Sonos 11.1 Brings Sonos Radio

The very definition of posturing. 

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/posturing

behavior or speech that is intended to attract attention and interest, or to make people believe something that is not true:

Especially since they have stated in no uncertain terms that they do not sell your data.  Terms that are enforced by the FTC and can warrant billions in fines if not followed.  

They do sell your data - wise-up. They might not sell your data ‘personalised’, but they don’t say they don’t use of sell aggregates.

Read the privacy policy, then look around the web - hundreds of people have complained about their privacy policy. It’s universally slammed by privacy advocates.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/11/sonos_privacy_speakers/

https://www.extremetech.com/electronics/254561-sonos-accept-new-privacy-policy-well-brick-device

https://www.zdnet.com/article/sonos-accept-new-privacy-policy-speakers-cease-to-function/

https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2017/08/24/sonos-triggers-fight-over-privacy-with-new-data-rules-for-audio-devices/FOvJy8dkgeiylkv8RKot0J/story.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15071120

I can’t decide if I like the Thom Yorke station or not.    It keeps going from just weird enough to be interesting to too weird to really get into.

If you have proof of this, I suggest you contact the FTC.

None of those links say they are selling your data.

I also find the station names ‘Rock Road Trip’ and ‘Cruise Control’ a little odd for a home audio system.  

Sharing and Disclosure of Aggregate Data

We share data in aggregate form and/or in a form which does not enable the recipient of such data to identify you, with third parties, for example, for industry analysis.

They don’t do this for the good of their health! As written, wise-up!

I don’t want Sonos to collect the data; if they didn’t have an ulterior motive to collect it, they wouldn’t choose to fight constant bad press for their universally slammed privacy policy.

From this forum: https://en.community.sonos.com/community-feedback-229090/complaint-to-the-uk-ico-and-referral-to-the-dutch-data-protection-authority-6827089

I see you stuck your head in the sand in this post

Edit - as I can switch between the higher quality AAC stream and the Sonos Radio 128k stream it’s possible to compare quality as well.  Definitely can hear that Sonos Radio stream not as full or good, however it is quite a few seconds ahead of the same TuneIn stream (never realised the delay via TuneIn was so large, so it does have an advantage).

*yawn*

What does everyone think about Sonos Radio in this Sonos Radio thread?

Great question! Not that I know of currently, but I’ll let the team hear the idea as a suggestion for the future.

The only change to TuneIn is that it has been moved in the order of services to its proper place alphabetically, and you can now remove it if you’d like. The service itself works the same. One major difference is that with Sonos Radio we get to host some of our own shows, the exclusive Sonos Stations and Sonos Sound System which we’re really excited to host. 

Some stations are sourced through TuneIn, some through iHeart Radio, and we’ll be adding more partners in the future too. We’re not hosting all of the 60,000+ stations ourselves, just connecting you with the streams hosted elsewhere.

@Suecom I appreciate your concern over personal privacy. We try to be very clear about what data we use, how, and the fact that we do not sell it. The only information shared with our advertising partner for Sonos Radio is the language, genre of the station you're listening to, and location (in the form of general zip code based on the IP of connection). You can learn more about this on our Terms of Service: https://www.sonos.com/legal/sonos-radio-terms Also, I’ve worked at Sonos for almost 10 years now and we’ve always required an email address to register a system. If a system was unregistered, it couldn’t update or play any music that wasn’t TuneIn, line-in, or local music (assuming you had everything on the same software build). Over the years we’ve become even more clear about what we’re collecting and why.

But let’s all try to stay on topic in this thread. If you want to join another thread on privacy, or start your own, you’re welcome to share.