Edit: Sonos would not have to include the power puck with the 3.5mm USB-C cable. Sennheiser for example sells a $300 set of wireless ear buds that charge by USB-C. Only the cable is provided. The purchaser has to provide the power puck.
That brings up a good point. i don't see it in this thread, but I believe Sonos stated that the Move will fully charge in 5 hours? Whatever it is the specs for the Move show that's it's compatible through USB-C at 12V/3A, 15V/3A, 20V/2.25A. I'm no expert at this, but I believe there are a lot of power pucks out there at 5V. The Move may still charge with that, but probably a lot slower. And a lot of people are just going to use a spare power puck instead of getting one that's appropriately sized, particularly if they don't know there's a difference. I mean, the plugs fit afterall, right? That's going to lead to some disappointed customers who feel cheated, or just return the move thinking the battery's defective.
The ring charges at 18VDC, 2.5A, so customers would get the as advertised charging rate
Hi Again
Disclaimer: The information presented is for fun...not fact. None of the information provided is yet on the Sonos website or officially mentioned in the community.
Just thought I'd stir the rumor mill pot once again regarding Move accessories and/or essentials depending upon when you might use (or want) them. There's also an interesting tid-bit on how the USB-C port might be used.
Supposedly, that USB-C port won't be used to supply power or charging via a wall outlet in the conventional sense; but instead allow the use of a USB-C Power Brick that has been previously charged. Why one way and not the other is a question. If that's so will the USB-C power brick be a Sonos accessory or 3rd party provided or both. Enjoy the viewing/reading.
Cheers!
Charging Ring as an accessory and USB-C Port
Replacement Battery at $89.00_USD
I'm finding the reporting in that video to be not the same as I understand the Move. For instance, he says you can pair the Sonos Move with another Sonos Move, but doesn't mention the fact that it must be on the Wifi setting, and not in Bluetooth mode.
He also doesn't mention that the voice assistant will only be while connected to Wifi, and not functional on Bluetooth mode.
Your interpretation of his discussion of the power brick is completely different than mine. I didn't get that it won't be used to charge the Move, and is only for the power brick use....I understood that just to be an option, with no discussion about whether it was for charging or not.
I'm finding the reporting in that video to be not the same as I understand the Move. For instance, he says you can pair the Sonos Move with another Sonos Move, but doesn't mention the fact that it must be on the Wifi setting, and not in Bluetooth mode.
Granted he could have gone into more detail as to how and when the move can be paired but my take is that he was just trying to cover some of the obvious questions.
He also doesn't mention that the voice assistant will only be while connected to Wifi, and not functional on Bluetooth mode.
Here again skimming the high points.
Your interpretation of his discussion of the power brick is completely different than mine. I didn't get that it won't be used to charge the Move, and is only for the power brick use....I understood that just to be an option, with no discussion about whether it was for charging or not.
Please re-listen at 4minutes 24 seconds into the clip. I could swear he is saying that the USB-C port is not for conventional power. I questioned that point as well. Again he's just a blogger and not the official voice of Sonos. I'll know for sure when
@Ryan S clarifies this or when mine are delivered.
BTW...sold my two Play 3's today in 20 minutes at 58.5% of the original $299 retail price from 5 years ago. Sonos do hold their value.
The USB-C on Port is used for charging the unit when you don't have access to the included power dock. It's not for only for wall use, but can also be used with a power bank.
Note:
The battery is rechargeable with an included indoor charging base or with any USB-C charger with the following output levels: 12V/3A, 15V/3A, or 20V/2.25A.
That includes a USB-C cable plugged into the wall.
Thank you, Ryan, nothing else made any sense to me. Not that I’m the arbiter of sense, mind you.
I'm not that knowledgeable on the subject, so forgive me if it's a nonsensical question. Is it possible to damage the Move if you charge it with a power block at higher than 20V? Not sure if those even exist, or if they do, if there is intelligence in the blocks to send voltage appropriately. Also, aren't there power blocks out there that output at 5V? Will those work, just charge really slowly?
Is there any possible way you could utilize these as a stereo pair for an outdoor TV setup on the patio?
Thinking Roku TV, but unsure how you would get audio signal from TV to Move(s).
