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Sonos 11.1 Brings Sonos Radio

Sonos 11.1 Brings Sonos Radio

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What does everyone think about Sonos Radio in this Sonos Radio thread?

Not much given that it doesn’t work with the cr200 - and I avoid ad-based stations like the - err - plague.

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So, where is it?

My apps are on 11.1 and I’m looking at the Browse screen but nothing new. If I try to add a service. no option. If I use Tunein I get a popup telling me how great Sonos Radio is.

In this world of simplicity, why does Sonos continue to buck the trend and swim against the current?

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Any chance your players haven’t updated yet? Check in the Sonos app under Settings > System > System Updates that everything is up to date first.

On demand would be an excellent addition - ie BBC Sounds.  Tune-in is not good at this eg BBC Sounds has around 20 previous episeodes of Gideon Coe’s programme on BBC 6 Music whereas Tune-in only has the 4 most recent.  Also, on Tune-in unlike BBC Sounds, if you listen to half of a programme, listen to something else, and then return Tune-in plays the programme from the beginning, it doen’t remember when you left the programme.

Please strike Radio Hour and other artist interviews from Sonos raison channel “Sound System.”   When I tune to this channel, I want to hear music — not talk, etc.  If Sonos finds that artist interviews appeal to listeners, perhaps you could separate Sound System into a “Sonos Artists Showcase” and an exclusively-music channel?  ...and please don’t bring in a Thom Yorke session, when you already have a completely-Thom Yorke channel.  If we want to hear Thom or other content that Sonos offers on exclusive channels, we can tune to those channels.

im already playing Sonos Radio more often than Spotify.  Provide enough varied content, and add download capability for offline listening and many of us may opt to pay for a Sonos subscription service. 

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I have tried the Sonos Radio and like it, Im in the NYC area and have my stations listed and playing great, my wife listens to a lot of Gospel music and she is happy with it so Im happy! lol

Stations are not a radio station. Similar concept, but no. I happen to frequently listen to a radio program on the web called Thistle & Shamrock. Because it’s a radio program, and not a playlist or podcast, I can’t skip music that is played. I have to listen to the entire program. Since I happen to record it for consumption at a later time, I’m able to fast forward and rewind, but if when it’s playing on the radio station I use, it’s directly linear. 

I get, and support what you want, but it adds a significant level of complexity to what ‘radio’ is. Is it possible? Sure. Just not likely. 

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Re: Programme info on BBC Radio streams

Have just updated my system and have noticed that unlike the BBC Radio 2 stream on ‘Radio by TuneIn’, there is no ‘On Now’ programme info on ‘Sonos Radio’, so for now, I’m sticking with TuneIn as this seams like a backwards step for BBC Radio streams.

Edit - as I can switch between the higher quality AAC stream and the Sonos Radio 128k stream it’s possible to compare quality as well.  Definitely can hear that Sonos Radio stream not as full or good, however it is quite a few seconds ahead of the same TuneIn stream (never realised the delay via TuneIn was so large, so it does have an advantage).


Oh this does sound like a backwards step, I was hoping BBC stations might be a better stream. Hopefully at least Sonos inserting themselves into the implementation might give some additional options down the line and hopefully guarantee support in the S1 legacy app. 

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Hi. In anticipation of the future legacy/modern split, I disabled updates on my system as an experiment. I now find that while my hardware hasn’t updated the app on my phone has automatically updated and I am no longer able to control my Sonos hardware.

Can you confirm that this situation will NOT occur once the last legacy release is made available, please?

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Stations are not a radio station. Similar concept, but no. I happen to frequently listen to a radio program on the web called Thistle & Shamrock. Because it’s a radio program, and not a playlist or podcast, I can’t skip music that is played. I have to listen to the entire program. Since I happen to record it for consumption at a later time, I’m able to fast forward and rewind, but if when it’s playing on the radio station I use, it’s directly linear. 

I get, and support what you want, but it adds a significant level of complexity to what ‘radio’ is. Is it possible? Sure. Just not likely. 


I guess we’ll have to disagree on this.  It seems to me that the SONOS radio stations are closer to a playlist than an over the air broadcast.  Would be interesting to run the experiment of two of us playing the same station and finding out whether we are served the same tracks at the same time.  Since play only ever begins at the beginning of a song for me, we wouldn’t be exactly in sync.

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Did 11.1 mess with the 3rd party Sub controls with the Amp?  I got one right when they came out. At some point (6 months after release?) I had to adjust my sub settings louder in the Sonos app because the sub stopped auto sensing input. Tonight I started playing some music on the Amp for the first time since 11.1 and the sub was WAY too loud. I had to turn them down significantly. The release notes don’t say anything...

Yes, there are several threads in which Ryan S. has posted that it has been adjusted.

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In the v11.1 SONOS APP I removed under preferences, services, the SONOS Radio service account. The SONOS Radio icon has disappeared on my SONOS APP, so I believe this is a way to opt out.

What OS are you using?

In both Windows and Android, I do not have ‘preferences,’ only ‘settings,’ and there, under ‘services’ (Windows) or ‘Services & Voice’ (Android) the SONOS radio is not listed. I have not yet agreed to open a SONOS radio account, but I still get the button in my app (on both Windows and Android)

 

What version of the Sonos controller are you using?

