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Amazon Music HD Available on Sonos

  • 17 September 2019
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Until I see a trusted source doing true blind testing of various formats and reporting that HD is better I’m going with the science on this and calling HD audio snake-oil.

No reason not to spend your money on it if it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling but that is a lot of money to part with for a feeling.

My audio card runs at 48 bit 192khz. Through near field monitors. HD files of that quality are limited. Mostly classical recordings. You can tell its HD and the difference is like night and day. 

How do you know if its HD. No display on the sonos app.

a short attention span

Your first post onto the thread was 2 hours ago...

 

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Your question required several answers, which I found (again) in a quick scan of the thread. I don’t see why it should be necessary to repeat them.

 

Then please don’t and move on.  Your response doesn’t help at all.

Anyone that doesn’t mind answering is more than welcome to and I would be grateful for it.

Especially helpful to those of us just joining the conversation, have a short attention span and don’t want to have to wade through several pages for an answer that could simply be posted here in a few sentences.

 

Your question required several answers, which I found (again) in a quick scan of the thread. I don’t see why it should be necessary to repeat them.

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Thanks for being such an incredible help!

 

 

Without going through four pages of content, can anyone simply verify whether Sonos speakers support Amazon HD?

 

I would be using my Mac desktop app to source the music.

Perhaps you should expend the pretty meagre effort. You’ll find the answers a couple of pages back.

 

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Hey guys!

 

Without going through four pages of content, can anyone simply verify whether Sonos speakers support Amazon HD?

 

I would be using my Mac desktop app to source the music.

 

Thank you so much

Conversation on another thread surfaced this issue: going by what is commonly understood, CD lossless streaming is not HD; only those formats that exceed CD resolution are called HD or Hi Res. There is enough on Google to support this statement. How Amazon calls CD resolution as HD is a mystery, and appears to be something that they have done unilaterally in an attempt to redefine HD to being what they are doing. I have no idea if this will succeed.

Sonos is a beneficiary of this stunt, being also labeled HD capable overnight with nothing have changed from what they have been capable of since their inception.

Of course none of this has a bearing on whether HD music of any resolution, including what Amazon touts as Ultra HD, can be audibly picked out from the same mastering/recording downsampled to CD quality; no one anywhere has demonstrated that in a controlled blind test. Where Amazon makes use of the higher content capability to add more to the recording is a different matter; it will sound different, perhaps even better, using more speaker tech in the process, but that is a different discussion.

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Until I see a trusted source doing true blind testing of various formats and reporting that HD is better I’m going with the science on this and calling HD audio snake-oil.

No reason not to spend your money on it if it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling but that is a lot of money to part with for a feeling.

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Does Sonos support playing Amazon UltraHD tracks at their bit rates above 16/44?

They’ll stream at CD-quality (16-bit HD) audio through the Sonos app.

 

Does Sonos support playing Amazon UltraHD tracks at their bit rates above 16/44?

I am missing something. I thought the HD was supposed to be the new high quality standards Neil Young has been saying he’s been dying for for decades. Then I read the sonos document and it says we will get 44.1?? not even 48? (don’t care about 96, sorry Neil).

 

Neil’s the one who is sorry.  How much did he flush down the toilet backing the Pono player? 

I am missing something. I thought the HD was supposed to be the new high quality standards Neil Young has been saying he’s been dying for for decades. Then I read the sonos document and it says we will get 44.1?? not even 48? (don’t care about 96, sorry Neil).

It would definitely be nice to have some real data rather than having to go with empirical evidence. I upgraded and I believe that HD running from the Sonos app sounds better to me than using airplay from the Amazon Music app. But that could all be just what my senses believe. It would be great to know that the data supports what I hear, it would make it a lot easier to pay the higher price for the service. LOL

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I don’t think Sonos supports anything higher that 16 bit / 44.4 KHz. Years ago when I was trying to figure out how to rip my CD collection for playback, Sonos, posted that they (at the time) did not support higher bitrate playback. That was for my ZP90 (renamed to Sonos Connect, for you newer to Sonos folks).

