I would be stunned if it was, Danny.
The charging loop dock that comes with the Move isn't designed to run the cable through the wall. As you said, in wall use is dependent on local codes, and it also would depend on the cable. I'm with Airgetlam, I'd be surprised if you find one that can. Also, the length would be a trick too. If you're wondering about mounting, it'd be best to run an outlet and connect the Move to that outside the wall.
The charging loop dock that comes with the Move isn't designed to run the cable through the wall. As you said, in wall use is dependent on local codes, and it also would depend on the cable. I'm with Airgetlam, I'd be surprised if you find one that can. Also, the length would be a trick too. If you're wondering about mounting, it'd be best to run an outlet and connect the Move to that outside the wall.
I wasn't thinking when I asked that question. It wouldn't be practical to pull the electrical plug or ring through a wall regardless. You're correct that you could definitely do a out let relocation to get it done. I use USB to Micro USB cables outside, rated for outdoor use and should be fine indoors as well. Haven't seen one that's USB-C though.
Wondering about Move's durability? Check out our video, the breaking of Move and
our blog post here as well:
Hello
Well I finally received my Move on 9/24. I finished setting them up and ran a few initial tests. I'll probably add to this critique as I use them more but for now here's what I experienced.
Packaging/Unboxing: Sonos did a great job here. Excellent presentation not only with the box materials but the wrapping/packaging of the charging ring which comes in its own box nestled in with the speaker. The speaker is enclosed in a nice black sock with draw string secured by a spring pressure button. Think of a hoodie’s draw string button used to secure it around your head. I don’t envision using the sock as a carry for the speaker. I’d only use it to protect the finish if I were packing it in a car trunk for transport.
Setup: Very easy and straight forward. The app will even instruct you to place the speaker on the charge ring if it determines that the battery is not charged enough. I have two Move’s and the first must have had a sufficient charge as I was not asked to place it on the ring. You are given the choice to enable TruePlay or not. Although I don’t see why one would not engage it.
One thing I didn’t like (and this would not be an issue if you’re only setting up one speaker) is that the app will discover both speakers and display the ID number. I was forced to determine the exact speaker to know which one to push the setup button on when prompted. For some reason Sonos printed the ID numbers in a very tiny font that is almost the same color as the speaker. As the ID number appears on the back of the speaker if would have been nice if had it been printed in white as a contrast for easier reading. Sonos, you dropped the ball on that one.
Audio: This is all IMO. The Move sounds great. I’d place it a step above the old Play 3 and a step and a half above a Sonos One/SL. The Play 5 is still the flagship (as well it should be). Tonality wise the Move is a bit crisp but has a enough low-end so as not to sound harsh. It can definitely fill a space 20 x 12 with 8 ft ceiling adequately (4 walls). Vocals are clean with a good mid-range for music given the size of the speaker. No no coloring was displayed (IMO).
As a stereo pair they are awesome. I did an A/B test of the Move’s against my Play 5’s. There is a difference. However I think the non-discriminating listener will find little fault. Even without a sub when in stereo pair the low-end is noticeable.
Another nice touch is that if the stereo pair is broken and they are later brought together again they return to the original L/R paring without going through the entire setup. I recommend that you some how mark the right and left speaker if you move both at the same time (especially if moved to different locations).
Bluetooth: The Move does take a slight hit in sound quality versus being on Wi-Fi. Even so they beat all other BT speakers I’ve experienced hands-down. Interestingly, I paired both on my iPhone simultaneously. I was able to switch between them without a problem. Although as we all know they will not play together.
Charging: When there are two speakers in stereo pair the indicator in the Sonos app will favor the speaker with the lowest charge to display. That’s a good idea as in that manner when the speaker with the lowest charge shows 100% you know the other is good-to-go.
I also found them easy to place in the charging ring as they can only fit in one manner.
Controls: They are nicely laid out. In fact I was able to move between BT and Wi-Fi without looking behind the speaker. If you have a good sense of touch you’ll easily know the power button from the setup button after the initial setup.
Overall First Impression: I'm very pleased/impressed with the Move and would recommend it in a heart beat.
Cheers!
If we are to read between the lines,,,which I know can be dangerous. Below is a FAQ on the Move copied from the Sonos website....
Question: Does automatic Trueplay work when Move is on Bluetooth?
Answer: Automatic Trueplay currently only works on WiFi.
All information today suggests that automatic Trueplay is not possible on the Move when in BT mode. Now, I'm not an editor of words by any stretch of the imagination. However use of the two words
"currently only" (in the answer given to the question) might suggest that in a furure update auto-Truepaly; or at least the ability to use Trueplay when the Move is in BT mode may be forth coming.
How do you guys interpret that statement.
AjTrek1,
I interpret the comment in the same way as you and that it’s perhaps a case of Sonos are looking into the possibility of the speaker being able to do the auto-TruePlay tuning in BT mode. I guess only time will tell.
I think Sonos may need to make the process easier for a user to add a new wifi network for the speaker to use when it’s in range. It is not yet as simple as I would like it to be.
By the way I understand some Samsung mobile devices can play to two Bluetooth speakers at the same time (S8/S9 mobiles, I think?) ... not stereo, but I believe both will play in sync and there’s rumour that iOS devices maybe able to also do this over BT at some point in the future.
I will just finish by saying that I really like the new ‘Move' speaker too by the way.
I would struggle with where the processing to do that 'non-connected' TruePlay is coming from. I suppose it's possible that there might be enough CPU on the speaker itself, but as I understand it, right now, the microphones are turned off in BT mode, perhaps for power saving, since BT would normally be off charger.
