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  • January 21, 2020
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  • Lyricist III
  • January 21, 2020

I tried to call you to give you a piece of my mind but after 56 mins on hold you declined to take my call, probably a wise decision. I’d imagine the guys and girls have probably had enough abuse today.

 


  • Contributor I
  • January 21, 2020

I just got a notice from SONOS that 3 of the 5 components in my SONOS system are now legacy and won’t be supported, and suggests that I buy an updated product.  Right.  

Does SONOS actually believe that I would replace my system with the same company that just told me they are obsoleting basically my entire system?  They are out of their minds.  If VW just sent me a notice that they won’t support my car any more, do you think I would buy a new VW?  I’m not looking for a constantly updating high-tech miracle … and I know this is a stretch these days … but I just want to listen to my music.  

I will absolutely go out of my way to find some other way to listen to music other than the arrogant, constantly updating, constantly glitchy mess that is SONOS.  One customer lost.


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  • Local Superstar
  • January 21, 2020

In the mail I received Sonos proposes me to replace my old Connect as it will be going ‘out of service’ in May 2020. I can get the Port with a 30% discount. Seems reasonable. Question: if I ‘Trade UP’ my Connect for a Port, will that eliminate the 65,000 barrier?


jgatie
  • January 21, 2020

Can you clarify - I thought the trade up program DID NOT require you to swap one product for its one equivalent but allowed you to take 30% off any other available unit?

 

Correct.  You can recycle a CR100 and buy a pair of Play:5s or a full surround bundle, if you wish.


  • Lyricist III
  • January 21, 2020

Why dont you introduce a separate software upgrade for the older units so that we can enjoy the system with Spotify and the likes.

I dont want or need voice comands.  Just use the APP on my phone.

 


jgatie
  • January 21, 2020

That is not a reasonable option given their threat the newer products would eventually quit working w/o regular updates! And why in Hades are you defending them like this is no big deal???

 

 

Not defending anything, simply relating the facts.

 


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! I’d say Sonos is about to punish long time customers by remotely making gen 1 speakers obsolete. They’ll probably intend to make the Sonos controller app not compatible with old gen Play speakers. Sonos product development controlled by marketing; ie force the customer into new equipment. Unheard of and  Absolutely unacceptable! Was thinking about purchasing the AMP, but now on hold. Rethinking my options. Sonos should seriously consider rewriting it’s Customer  Relationship management policies.


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  • Enthusiast I
  • January 21, 2020

Go to Amazon, Google and Newegg to post reviews … SONOS cannot delete those.


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  • Lyricist III
  • January 21, 2020

Chief Product Officer sells 1/3 of shares in Sonos in early January. 
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/techknowbits.com/2020/01/21/insider-selling-sonos-inc-nasdaqsono-insider-sells-36453-shares-of-stock-updated-updated.html/amp

That surely has to be insider trading and illegal? Wise move tho! They will most likely wish they sold the other 2/3!


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  • Virtuoso
  • January 21, 2020

In the mail I received Sonos proposes me to replace my old Connect as it will be going ‘out of service’ in May 2020. I can get the Port with a 30% discount. Seems reasonable. Question: if I ‘Trade UP’ my Connect for a Port, will that eliminate the 65,000 barrier?

No. At least not at the time of writing.


  • Lyricist I
  • January 21, 2020

Sonos I’m done with you! I’ve spent thousands of pounds buying products around my home and now half of them won’t work in May! 30% reduction is comical. If? Any of my products stop working any time soon I’d rather smash them up outside one of your showroom than buy another. Last straw chaps. We’re the long term clients who made you a success. Adios.


  • January 21, 2020

Just venting like everyone else.

Well, I figured this day would happen. I guess it’s on to something else. I have no interest in trading in a Play 5 that I bought just a few years ago for 30% off a new one and my old one is rendered useless thanks to their non eco friendly policy. Plus, I have zero use for any Smart Assistant and all their new speakers have them (yeah, you can turn them off but I imagine someday they will turn on magically in some update). 

Great sound over the years but the software went to crap a few years ago. But it still sucks as we really do love the product and the convenience. 

 

 

 


  • January 21, 2020

I guess like a lot of people I have a mixture of old and new Sonos hardware.   Only the items that I want to use at any one time are powered up to save electricity.   I’m perfectly OK with the functionality I currently have and I’m not that bothered if I can’t add the latest bells and whistles.   However Sonos must prevent the scenario where only new hardware happens to be powered up, latest software updates then get installed automatically on the new hardware and this then prevents the older hardware working in the system when it is next powered up.

@Ryan S I have said just this twice already and this is important, so I am at it again!


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  • Avid Contributor I
  • January 21, 2020

Chief Product Officer sells 1/3 of shares in Sonos in early January. 
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/techknowbits.com/2020/01/21/insider-selling-sonos-inc-nasdaqsono-insider-sells-36453-shares-of-stock-updated-updated.html/amp

Ya, a lot more folks will sell now too given this situation and the Google lawsuit...


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  • Renowned Enthusiast I
  • January 21, 2020

I was thinking about buying new 5s and maybe a sound bar. 

Not a cat in hell's chance now. 