I think that's exactly the issue. Sure, you can use them outside as any type of Sonos speaker. But how do you get the audio from the TV to the Sonos ecosystem? You'd have to have a line in to the TV's line out (either digital for the PLAYBAR, PLAYBASE, Beam, Sonos Amp or analog for the Port, PLAY:5).
Move accessories you might consider:
The Move power requirements for the USB-C port are:
USB type C PD power with 45W, 20V/2.25A. IMO you would probably only use the port when outdoors away from the charge ring or no electrical power is near by.
Below are links to two products that meet the Move requirements for power and to sustain it if the battery goes down during use. Increased battery drain is probably more apt to occur when on Wi-Fi outdoors.
The wall charger can be used to charge the power brick or the Move itself. However, I see it being used more for the former
USB-C PD 45W Power Brick
USB-C PD Wall Charger
I think that's exactly the issue. Sure, you can use them outside as any type of Sonos speaker. But how do you get the audio from the TV to the Sonos ecosystem? You'd have to have a line in to the TV's line out (either digital for the PLAYBAR, PLAYBASE, Beam, Sonos Amp or analog for the Port, PLAY:5).
Thats a bit of a bummer. I was hoping there would be a way. I’m only looking for stereo, don’t need 3.1 or 5.1, just something better than tv speakers.
Perhaps I am in the minority, but all I asked sonos for was a play one that could be out in the direct weather elements for around $200. The price of this is audiophile territory which turns me off.
This decision was made based on several factors. Largely, SonosNet was designed for players in a fixed configuration, always on, and continuously connected to a home network. It wasn't designed to handle players moving around the house. Introducing our first portable speaker meant adding new features and hardware for a flexible listening experience, including Bluetooth mode and suspend mode. In order to ensure a smooth experience for customers with these additional features, Move directly connects to the access point or WiFi network.
This is very disappointing for me, I was planning to use the Move in-house, and bring it to the garden when being outside. I have great SonosNet coverage in the garden, but no standard wifi.
I was also looking for an ethernet connection, preferable in the base. But looks like I was expecting a different kind of ‘all round’ Sonos speaker
So the Move doesn't use the Sonos mesh? I was going to buy one for the garden but WiFi is poorThat's correct. But Bluetooth would work great wherever you can't extend your WiFi to.
How does BT help if all local music is on a NAS and outside is insufficient wifi coverage?
This decision was made based on several factors. Largely, SonosNet was designed for players in a fixed configuration, always on, and continuously connected to a home network. It wasn't designed to handle players moving around the house. Introducing our first portable speaker meant adding new features and hardware for a flexible listening experience, including Bluetooth mode and suspend mode. In order to ensure a smooth experience for customers with these additional features, Move directly connects to the access point or WiFi network.This is very disappointing for me, I was planning to use the Move in-house, and bring it to the garden when being outside. I have great SonosNet coverage in the garden, but no standard wifi.
I was also looking for an ethernet connection, preferable in the base. But looks like I was expecting a different kind of ‘all round’ Sonos speaker
A good solution for Move and the rest of your wireless devices for that matter, would be to use a wireless extender to get WiFi out to the garden. While it's not a preferred recommendation, you could even have that extender wired into the closest Sonos device with an Ethernet port and you'd piggyback all traffic going through that extender through the SonosNet mesh (that's also why it's not preferred). Just be careful about how much traffic you expect to go through that link. The CONTROL (formerly CR200) is the only Sonos controller these days that's able to be on SonosNet, so you'd want to get your house WiFi out that way for that too.
I think that's exactly the issue. Sure, you can use them outside as any type of Sonos speaker. But how do you get the audio from the TV to the Sonos ecosystem? You'd have to have a line in to the TV's line out (either digital for the PLAYBAR, PLAYBASE, Beam, Sonos Amp or analog for the Port, PLAY:5).Thats a bit of a bummer. I was hoping there would be a way. I’m only looking for stereo, don’t need 3.1 or 5.1, just something better than tv speakers.
so no way to get this to work? Bummer as that's the reason I'd buy a move; to get better sound than an outdoor tv would provide as well as using it as a regular sonos network device. When I saw there was no audio in like the playbar has, I figured maybe some sort of wireless workaround might be possible, even if it means having to hook something to the tv or cable box itself, but appears not.