Of course, it's wise to never say never, given enough time, money, and thought, anything is possible 🙂
When using the Move at home as a normal speaker does one remove it to charge? Or can it charge continuously as one uses it?
I'd be interested to know why Truplay doesn't work for BT and can't imagine it's a CPU issue where it's otherwise handed off to the cloud.
Hi all, slightly random question but how does the sound of the Move compare to sound from the Beam For playing music? Thanks
Can Move be used in a location without WiFi?
Krismusic, yes, it can be switched to a single point Bluetooth speaker.
Hi all, slightly random question but how does the sound of the Move compare to sound from the Beam For playing music? Thanks
I personally find the quality a lot better on the move, not that there is any problems on the beam I just find the sound a lot more crisper
When using the Move at home as a normal speaker does one remove it to charge? Or can it charge continuously as one uses it?
I'm not sure what you mean by 'remove' in your first statement. Remove from your Sonos network? No. Remove it from the charger? Obviously not. Did you mean something else?
Yes. it will charge as it's play, whether in wifi or bluetooth mode.
Danny, thanks. I meant to ask if it could be playing while charging. In other words can it simply remain in the charger and work as a day to day Sonos speaker. You answered my question, in spite of my lack of clarity.
I'd be interested to know why Truplay doesn't work for BT and can't imagine it's a CPU issue where it's otherwise handed off to the cloud.
I don't know, but speculating...perhaps it's assumed that the speaker in BT mode will mostly be used in an open environment where auto trueplay is less effective. Or perhaps they simply haven't gotten a chance to properly development and test yet. Perhaps a combination of the two.
I also wonder if there are some legal concerns about using microphones in public places where BT would function? I wouldn't think so, but don't know.
Related to this, I wonder why Alexa access isn't available in BT mode, if the device you're BT connected to is Alexa capable. It really wouldn't be Alexa at this point, but a BT mic with the phone, used for whatever purpose you want, including phone calls. My guess is that it either didn't test out well, isn't a direction Sonos wants to go, or perhaps is not something they feel comfortable releasing without further testing.
Hi Ryan,
Great news about a portable/outdoor Sonos! A quick question about the Bluetooth connection, I am thinking about using the speaker with a wireless Bluetooth transmitter attached to my projector in an outdoor movie setup. My concern is with Bluetooth 4.2 and latency, I want to make sure the audio and video are well synced. Do you have any specs on the Move's Bluetooth latency and whether or not it will work to steam synchronized video dialog. Thanks in advance for your help!
Rich-
Hi Rich, there would be several factors at play in your situation, so your experience may definitely vary from what's expected. There's a minimal delay from when Move receives the Bluetooth signal until it plays it, but your Bluetooth transmitter will likely have a delay as well, prior to sending the audio. For use with a projector in this setup, I'd expect to see a bit of a lipsync issue. However, it certainly wouldn't hurt to try. If you do, let us know how it goes!
A bit behind the times these days but what a joy to see something made by sonos that we have asked for.
@Ryan S and the whole SONOS team. A big thank you from me and the sonos community.
I’m enjoying my move after a week but one of the main reasons I bought it for doesn’t seem to be working: the Move is not recognized by iPad Bluetooth. I use the new speaker with both WiFi for Sonos, and using Airplay for podcasts off my iPhone via Bluetooth, no problem. But, taking the Move inside or outside to chill and stream programs or live TV off my iPad, the Move does not show up as a device on the iPad. No amount of rebooting, restarting, or patience has changed the result.
Any ideas here?
I’m enjoying my move after a week but one of the main reasons I bought it for doesn’t seem to be working: the Move is not recognized by iPad Bluetooth. I use the new speaker with both WiFi for Sonos, and using Airplay for podcasts off my iPhone via Bluetooth, no problem. But, taking the Move inside or outside to chill and stream programs or live TV off my iPad, the Move does not show up as a device on the iPad. No amount of rebooting, restarting, or patience has changed the result.
Any ideas here?
Switch the move to Bluetooth mode by Short pressing the rear middle Button. Then long press the same button again till you hear a tone and the speaker goes into pairing mode.
Goto your iPad and open it’s settings and scroll to the Bluetooth settings and ensure it’s switched on and look for the Sonos Move in the list. It will show with the Sonos Room name and select it to pair with the speaker.
If it fails, remove it from the iPad Bluetooth list and try the pairing process again.
Hope that gets you up and running..
Well, dang, that’s exactly right. A bit of a SMH moment ... but it worked. Thank you.
I really enjoy the Move since I purchased it on the 24 of September. I always wanted a speaker like that.
What is disappointing that the Move cannot be connected to the SonosNet. I’m using it in the backyard and the WiFi signal is not strong enough there. The SonosNet would be. Unfortunately the functionality using Bluetooth is reduced, no Trueplay neither the possibility to combine two Moves for stereo sound.
The reliability of the SonosNet used to be a big plus. Hope the function will be implemented in the future.
Frank
I really enjoy the Move since I purchased it on the 24 of September. I always wanted a speaker like that.
What is disappointing that the Move cannot be connected to the SonosNet. I’m using it in the backyard and the WiFi signal is not strong enough there. The SonosNet would be. Unfortunately the functionality using Bluetooth is reduced, no Trueplay neither the possibility to combine two Moves for stereo sound.
The reliability of the SonosNet used to be a big plus. Hope the function will be implemented in the future.
Frank
It cannot be implemented. On bootup of each unit, Sonosnet analyzes/changes the matrix for optimum performance and that analysis assumes the unit(s) are stationary. If the matrix then changes because the Move is . . . errm . . . moved, that analysis is useless and reliability is out the window. You might think they could analyze on the fly, but that would entail dropouts as the matrix is reconfigured.