Imo Probably a good idea to hold off on devices that came out a while ago (gen2 play5 , 5 years old, playbar 2013 I think) at least for now. Maybe it will be less risky as information on this change becomes clearer.


  • Lyricist I
  • January 21, 2020

Very disappointed in the announcement from Sonos this morning. Sonos charges a premium for their products. I made a huge personal investment in this technology at the time I deployed this solution in my home with a bridge connect:amp, an amp, and three portable base players. To say all of them are going to be useless over time. To say I want you to make another huge investment to take something that works fine and replace it because Sonos didn’t plan properly originally with headroom or they program inefficiently so the need more memory is not acceptable. I will use this as long as it lasts and pursue less proprietary alternatives going forward. It’s unfortunate that Sonos took a I hold you hostage approach to keep their company funded. 


  • Lyricist I
  • January 21, 2020

Big mistake. HUGE!


  • Lyricist I
  • January 21, 2020

Very unhappy with this annoucement too. Some of the items I own, which have to be upgraded, are only 5 to 6 years old and are in perfect condition. I have had Cabasse speakers in the past which have lasted more than 20 years. Sonos should commit to support devices for at least 10 years after they are removed from shops. I will certainly rethink my Sonos System in the future, possibly with more amps and wired speakers.


  • Lyricist I
  • January 21, 2020

I spent $2,400 on a Sonos system in 2015 including 3 top of the line Play 5 (Gen 1)s, a Sub, a Play 1 and Play 3.  The Gen 2 was introduced later that year.  5 years later your telling me half my system worth originally $1,500 is obsolete.  Oh and you discontinued the Play 3 (your oldest product I believe) in 2018 but it is still supported?  Why would I ever trust in another Sonos product when they de-support a customer after 5 years.  Why spend that kind of money with a company that has such disregard for their customer investment and builds products that are so quickly obsolete with no clear vision of when future changes will render them useless?

 


  • January 21, 2020

There should 10000% be a legacy mode to utilize the quality sound equipment with limited features, perhaps separate from the new stuff. 

There is.  The features being limited to those it had when you bought the products plus those added up to May 2020.

Not that the legacy option is one I would recommend.


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  • Local Superstar
  • January 21, 2020

In the mail I received Sonos proposes me to replace my old Connect as it will be going ‘out of service’ in May 2020. I can get the Port with a 30% discount. Seems reasonable. Question: if I ‘Trade UP’ my Connect for a Port, will that eliminate the 65,000 barrier?

No. At least not at the time of writing.

Can I get a confirmation from a Sonos employee, please?


  • Lyricist I
  • January 21, 2020

This is an outrage! What a disgrace the executive leadership of this company must be to screw a loyal customer base this way! I have invested over $10,000 in your products due to my appreciation for their quality - knowing they were built to last. Now your money grab attempt will make my investment worthless. I have been the biggest proponent in my social network of your products - pushing SONOS on dozens of people over the years - I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER SONOS PRODUCT AGAIN!


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  • Avid Contributor I
  • January 21, 2020

That is not a reasonable option given their threat the newer products would eventually quit working w/o regular updates! And why in Hades are you defending them like this is no big deal???

 

 

Not defending anything, simply relating the facts.

 

Why don’t you let Sonos relate the “facts” and show some outrage too, or is this all fine with you?


  • Lyricist I
  • January 21, 2020

This is all about ‘churn the base’, that is push customers to renew hardware to generate revenue.  I seriously question the memory compute limit story put forward.  

If I add just one newer unit to my network, that has the capability to run current software complete.  All the other nodes need to do is play a stream.  Hell, what about distributing compute across the devices? They are already in a mesh network of their own.

I do not doubt there’s a support overhead in maintaining compatibility with older units, but that should be a testing overhead.  However we’re talking a handful of devices, not tens or hundreds.  So that’s not going to wash either.

For my network, the ‘upgrade’ bill after discount would be $2,725.  For what exactly?  In terms of utility, what do I get for that?  Today, nothing at all.  Tomorrow? Maybe some new service.  It would have to be a hell of compelling service to worth almost three grand!  

Here’s the thing, I bought a lot of my Sonos way before Spotify etc. was a thing.  I bought it because it did what I wanted back then. It still does what I want.  I am totally OK with being frozen in time, BUT…

How can I be assured a future iOS app update won’t brick my older units, or since all units remain on ‘old’ firmware, the entire system?  Given the hardware controllers are no longer a thing, how Sonos, how?

Perhaps it’s time for some to reverse engineer the controller app, make that available in the community, and then we can use our firewalls to block our Sonos gear from Sonos.

I just dumped my online shopping basket, I was about to buy more Sonos equipment. Not any more.


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You are absolutely right! I’d say Sonos is about to punish long time customers by remotely making gen 1 speakers obsolete. They’ll probably intend to make the Sonos controller app not compatible with old gen Play speakers. Sonos product development controlled by marketing; ie force the customer into new equipment. Unheard of and  Absolutely unacceptable! Was thinking about purchasing the AMP, but now on hold. Rethinking my options. Sonos should seriously consider rewriting it’s Customer  Relationship management policies.