONOS reps links to the RMA process online - and you get a UPS label emailed to you after answering some basic questions.
Well done SONOS - should not have taken so long - but at least they did the right thing in the end..
I discovered one of my five CR100s was showing the reported screen issue while trying to update it to v5.1. I immediately recognised the symptoms, this being my third to go. Dating back to 2011, an RMA for repair under warranty was immediately sent to me.
I cannot say enough how well Sonos as a company has handled problem products over the years I have owned them. Mainly CR200s it has to be said.
My point is that Sonos is a model for after sales service that many others should emulate!
I cannot say enough how well Sonos as a company has handled problem products over the years I have owned them. Mainly CR200s it has to be said.
My point is that Sonos is a model for after sales service that many others should emulate!
Same for me, got my CR200 replaced two weeks ago for the third time - it must be more than three years over warranty.
I saw the RMA link almost by accident, gave it try and almost couldn't believe that it will be replaced.
The new one is working fine until now...
I agree that this is really exemplar customer service.
I saw the RMA link almost by accident, gave it try and almost couldn't believe that it will be replaced.
The new one is working fine until now...
I agree that this is really exemplar customer service.
It should be mentioned that the replacements seem to be manufacturer refurbished items rather than brand new. Myself and 2 other guys all received this type of product when the CR200s have had this issue.
My previous replacements were all new. No complaints from me except that I had to sell this one as such on ebay.
My previous replacements were all new. No complaints from me except that I had to sell this one as such on ebay.
Hmmm - I'm not delighted about this! I had one CR200 fail with the notorious touch screen problem while it was within warranty, and it was replaced FoC.
My second CR200 failed in October last year with the same touchscreen problem; this one was around 3.5 years old. Sonos wanted £101 to replace it, and like a mug, I paid up. And I now find they are replacing them for free even that long out of warranty?
I wonder if there is any chance of claiming the money I paid back - it seems unfair to have been charged when others have had (quite rightly) free replacements.
My second CR200 failed in October last year with the same touchscreen problem; this one was around 3.5 years old. Sonos wanted £101 to replace it, and like a mug, I paid up. And I now find they are replacing them for free even that long out of warranty?
I wonder if there is any chance of claiming the money I paid back - it seems unfair to have been charged when others have had (quite rightly) free replacements.
Spl23'
Do you live in the uk, if so you do have options
Do you live in the uk, if so you do have options
Do you live in the uk, if so you do have options
Yes, I'm in the UK - on seeing this thread last night, I've emailed Sonos CS with the details of my original returns thread and asked why I was charged when others weren't. I'll see what they say...
Spl23'
If the original retailer is still around that should be the first port of call, you are covered by the sale of goods act even if out of warranty. If you paid by credit card the card company is libel and you can claim any repair costs, the only thing is this is up to 6 years for any liability
If the original retailer is still around that should be the first port of call, you are covered by the sale of goods act even if out of warranty. If you paid by credit card the card company is libel and you can claim any repair costs, the only thing is this is up to 6 years for any liability
FYI
I no longer believe it being a hardware failure.
Some pages and menu entries show that particular spot working on the touchscreen.
I suspect a software issue.
E.g.
On the "ACTUAL TITLE" page you can touch the album logo on any mm from top to bottom and it works flawless.
THIS IS A SOFTWARE ISSUE AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A BAD TOUCHSCREEN
I no longer believe it being a hardware failure.
Some pages and menu entries show that particular spot working on the touchscreen.
I suspect a software issue.
E.g.
On the "ACTUAL TITLE" page you can touch the album logo on any mm from top to bottom and it works flawless.
THIS IS A SOFTWARE ISSUE AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A BAD TOUCHSCREEN
So... this is a 6 year old thread, and for many of those years Sonos were replacing the hardware for those users who encountered the problem.
Yet despite all that history you now insist that it's a simple software fix? Well, I guess you must know better that all the Sonos engineers....
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