This decision was made based on several factors. Largely, SonosNet was designed for players in a fixed configuration, always on, and continuously connected to a home network. It wasn't designed to handle players moving around the house. Introducing our first portable speaker meant adding new features and hardware for a flexible listening experience, including Bluetooth mode and suspend mode. In order to ensure a smooth experience for customers with these additional features, Move directly connects to the access point or WiFi network.This is very disappointing for me, I was planning to use the Move in-house, and bring it to the garden when being outside. I have great SonosNet coverage in the garden, but no standard wifi.
A good solution for Move and the rest of your wireless devices for that matter, would be to use a wireless extender to get WiFi out to the garden. .........................The CONTROL (formerly CR200) is the only Sonos controller these days that's able to be on SonosNet, so you'd want to get your house WiFi out that way for that too.
Actually, a wifi extender is not a good solution in my opinion. Not another radio transmitter in my home. For me the main reason to stick to Sonos is it’s great SonosNet network. And yes, that’s why the CR200 in our home has still great use.
This is very disappointing for me, I was planning to use the Move in-house, and bring it to the garden when being outside. I have great SonosNet coverage in the garden, but no standard wifi.
@biggetjeindewei
Question: Are you indicating that your cell phone or no Wi-Fi enabled device works over Wi-Fi in your garden? If they do I'd imagine the Move would connect as well. Remember, Sonos offers a 45 day free return policy.
@biggetjeindewei
Question: Are you indicating that your cell phone or no Wi-Fi enabled device works over Wi-Fi in your garden? If they do I'd imagine the Move would connect as well. Remember, Sonos offers a 45 day free return policy.
Wifi connection outside is barely enough for the iPad. I can surf the web and use the Sonos app, but the connection will not support a continues music stream. For SonosNet no issue at all, plenty coverage even in the garden.
Maybe I will give the Move a try, but it’s a shame it does not support SonosNet. I was planning to use the Move also as a replacement of a Bridge somewhere in the house.
@biggetjeindewei
There are a lot of inexpensive Wi-Fi range extenders to choose from. The nice part is that they don't have to be permanently on. Once they are setup the internal memory maintains your settings even if you have to remove power for a period of time. Click
here to examples.
Cheers!
@biggetjeindewei
Question: Are you indicating that your cell phone or no Wi-Fi enabled device works over Wi-Fi in your garden? If they do I'd imagine the Move would connect as well. Remember, Sonos offers a 45 day free return policy.Wifi connection outside is barely enough for the iPad. I can surf the web and use the Sonos app, but the connection will not support a continues music stream. For SonosNet no issue at all, plenty coverage even in the garden.
Maybe I will give the Move a try, but it’s a shame it does not support SonosNet. I was planning to use the Move also as a replacement of a Bridge somewhere in the house.
If you can browse the internet, the Move may work fine on the wifi. Move has a very powerful wireless card and quite the impressive range. This is probably something you'll need to test at home to find out if it'll work on your wireless where you need it to, but hopefully you'll be impressed with the range. The reviews for Move are coming out today, and you'll see some like this
Sonos Move Techhive review saying it worked quite far from his router.
The Sonos Move Might Be the Best Bluetooth Speaker We've Ever Heard
https://www.gq.com/story/sonos-move-bluetooth-speaker
Was there an embargo on reviews, they all came out today at the same time!
General opinion seems to be it sounds great, not very portable, expensive, not what we hoped for.
Roll on the Move Mini ;)
To be honest I'll probably get one when they're discounted, about £300.
How about a version without Alexa and Google.
I don’t mind using my phone and the great Sonos app if it knocked the price down a bit.
If it didn't have the microphones for voice control, it wouldn't be able to use Automatic Trueplay tuning. Definitely a feature worth the price of the microphones if you ask me.
If the mics shut off while on Bluetooth, does this mean Trueplay is not functional while on Bluetooth? If that is the case,do the Trueplay settings stay with the last settings or go back to a default?
I have SONOS at my house and love it!!! So for on the go sound I use the UEBooms and MEGABooms. I love the fact that I can pair multiple speakers together so i can create a sound experience on the go as close to as if i were at home with the seamless room to room sound. Does anyone know if this is possiable with the NEW MOVE speaker when you are using it in Bluetooth mode? If not... This is something SONOS SHOULD DO!!! I love the way i can link my UE's. With the sound quality that SONOS has and to be able to link more that (1) MOVE together.. Just think about it!!!! Not only would i be sold on the MOVE speaker, but it would also sell more speakers!!! Just saying!!