Settings > Services & Voice 

Listed below Music & Content should be Sonos Radio, if both the controller and the speakers are on version 11.1. When you click on Sonos Radio, you should have a ‘remove account’.

Given that you seem to have the display without having authorized the account, I’m guessing a software issue of some type. I’d recommend either adding/authorizing the Sonos Radio account, and then you can likely remove it, or potentially just deleting the Sonos app, and downloading a fresh copy, where you ‘connect to existing system’. My bet would be that the former solution has a better chance of correcting your issue than the latter.

 

And the reason I suspect the former is that it may have been a marketing decision to show the option, even if it isn’t initially authorized. I suspect authorizing, then deauthorize will remove the shown option. 

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Settings > Services & Voice 

Listed below Music & Content should be Sonos Radio, if both the controller and the speakers are on version 11.1. When you click on Sonos Radio, you should have a ‘remove account’.

 

Strangely enough, you first have to authorise Sonos Radio before the ‘remove account’ option appears.

However, ‘remove account’ does not remove Sonos Radio under Browse. Pretty annoying.

Have you tried deleting the app, then downloading a fresh copy, as I suggested?

Conversely, you might submit a system diagnostic, and contact Sonos Support to discuss it. I would expect that they would appreciate some hard data to look at in order to resolve this issue. 

I usually suggest the phone folks, they have more tools available, and are available Monday through Friday during business hours. Twitter support folks are available 24/7.

There may be information included in the diagnostic that will help Sonos pinpoint the issue and help you find a solution.  

I would expect for something like that to happen, you’d either get advertising in between pieces, or need to pay a subscription. I’m certain there are certain costs involved in presenting the content, right now it would, I expect, showing as a marketing cost. 

When are Sonos Stations and Sonos Presents being available in Poland?

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I’m slightly confused: every Wednesday there’s a curated hour on Sound System. What times are they on? It was just starting when I turned on, but I didn’t look at the time, does it play the first time you tune in, or is it scheduled?

As for the programme itself I enjoyed it. I won’t pretend to know who JPEGMAFIA is, but a nice eclectic playlist at the end. I hope there’s going to be some more regular content. 

A criticism I’d have for the Genre Stations is, if you live in the U.K. you will find stations like Indie Gold and Punk Riot very American centric. Sadly to my ears most of Punk Riot is unlistenable.  

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I would expect for something like that to happen, you’d either get advertising in between pieces, or need to pay a subscription. I’m certain there are certain costs involved in presenting the content, right now it would, I expect, showing as a marketing cost. 

I’d guess that advertising will appear to pay the music royalties, but I assume that Sonos Radio is designed to sell more units and keep customers in the echo system. This would make a subscription unlikely, although a small monthly fee to remove ads could, I suppose, be an option but I’d think uptake would be low as why not pay for a streaming service?

I think Sonos Radio is a great idea but it’s still missing a few features. I appreciate it may not be feasible to show a playlist so you know all the songs coming up on a particular station but it would be good to see the next song at least.

Also can you add the length of each track so it displays while the song is playing?

 

I’d guess that advertising will appear to pay the music royalties, but I assume that Sonos Radio is designed to sell more units and keep customers in the echo system. This would make a subscription unlikely, although a small monthly fee to remove ads could, I suppose, be an option but I’d think uptake would be low as why not pay for a streaming service?

 

I can see the ‘sell more units’ angle.  For new customers who don’t have a streaming service (do those still exist?), it’s a free service that you get without effort.  For existing customers, perhaps they get hooked on Sonos radio, and decide to replace other speakers in their home with Sonos just to get Sonos radio.  Maybe?

As far as next steps if I’m Sonos, I would take a wait and see attitude.   They need to get the usage data established in order to get more advertisers and higher rates.  Then perhaps do some customer survey’s to get an idea if people would be willing to pay to avoid commercials...and how that effects ad revenue.  What features do they need to have in order to get paid subscriptions?

I do agree that selling speakers and having music services allows a certain amount of leverage, something Amazon and Google definitely do.  How far Sonos goes with that, not sure even Sonos knows.

 

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Hi, Sonos Radio is good, however, what about the searching of stations? It doesn’t work well. When I wanna search for station (Czech station, eg Rádio BLANÍK), it doesn’t find (sometimes) what I’ve been searching for. However on the Sonos Website, it find’s the station ok. The station is not even when I browse the stations by region...

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Stations are not a radio station.


I guess we’ll have to disagree on this.  It seems to me that the SONOS radio stations are closer to a playlist than an over the air broadcast. 


My brief use of Sonos Radio suggests you’re both correct…

That is, there are some genuine “live playing” radio stations (I was just listening to BBC Radio 6 Music, and it was their live broadcast) and some pre-recorded “on demand” programmes.

For the latter, such as Sonos own curated-by type shows, it would be nice to see an indication of how far into/ how long the programme is, and see track information as it plays.

I started listening to one, but had to pause it to take care of something. When I came back to it, I couldn’t pick up where I left off, and with no ability to skip what I had already listened to.. well.. I’ll never hear the end of that show.

Will there ever be an option to get rid of the advertisements in between songs?

Lack of advertisement (and annoying radio hosts) is single most important reason why i have switched from traditional radio channels to paid online music streaming. I generally like the idea of Sonos curated radio stations. But please give us the option to somehow opt-out of the ad interruption. 🙏 Maybe finance the channels in a different way or offer an affordable subscription.

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