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Introducing Sonos Move, Brilliant Sound Anywhere

Introducing Sonos Move, Brilliant Sound Anywhere

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Sound quality wise where does the move sit? Is it on a par with the one or better? Almost as good as a play5?
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When the Move is off the charging base can the speaker still operate in WiFi mode?

For example, if you were outside the house with WiFi coverage but wanted the speaker to use the battery for power.

I wasn’t sure if the speaker reverts to Bluetooth as soon as it is taken off the charger.

Thanks
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This decision was made based on several factors. Largely, SonosNet was designed for players in a fixed configuration, always on, and continuously connected to a home network.

Thanks, makes sense, I might try it out, was planning on a ubiquity outdoor AP anyway.

Re size/weight, not sure on the portability for taking on holiday, re plane. Would probably have to forgo a couple of days clothes to fit it in 🤣
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I always thought one reason not to have had a portable speaker was the effect of moving it about could have on the matrix etc.
It obviously took a long time to develop the Move and I had assumed this hurdle had been overcome (quicker 'live' re-config etc) and I'm sure this was tried but not stable enough.
I still think it's a big thing and that many users/regulars here had absolutely assumed it would operate the same as other speakers except when in Bluetooth mode.
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Not using SonosNet makes it a non starter for me. I bought a Play 1 that I keep in a cupboard at home and get out when having a BBQ. Again way too expensive - tons of decent bluetooth portable speakers available around £200.

Amazing how Sonos seem so out of touch with their customer base regarding not having SonosNet.
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Amazing how Sonos seem so out of touch with their customer base regarding not having SonosNet.


Reading Ryan's note it does sound like there were stability issues. If it was that easy, I'd like to think they'd incorporate it.

I think using a WiFi extender will sort the issue for me (it's all about me!)

Anyway, I was sold at "Shadow black" 🙂
That's a strange looking Atmos playbar
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Has there been any mention of delay when using Bluetooth?

Could I connect the Move to my iPad, via Bluetooth, then use it to play the audio of videos and games with no lag?
That's a strange looking Atmos playbar

Why, did Sonos state they are making an Atmos Playbar, or are you imagining things?
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Has there been any mention of delay when using Bluetooth?

Could I connect the Move to my iPad, via Bluetooth, then use it to play the audio of videos and games with no lag?



Good question. I feel pretty comfortable saying yes, as that would be a serious drawback, but Sonos should confirm that.
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This decision was made based on several factors. Largely, SonosNet was designed for players in a fixed configuration, always on, and continuously connected to a home network.Thanks, makes sense, I might try it out, was planning on a ubiquity outdoor AP anyway.

Re size/weight, not sure on the portability for taking on holiday, re plane. Would probably have to forgo a couple of days clothes to fit it in 🤣


Yea, 6 lbs isn't an afterthought. I believe the weight limit is 50 lbs for most bags these days before you start paying extra? (I haven't flown in a while). That's 12% of the weight allowance.
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Sound quality wise where does the move sit? Is it on a par with the one or better? Almost as good as a play5?

What I've read around the net makes me think it will be atleast as good as the Sonos One or better. But it is going to be different since it's designed to sound better in an outdoor environment. I can't imagine it will sound as good as the play:5, given it's price.

When the Move is off the charging base can the speaker still operate in WiFi mode?

For example, if you were outside the house with WiFi coverage but wanted the speaker to use the battery for power.

I wasn’t sure if the speaker reverts to Bluetooth as soon as it is taken off the charger.

Thanks


This is actually one of the more advertised use cases, and one of the primary reasons it connects to wifi and not sonosnet. So yes, most definitely.
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So when can we expect the Sonos Move Mini to be released 😝
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So when can we expect the Sonos Move Mini to be released 😝

I did read in one of the news articles that this is only the first Sonos product to use bluetooth. I don't know that there will be a mini, but that seems like a good guess.
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Sound quality wise where does the move sit? Is it on a par with the one or better? Almost as good as a play5?What I've read around the net makes me think it will be atleast as good as the Sonos One or better. But it is going to be different since it's designed to sound better in an outdoor environment. I can't imagine it will sound as good as the play:5, given it's price.


In my opinion, it has deeper bass, wider range, and a much wider sound stage than the Sonos One. It gets louder, sounds better, and also is able to automatically tune itself using Trueplay while playing music. It doesn't have the same sound as a Play:5, but it definitely fits in the middle between the two.

In a way, this is a spiritual successor to the Play:3, aside from having Bluetooth, a battery, microphones, and only two amplifiers

When the Move is off the charging base can the speaker still operate in WiFi mode?

For example, if you were outside the house with WiFi coverage but wanted the speaker to use the battery for power.

I wasn’t sure if the speaker reverts to Bluetooth as soon as it is taken off the charger.

Thanks
This is actually one of the more advertised use cases, and one of the primary reasons it connects to wifi and not sonosnet. So yes, most definitely.