Admittedly, that could have changed, but i can’t find anywhere in their website that it has.
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Maybe, I am wrong here, but according to Amazon Music I am getting 24 bit/48khz through Sonos. I am doing this by using Airplay which I send to my Apple TV and then out to my speakers.
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Hi Luis, I don't have a timetable to share, but I'll make sure to add your interest on getting Amazon Music HD in Australia on Sonos.
Ryan, when is this service going to be available in Australia? I recently got a SONOS MOVE, and to my surprise I cannot add AMAZON MUSIC HD to the SONOS APP! Any idea why?? However I can stream it from the amazon app, but defeats the point of having a SONOS control centre.
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And ripping and storing in lossless format IS the way to go, particularly now that memory drives are so cheap.


I agree, When drives are cheap I don’t see any reason not to rip at CD quality. It’s a shame to charge more for CD quality streaming in the age of broadband as it’s still not straining most people’s bandwith, but I can see while many won’t pay the few extra pounds when the audio difference is inaudible (to most) 😋

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I have a significant visual impairment. It is said many people hone one sense when others are impaired.

I know when I first ripped my CDs lossy, I was in a few cases disappointed how some music sounded ‘wrong’.

I never heard any difference on Sonos gear, however, but I was convinced enough to re-rip in a lossless format. You know, just in case 😋
There is no right or wrong in any of it.

I have never spend much time with headphones - quality ones - so I accept that someone with more sensitive ears will hear more of the difference between lossy and lossless using these; when I refer to audible differences, I refer to those heard on speakers in a typical domestic listening environment. That said, it also depends on what bit rate lossy was in your instance, and what codec was used.

And ripping and storing in lossless format IS the way to go, particularly now that memory drives are so cheap.

Of course there is no right or wrong about these subjective experiences - as long as they are held out to be subjective ones, and therefore agreed to be susceptible to subjective failings that all humans are hard wired to be susceptible too. So when we point out that there are no differences that can be heard in blind tests, that is all we point out to those making equipment or music listening assessments - to not get fooled into thinking that there is much science behind the subjective opinions posted and being relied on. There are far too many of those around, that claim to be an absolute truth.
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There was a time when I refused to think of listening to lossless CD rips on a local NAS over WiFi as opposed to through my exotic brand name interconnects for the sound degradation that would bring, even when that mode would have been a lot more convenient as well as less messy. Fortunately, I escaped from that well and never looked back..


i thought long about posting here as I know this is an argument that gets people fired up.

i accept that in your case Kumar, you have experienced the argument from both sides and have made the decision that is right for you. I totally respect that.

But as with many things, the situation can be more nuanced than it first seems.

I have a significant visual impairment. It is said many people hone one sense when others are impaired.

I know when I first ripped my CDs lossy, I was in a few cases disappointed how some music sounded ‘wrong’. I wouldn’t honestly say they sounded to my ears worse, just , well -wrong. Admittedly this was with good headphones and with very familiar modern recordings. I tried lossless, and it sounded right to me, at least compared to what I was familiar with. Again I would be lying if I used the word better, it just sounded right.

I never heard any difference on Sonos gear, however, but I was convinced enough to re-rip in a lossless format. You know, just in case 😋

We all hear what we hear and it is impossible to accurately convey to others what that is.

The only analogy I can give is of an evening I often hear people describe the millions of stars in the night sky. I can’t see one, but I don’t deny what others see, just because I can’t see it.

So so it is - as I say - more nuanced. But as with HD UHD or 8k TV, we all have to decide what makes a difference for us. There is no right or wrong in any of it.

all the best
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Hi getjams, the team is working on bringing Amazon Unlimited HD streams to Sonos using voice control with Alexa, more to come soon and we’ll share here when it’s available.

Amazon just announced the Echo Studio, which supports HD, presumably via Alexa. So, probably not too far in the future that the Alexa ecosystem will be updated to support HD streaming via voice or casting.
Is there no way of using the Amazon app itself like I can with Spotify as it appears the sonos app is not showing hd on the track list
Yes you can, but at present casting from the Amazon Music app to Sonos is in SD whatever the app may say. Evidently this is because it piggy-backs on the Alexa delivery mechanism.
Is there no way of using the Amazon app itself like I can with Spotify as it appears the sonos app is not showing hd on the track list