There's a button on the back of the unit that turns on the Bluetooth mode. Until that's pressed and held for a few seconds, the unit will operate as a wireless Sonos speaker. Removing it from the charging base won't change the mode its in, or what's playing.



Has there been any mention of delay when using Bluetooth?

Could I connect the Move to my iPad, via Bluetooth, then use it to play the audio of videos and games with no lag?
Good question. I feel pretty comfortable saying yes, as that would be a serious drawback, but Sonos should confirm that.

I'm happy to confirm that the Bluetooth doesn't have any noticeable latency. Playing the audio off of a phone/iPad to Move is one of the main purposes of the Bluetooth in the first place. It should work great.
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Ordered mine today!!! Of you know I’ll give you my unbiased opinion after putting it through my tests. Just want to keep @Ryan S honest! 😁
Sounds like a great addition to the Sonos lineup.

One question regarding bluetooth: Will the Move auto switch when Bluetooth audio starts playing or do i need to go and press the wifi/BT button to switch it over to BT Audio? Thanks!
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Sounds like a great addition to the Sonos lineup.

One question regarding bluetooth: Will the Move auto switch when Bluetooth audio starts playing or do i need to go and press the wifi/BT button to switch it over to BT Audio? Thanks!



I don’t think so. I would hope not. If that is the case someone who has already paired via BT with the Move could knock you off if you were listening to music over WiFi. If that is the case then I hope Sonos will address it as a counter intuitive feature IMO.
In Ryan’s opening post I see that the new 'Move' speaker is rated at IP56 ...I found this chart (attached), which quickly shows what that means.
I always thought one reason not to have had a portable speaker was the effect of moving it about could have on the matrix etc.
It obviously took a long time to develop the Move and I had assumed this hurdle had been overcome (quicker 'live' re-config etc) and I'm sure this was tried but not stable enough.


Easily said, but not so easily done.

The problem here is that the Sonos mesh isn't entirely isolated. It has to operate in conjunction with a wide variety of third-party networking kit including consumer-grade routers and switches. It, therefore, has to conform to the standards that this equipment uses. Specifically, it has to conform to standard loop-avoidance protocols, specifically, Spanning Tree Protocol (STP) and its variants.

This is impossible to avoid unless Sonos were to manufacture their own range of proprietary consumer routers and switches that didn't work with third-party network equipment, and then require that customers only use their kit. That's clearly a nonsensical idea.

So we (and Sonos) are stuck with having to support STP. This has practical consequences.

STP works by the switches, routers and (in this case) Sonos devices communicating between themselves to detect loops and to shut down duplicate paths through the that would result in a loop. If a loop does occur in a network it will cause a "broadcast storm" which will render the network unusable.

In particular, when a device joins or leaves the Sonosnet mesh, this will usually cause some or all of the network topology to be re-assessed and re-computed. This can take several minutes on a network with several switches and/or Sonos devices.

And, as I said, it's pretty much impossible to avoid this without building a proprietary loop detection and avoidance protocol which is incompatible with third-party equipment.

So if Move did work with the Sonosnet Mesh, or at least if it worked as a node within the mesh, then every time you moved it any significant distance it would likely stop your whole network from working for a significant amount of time whilst the STP topology was rebuilt.

Cheers,

Keith
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@Majik Is there a reason they couldn't have gone like the Android devices with the controller used to have and just allow it to connect to Sonos net without extending it?
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Our Sonos System runs via a sonos Bridge not WiFi - Will these speakers still work OK

We have WiFi outside
Move will connect to your house Wifi, not the Bridge's, but it'll sync with your system while on the network without issues. Also, you may want to try out your whole system on the house wireless, the Bridge is getting pretty old and modern routers will have better wireless performance. You may not notice any issues, but it certainly might be worth testing things out.

We tried that and failed
we have 5.1 (sub play bar and 2 play 3 in the bedroom)

look forward to trying a Couple of These
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This is bigger and more expensive than expected but still very tempted.

In terms of value this one speaker could cover most places I don’t have Sonos - it can sit in my study providing a google assistant and music there, can be moved into a spare room or into the bathroom in the rare occasions I need music there, in the latter case offering a much cheaper solution than the Amp/ceiling speakers I was struggling to justify. AND it can head out into the garden or be taken on trips (though likely only if I’m driving somewhere).

Although it does mean if I upgrade any other units I’m no longer really going to need the deploy the old kit.
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What countries will the Move be supported in for Google and Alexa?

Will it work in Colombia?
What countries will the Move be supported in for Google and Alexa?

Will it work in Colombia?

Amazon Alexa is currently available in the United States, Australia, Austria, Canada, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Mexico, New Zealand, Spain, and the United Kingdom.


The Google Assistant countries are shown here:

https://support.sonos.com/s/article/3491

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